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asciilifeform: i'll add, usg learned from ye olde ussr -- the latter was equally efficient at preventing plebes from accumulating escape-powering capital, but less so at preventing 'marketability' outside the barbed wire. hence the 1st wave of emigres who went into waiting arms of natostan industry, academia. but current-day usa, they patched this hole, nao you gotta have some pretty serious world-class talent ( e.g. concert pianist ), or at the ve
asciilifeform: [insert the mandatory m: 'what the fuck are you still doing there, are you a tard' a: 'i dun have useful skills for outside the fence' thread here ! ]
asciilifeform: at any rate, if mircea_popescu tells that there's a boiler room scamop where the hr chix is also the accountant and the council etc -- i'ma believe him, at this point i'm ready to believe plenty.
asciilifeform: last i knew , they were paper-liable for 'coarse errors of pilotage' strictly (e.g. 'wrong form wrong time' )
asciilifeform: errywhere i've seen with own eyes, these were separate desks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only comment re what i saw personally.
BingoBoingo: I can't imagine there is a surplus of HR chix capable of working alone or in sufficiently small groups to avoid creating a culture of drama.
asciilifeform: ( i imagine, triggering a kind of domino cascade, whoknows )
asciilifeform: erry slave galley i've ever toiled on, solved this problem by... hiring secretary from the actively-imploding firm next door
asciilifeform: i can picture the intel execs, golf club in one hand and martini in other, 'why didn't we think of this before' 'hey next time let's not just prohibit benchmark, but only if answer isn't what we like' 'brilliant, this will be at next board agenda'
phf: ave1: ah thank you, i forgot that i kept the two separate. the folder is not exposed, but i'll merge the two together. there's also an even older (spotty) log from apr 2012 to oct 2013, that includes pre #b-a #bitcoin-otc content, that's available through btcbase, but exists only in xchat (?) log format, that i parse
Mocky: aha, I suspected something like this would surface
asciilifeform: i'ma have to read this wonder
asciilifeform: this item's actually on my list for if/when i live to get to wpism patches
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle this type of inbandism is curable, with simple pill, lookahead parser -- if not ~actual~ html, comment is processed as plain text. rather than the 'oops here's a < so i'ma drift off into stratosphere' existing nonsense
mircea_popescu: i mean :p lel
phf: asciilifeform: well, i suppose _i_ was expected to say "oh it's just a SAT"
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : i half-expected 'lol noshit, any puzzler can be written as A* search, this is copout' lol
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 hours and 50 minutes ago: <ave1> found the raw logs here http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
asciilifeform: pretty sure i stepped on this mine at least once
Mocky: mircea_popescu, i just added a comment to puzzler blog post but seems cut off mid way
mircea_popescu: as the perdurant reader no doubt noticed, i'm a great restationist.
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck is it that i can restate alf's fg problems in terms of a mmorpg ?" and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing. ☟︎
ave1: !Q later tell phf, I found the raw logs here http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/80808/ << Trilema - This is Trilema post #80808 and I'm running out of passible titles.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mountains of rubbish, there , also, the guards aint paid to pick it up << There are crews going around painting bouys assigned to land duty, I suspect preparations for summer are beginning
asciilifeform: that street has very unpleasant atmosphere, i avoid it on the rare occasions when going into town
asciilifeform: i recall a husband-and-wife set, Officially 'islamic' flavoured, coupla yrs ago
asciilifeform: tho the mechanics of the biology, i suspect, work against it, when d00d 'goes t-cell' he closes in, in rightful mistrust of stoolies and 'helping hands'
asciilifeform: i expect at some point their !!key will work
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma go with the trad 'liberate' !11
asciilifeform: as i understand, the morons didn't even have the simple lock on the ignition that a toyota has.
mircea_popescu: otherwise... i didn't even go by bus as a jr high kid, wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: most of the bussing i ever did was via greyhound trip in mid 2000s, and deliberately for to meet various such people as use the bus in the us.
asciilifeform: i misread.
mircea_popescu: i expect she does a lot of bussing.\
asciilifeform: i can't resist to ask, if mircea_popescu will say, what he was doing on the bus. what, all 63 porches were in the shop ?
mircea_popescu: i expect most of the 20something crowd is socialized in the fenceless suburbia and lulzy-ass campus.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how such invalidates one's opinions on things and matters...\
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-21#985204 lulz, "I find it hard to believe that I could sit next to you on the bus let alone serve you". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i disagree.
asciilifeform: upstack, i dun buy 'thief doesn't understand property'. chingishan understood property. just unzipped and pissed.
mircea_popescu: if you read the "social media", 100% the approach of the dweebs would be "i won't take up much of your time, anything"
asciilifeform: dunno, erry week the local cops here pick up a car thief, who took for joyride, i dun think it is because 'did not understand property'
mircea_popescu: they call it "terrorism" and whatever, but all i can see is wediditredditardism. dood doesn't even conceptualize property in any sense above diego rivera's "it's the people's wall!".
asciilifeform: i can think of many less entertaining methods of cashing in one's chips
asciilifeform: i suspect the latter is simply adult-neotenous variant of that pasttime of just about erry intelligent little boy, to take group of playmates and 'put them in regiment', march'em around with wooden muskets
trinque heard a tard say exactly "mark of the beast would be so convenient; I wouldn't have to worry about losing my credit card" just the other day
asciilifeform: i always liked that legend. tho i suspect that i read it somewhat differently from the ameri-christians.
asciilifeform: the closer to the http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute period , the moar acute this problem, i suspect, and so when we will have seen 10 shitcoin scammers from the humid shitholistans, 7 will have been nguyen.
asciilifeform: but possibly i'm not sufficiently dedicated entomologist
asciilifeform: i dun recall the name popping up prior
BingoBoingo: But I am getting soup and a free sweep out of the deal.
BingoBoingo: So there is a local holiday called "Dia de nostalgia" where the locals listen to old pop music. The Peruana is rather insistent that the holiday is today. Thusly she took me for a walk, is cooking soup, and is cleaning Casa Boingo. I am under the impression the holiday is later this week, as the busdrivers and kiosk operators appear to be as well.
asciilifeform: oh hm nm i get it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843560 << possibly i'm thick, but i read mircea_popescu's puzzle statement and dun grasp how this is possible, for the value to be conserved, if every mix operation rounds down to nearest whole ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'll buy a 'he oughta have appeared here ~before~ strapped in the chair'.
mircea_popescu: i only read usg productions as literary fiction when it involves standing members ; otherwise it's liars playing liar. why would i trust CAMPOS more than the system he and his friends created ? or less, for that matter.
asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy' ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that the mexican was zek ( well, until picked up and enzekked )
mircea_popescu: i guess they're getting pretty desperate, if they're throwing randos in jail in lieu of making good on their usg.bitfinex takeover obligations.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:39 mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
Mocky: oh hey, i didn't have the context for that knapsack challenge when I read it in the logs, had no idea what it meant. meanwhile forgot all about it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i think it was cu jacket on steel core, like bullet << They usually are
asciilifeform: i think it was cu jacket on steel core, like bullet
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 20:13 ben_vulpes: i say, this coordinated attack on the republic is underimpressive
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843514 << i agree it may make more sense for scripting than systems language. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i say, this coordinated attack on the republic is underimpressive ☟︎
asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: but i have no such thing.
asciilifeform: i'd be quite happy to use a gc lang if i had iron that provides hard-O(1) cons
asciilifeform: phf: unless i'm mistaken, it is pretty tightly married to gc / ability to cons, tho
asciilifeform: ( i.e. your proggy is cache-insensitive )
asciilifeform: troo determinism means that i can write the exact sequence of instructions that will execute in the routine, and the exact addresses that will be referenced as operands, in the exact order.
Mocky: i see
Mocky: time i can see. space i don't see. max stack + max heap hard space bound, no?
asciilifeform: i.e. yes it successfully cures pointerism, overflowism, but at the cost of massive ball of ??? runtime, making your proggy effectively unauditable and quite certainly unmicrocontrollerable
asciilifeform: phf: i actually liked erlang, and even considered for battlefield, but ended up rejecting for the same reason as standard ml, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815589 ☝︎
phf: i'm alive, i had a busy few weeks
mircea_popescu: "why should i make a correct tool when could just use this thing available next day for 9.95 ?"
mircea_popescu: which i suspect may actually be the principal destabilizing factor historically, driving the error generation process.
Mocky: in '99 I and 2 others wrote a web framework in java for use in our company's products, no such published thing was extant. shortly after someone else published identical item named 'struts', not stolen merely obvious solution. I then watched the published 'struts' turn into ever bigger piles of shit year over year and suffered job interviewers probing my knowledge of 'struts' and i think that quite colored my
mircea_popescu: so then : he, like you, also had "partial of code that I wrote *with* other intelligent people and partially of things that i just just wrote personally to simplify my own common tasks and found useful over a long period of time"
mircea_popescu: the latter portion i mean.
Mocky: well ok then help me understand this: i have 'book of useful recipes' composed partial of code that I wrote *with* other intelligent people and partially of things that i just just wrote personally to simplify my own common tasks and found useful over a long period of time. is the latter portion 'man alone' ?
mircea_popescu: i'm making a rhetorical point, it doesn't survive so well minute analysis.
mircea_popescu: THEN at said moment it switched into "here kids, i have this magical method to call books into programs now". these two aren't at all the same thing ; moreover, only one is useful to actual people.
mircea_popescu: i like how topics of conversation in #trilema are meta-stable, one can safely discuss whatever it is they were discussing without fear the convo will morph into completely unpredictable somethingelse within a dozen lines.
Mocky: yeah, I see
Mocky: i agree 'book of useful recipes' useful to and created by practitioners
asciilifeform: Mocky: i.e. deskilling. see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830482 . ☝︎
Mocky: i agree re average developer. stepanov says i video that 1% should write library and 99% should just use. but that's bs. if 99% don't know algos or time complexity, then shouldn't be trusted with anything
mircea_popescu: (i expect everyone's familiar with the tale of Klein Zaches genannt Zinnober ?)
asciilifeform: ( then q would be, which miami is kanzure et al lured by. i propose 'upper miami', analogous to chukcha's 'upper tundra', i.e. valhalla )
asciilifeform: lol i thought stl was product of some ro d00d , rather than usg committee ?
mod6: I did watch that video, Mocky.
mod6: Anyway, I'm gonna crash. night!
mod6: I'm not sure if this is all that is required to setup wpmp though. I'm going to guess not.
mod6: Ok, so I think I can help with this here too -- as soon as we have an SSH key. There is a script to do at least the useradd part of this, which I can attempt to run with the given key.