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a111: Logged on 2018-06-28 05:05 mircea_popescu: "A brief page with a few annotations about the Girl Genius web comic, for which a link banner appears to the right, is now on this site." holy shit that's terriblty drawn

spyked: and in log reviews: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-28#1830519 <-- I used to read that some years ago. the references to greek mythology aren't too terrible -- for a comic. otherwise same 'ol steampunk medieval romanticization. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 23:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831298 << unless you have particular preferences, i'm going to throw it into the same patchset as ircbot. it'll follow the grand ircbot tradition of a genesis that never the less relies on the adjacent patches

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832410 <-- ty phf! yeah, that works. though eventually it will be reground into a single tree, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818999 ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, retard's got a personal website, too. "Watch Limeade a comedic homage to Beyonce’s “Lemonade,”. Heartbreak turns into laughter in this comedy visual music album."

mircea_popescu: also, .ovh is a tld now.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in truly obscure niche news nobody could possibly give a shit about, http://www.laughspin.com/

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831298 << unless you have particular preferences, i'm going to throw it into the same patchset as ircbot. it'll follow the grand ircbot tradition of a genesis that never the less relies on the adjacent patches ☝︎☟︎

phf: considering the slow adoption of the keccak approach and also a large number of existing sha512 patches, i'm planning on doing a regrind where i merge the keccak and the sha branches together, so that vpatch/vdiff can produce both hashes on a switch, until further notice. ☟︎

phf: ty, i'll take a look anyway

phf: ah yes, i thought there was something else. does his vtron use keccak by the way, or it's still a shasum -a 512 call out?

trinque: yep, dood has a vtron

BingoBoingo: Brb still shopping for at least a frigate

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832296 << curious what this was about. ... open ssh pipes ? i've yet to see this wonder. dollars to doughnuts it's a shituntu etc box with acpi sleep . ☝︎

mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: including building in a large crane, that couldn't be extracred any longer

asciilifeform: ice40 + a coupla MB of sram -- and you can (not very quickly, but) crypto.

trinque: maybe PeterL or danielpbarron want to give it a try too ☟︎

ave1: mircea_popescu, dlopen part is from the gnu libc, the init code (even for the static code) in gnu libs depends on functions from the dlopen.o. I think that then causes the whole dlopen.o to be included. I never could get the definite mapping (ld allows you to create a map but it was not helpful)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to bake a e.g. iron trbi, or the like, you'd need to init and talk to the sata card, this is not given in the example ( but not particularly difficult )

asciilifeform: rom.ld is the linker memorymap magic, also educational, produces a bootable kernel.

mircea_popescu: a minimal os + custom built fs (doubling as bitcoin specific db ; possibly written as raid firmware at least in part) + proper net driver (i really don't need iptables ad-hoc scripting lang to do what evidently and universally bitcoin node has to do) + grandfather pistols bitcoin code => an actual definitive package.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 18:02 asciilifeform: trinque: is your item packaged roughly similarly to my rockchip thing ? (i.e. a tarball that i can unpack onto an empty ext4 , and jump into ) ?

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831980 << no, it's a script that'll build the system from scratch, using a snapshot of external deps ☝︎

mircea_popescu: ^ worth a check btw.

asciilifeform: there is a x86-64 pagetable unit, and uart init. some of the routines are in c, but quite simple to translate. there is a heathen printf, can tear it out, or use for hexdumps etc.

asciilifeform: 'make emu' builds variant that runs in qemu and (if you have x86-64 qemu) boots it. 'make sage' ditto but boots on a cold sage ( see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 & elsewhere ) . 'make sage-warm' boots on a warm sage. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 14:17 ave1: thx! now if anyone can be bother to design a board with multiple ice40

a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 14:13 asciilifeform: ( and possibly can roll in not only mips, but e.g. a custom instruction for bounds checking )

mircea_popescu: And after spending his earnings foolishly he beats his wife -- the man that promised to protect her during life -- and so the man would if there was no drink in society, for seldom a man beats his wife in a state of sobriety.

mircea_popescu: who the fuck even ships a "screensaver", what is this, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831830 future ?! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i don't understand how they propose anyone use those things. "here's a pile of very important features that you must turn off one by one in order to get the box bacl"

mircea_popescu: thinking about this, it's fucking evident what difference the online made for the thinking mind. yes i was a child, but child or no child, it didn't occur to me that i must have a gns link to the item that i like. "this" and pointing was an acceptable manner of reference in the 90s, because why the hell wouldn't it be and what's a global namespace anyway.

mircea_popescu: this "iron-gnat", i'm not even sure it's clear what a cool system it could make.

asciilifeform: funnily enuff asciilifeform posted the necessary asm a while back, but grrr can't find in log yet

mircea_popescu: and not even a long finger, he just doesn't comfortably asm is all.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a finger's length of asm away from iron gnat.

mircea_popescu: i like his approach, ftr. tempered ingenuity, wiggle things one at a time towards the greater goal.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 13:43 ave1: Also, I just checked, it is fine to put the start.o in the libgnat.a so next step may well be that the makefile can be removed again.

mircea_popescu: hey, colonial empires. england's all injuns and france's all africans for a coupla centuries now.

Bigtexasbingo: Nigger all stars versus a country trying to be a nation

asciilifeform: ( ice40 is about a dozen times larger )

asciilifeform: ( illustrates a (write-only) serial uart, for instance )

ave1: I see, I'll have to learn verilog, I did not know you could implement a processor with so little code

ave1: thx! now if anyone can be bother to design a board with multiple ice40 ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and possibly can roll in not only mips, but e.g. a custom instruction for bounds checking ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: i took a shot at building one back in 2016, but ran into a buncha gnarl, which ave1 at this point seems to have mostly resolved

asciilifeform: asciilifeform in particular would like a gnat for mips, given as the latter actually fits in an ice40

ave1: now there was something with asserts, but I'll have to dig this up again and do a few experiments

ave1: the examples have two binaries, one simple hw the other triggers a constaint error

ave1: asciilifeform, yes that was my first reaction too. It does does something with word copying though and also individual files can be build without any of the extra gnat checks. So maybe the ada versions can be stand-ins so long as a native asm based version has not been written.

asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. 1 nitpick, however: generally you don't want memcpy and memmove to be in anything but asm -- otherwise whole proggy is abominably slow ( ada proggy spends quite a bit of time clearing buffers and passing fairly large chunks of data by value )

ave1: Also, I just checked, it is fine to put the start.o in the libgnat.a so next step may well be that the makefile can be removed again. ☟︎

ave1: it maybe possible to creat a stand-alone object file as target but I haven't found that option yet (so far I worked with libraries and executables).

diana_coman: hmm, but you can in any case just write a .gpr that builds the object files for precisely the files you want, no/

ave1: at least that's my understanding so far (crt1.o etc are also not part of libc.a). But maybe it is fine to put in, I haven't tried it yet.

ave1: the startup.S file, it needs to end up as a separate object file and not part of libgnat.a

mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want anyone to be able to make a gui without importing rust-whatever ?

mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is a character you apparently ~can no longer paste~.

asciilifeform: in other definitely-not-noose, turns out chechen has ( sorta like the turkic langs ) an astonishing proliferation of tenses ( e.g. you cannot say 'last night epony was impaled on scimitar', gotta specify a tense that depends on e.g. whether you personally witnessed said edifying act, and whether impaled repeatedly or merely 1 thrust, or... )

mircea_popescu: the issue of textual->pictographic representation is a lot wider and deeper than what the imbeciles rephrased it as, and proceeded to "solve" in their usual fucktarded manbners.

asciilifeform: 1 of the things asciilifeform would luvvv to see reimplemented in a nearfyootoor sane scripting lisp

a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 13:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831734 << launches today ! ( making a few edits atm )

epony: now can you answer a question

a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 22:12 mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula. << My eyebrows have been getting an incredible amount of exercise here

asciilifeform: asciilifeform has this recurrent real-life nightmare erry time he has to replace a piece of ancestral tech. most recently, i shit thee not, a pillow

mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and yes definitely from "back home", bought it in romania, was unable to replace because spanish speakers are idiots to a man, for the reason that their stupid mothers spoke a stupid language to them.

mircea_popescu: and SAME fucking thing with bath robes. you have your choice of a) plastic, imported from miami or b) chinese notion of fluffed cotton, looks like insane asylum ware, WITH SHORT SLEEVES

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You gotta look for the girls that grew up in places where "4H" is a thing

mircea_popescu: yes it's fundamentally stupid ; but superficially sane. and in a world that's fucking stupid throughout, the "i don't give a shit what they started with, they have x y z working processes" is quite tempting.

a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 23:41 asciilifeform: generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.

mircea_popescu: can find a bunch of "i can't believe it's not butter"s, but...

asciilifeform: re gui-ism, naggum had a pretty good discussion re the resulting psychopatholigies, i cannot possibly top it

mircea_popescu: what the "gay community" got out of the mess is that it's actually even MORE difficult for gay man to find a partner today than it was in 1980.

asciilifeform: ( who do not actually get lifted to wherever level, but instead grow a set of unreasonable expectations and rage moar than before )

mircea_popescu: it'd have been a fuckhell of a lot better to NOT liberalize it, and for the effort we'd still have a bunch of sad faggots crying in the corner, AND ALSO a natural and universally confirmed expectation 20something housewife-to-be can work webirc by herself on first encounter.

mircea_popescu: but what we got for the "diverse, inclusive internet" is the move from the "sov schooling & father's army belt" 1980s where ~all kids understood most basic things naturally~ through a period of "confusion" and into this situation of smartphone and food delivery, where ~all kids understand nothing useful~.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:40 asciilifeform: gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump )

a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?

mircea_popescu: somehow this never figures in the blather (also called "conversation" in-universe) : that the COST for "being inclusive to left handed people" is that a) all tools now must come with manual indicating whether left or right handed item and b) it's ambiguous, when going for a tool, which hand to go with.

mircea_popescu: "things that crawled out of their mother's cunt, stuck around long enough to grow a cunt of their own, and tits to go with it"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember back when "self evident" was a thing ? legitimately, was an actual thing.

asciilifeform: while imho this is not a 'let's do this right nao' scheme, it is prolly the Right Thing in re 'trb-i' block propagation. no moar 'block withholding' nonsense. no reason why trbi should not own ionosphere the same way mircea_popescu projected bitcoin will 'own' mains current generation capacity.

asciilifeform: box, incidentally, doesn't need to know anyffing re particulars of gossip protocol; simply verify(4096b) luby packets, rejecting old nonces, reassemble into block, and then retransmit until a newer block is assembled, then repeat ad infinitum.

asciilifeform: a larger and expensive version of the item could be built conceivably with off-the-shelf iron, all it'd take is a bit of courage, can plug it in wherever one happens to have access to unguarded mains socket plus a window to string the aerial from.

asciilifeform: in principle, this here would be one of the rare cases where baking an asic would be a massive win (in that there's not much of a practical alternative)

asciilifeform: the holy grail would be to stuff this into a fpga. however ice40 isn't even remotely bigenuff.

mircea_popescu: downconverting is a much stickier issue than meets the eye

asciilifeform: re the 'unattended relay' concept, the gnarliest sticking point is the need for a rsatron that can verify a 4096b signature in a few msec, and while running on battery/photocell, not with whole comp

asciilifeform: the most economical receive-only station would prolly still consist of the realtek + a (working) downconverter.

asciilifeform: ( i tried the chinese-made 'downconverters' to bring it into the necessary band, thus far none worked worth a sparrow's fart )

asciilifeform: trinque: battlefield version of the hypothetical device would need a purpose-baked (fpga) sdr. but for experiment, could use e.g. 'hackrf' ( i have it, but hesitate to recommend it to others, it comes with a massive ball of open sores rubbish, really wants an ab initio driver , ars longa, etc )

trinque: asciilifeform: happen to have a recommended SDR?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831795 << piling on to this thread ftr : ~fiddybux buys you a device that can eat, 24/7, the entire 30MHz or so usable sw spectrum, and search for whatever. pulsers can then transmit short luby slices of $block pretty much wherever in said spectrum , at various times, even regardless of ionospheric season; a % of these will get eaten by $receiver, and slowly reconstitute a valid parcel. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: expect a whole lot of http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ of course ; but then again bear in mind sifting through the refuse pile of "western man" goes exactly like it goes : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831817 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo understand, i don't even necessarily mean "sell webhosting". don't open a conversation by a pitch in any case anyway.

asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of weev types who aren't aware that anyffing like pizarro is even possible. somebody, somewhere, among'em, possibly isn't entirely tard