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asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:45 trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834764 << trinque do you have a list of items you observed to be broken under musl ? or is this still in the works ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:45 trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:42 mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as the woodchipped people.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : i got a bundle which compiles to 64 bits except one lib, which compiles to 32 bit and then i get " wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 Program exited with code 0177". the configure for it manages to ignore both enable-lib64 --disable-lib32 and CFLAGS=-m64 CXXFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 sets of flags. you ever heard of such ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 14:56 asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup. ☝︎☟︎
trinque: to take a specific example, my mention of musl distros isn't an excuse for anyone to blindly pilfer patches and then sign because "built!!"
mircea_popescu: trinque im not saying it's impossible, by any means ; but it'll have to be either done or not done, there's no "i'm not waht i do i'm what i dream". like a wedding, "anyone wanting postgres/whatever speak now or stfu fe&e"
trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as the woodchipped people. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 15:09 diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : i got a bundle which compiles to 64 bits except one lib, which compiles to 32 bit and then i get " wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 Program exited with code 0177". the configure for it manages to ignore both enable-lib64 --disable-lib32 and CFLAGS=-m64 CXXFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 sets of flags. you ever heard of such ?! ☟︎
asciilifeform: a new node plugged directly in ( i.e. over lan ) to a working trb node, with 'aggression' should sync in week or 2.
asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node. ☟︎
asciilifeform: nat is very much a 2edged sword, just 2 or 3 nat boxen with heavy use will saturate typical GB lan switch
shinohai: pogo also makes a handy local binhost, for those who don't wish to build the same 500 packages when trying new stuff on gentoo.
shinohai: nah, i made own setup after the arch linux install, just do a gentoo chroot once in to sort of unify my setup
shinohai: Thankfully, pogo turned out to be great NAT device, I run a mech hdd in the dumb-as-bricks vertical hdd slot, and a samsung t3 portable ssd from the top usb connector.
shinohai: A friend of mine has one of those mediasonic mini raid boxes, i cant remember how many drives it holds.
asciilifeform: incidentally, a miniature raid (i.e. harness 4 cheapo hdd to 1 usb3 cable) would be a very useful thing. which afaik unfortunately does not exist.
shinohai: Pretty much same as I always reported, usually stayed several "days" behind, this did not improve until I purchased samsung ssd about a year ago.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 13:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform, re screen & nohup: metoo! but nowadays I do use screen a LOT
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834717 << there's really not a substitute for 'screen' if you're leaving ~interactive~ cmd line processes in background (e.g. shells) , aha ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 14:22 shinohai: gm #trilema http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834119 <<< Ran a x86 node 3+ years with mechanical hdd, aggression patch did keep mine within ~10 blocks always.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 15:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did
shinohai: gm #trilema http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834119 <<< Ran a x86 node 3+ years with mechanical hdd, aggression patch did keep mine within ~10 blocks always. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: brb, time to go for a walk
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re screen & nohup: metoo! but nowadays I do use screen a LOT ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834346 <-- fwiw, I believe I'm also ill-equipped for this job. I'd only trust a spyked to get this right after he's delivered on at least a couple of self-directed projects, and even then... I need a wee bit more experience under my belt. on this note, /me finds http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ to be a good reread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: re 'screen' -- funnily enuff for many yrs asciilifeform did not use it aside from as rs232 terminal a la 'kermit'; for the absolutely fucking vital item of 'leave my bg processes alone when i disconnect', used simply 'nohup', which comes with afaik errry unix since system5
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 15:09 diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834459 << answer is no ; bitcoin is a shining example of yahoo usage of threading. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834420 << he is positioned to do a far better job than i have/can, and i believe that he will ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 23:47 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the quite obvious question of why would one even entertain a wanna-be bitcoin thing that's uppity enough to not be here in the first place.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 01:56 mircea_popescu: did pizarro ever build up a localbitcoins acct ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834378 << yes, sold a small amount of btc via WU through this channel ☝︎
mircea_popescu: notice as in, you know, actually notice, "omfg i can't believe what a shithead i am, missed out on the financial bitcoin train and then on the political too, i truly am too stuipid to fucking live" and subsequently blow their brains out, as any sort of rational process absolutely dictates...
mircea_popescu: self-centerdness. it's a thing.
asciilifeform: in his words, lol, 'I never did make it down for one of MP’s famous conferences, then he stopped having them a few years back. So wut do.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d was a noxious twit for as long as i can remember
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated vandroiy 1 at 2012/09/01 22:00:35 << Risked 5k of his own bitcoins to help a bunch of forum retards see the light.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated teppy 1 at 2012/09/28 16:40:53 << dev of a tale in the desert (mmorpg)
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated polarbeard 1 at 2016/01/22 17:39:19 << Managed a V press.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated ageis 1 at 2012/09/28 05:16:16 << made a win binary for pympex
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834457 << ftr this is a ~very~ Bad Idea . for instance , i do not know in what starvation-cheapo hoster brazilish put his node, but if it was aws he will find that he cannot connect to ~any of the l1 folx's trb nodes, most people ban aws ip range whole ☝︎
asciilifeform: brazilish: fwiw my personal everyday-use node is a box the size of my fist, cost about 100 $ ( not incl. disk ) , runs off a 12v line
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834483 << just about anything with 2GB or more memory will work -- trb is not really cpu-bound . a 1TB disk will last you 3-5 yrs until fills. ideally ssd ( though the exact penalty from using mechanical disk is not yet known, see last night's thread ). if ssd -- i recommend samsung's, cheapo ssd typically burns after 1-2 yrs of trb wear. ☝︎
diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself ☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: and a serious dose of log reading seems required; do your searches, gather what answers you get from them , write them in a post on your blog and THEN if it's still unclear come and ask, with a link "here's what I figured out, here's what I still have no idea on"
diana_coman: brazilish, nothing wrong with experimenting as long as it's done with a clear plan and then reported on
brazilish: btw, I did my research about the evil of a virtual machine setup, but I'm just doing it to test a running node before having bare metal at my premises
diana_coman: this is not even a bad project for starting, so go for it, just do it properly and publish the write up
deedbot: diana_coman rated brazilish 1 << He says he's trying to run TRB and get himself a blog.
brazilish: then added a 30 usd 300GB virtual drive to store the blockchain, and started the syncing process
brazilish: actual stats on a 10 USD vps: 1.5h to compile w/o issues on debian 8
diana_coman: and yes, do make yourself a blog
brazilish: currently is syncing on a single core kvm vps
diana_coman: aha; do you have a blog anywhere?
brazilish: trying to set it up on a vps to give it a try
diana_coman: and as a customer of Pizarro I'd be very happy to know that BingoBoingo takes on the management role and gets it moving;also, re directions to my mind this forum here is a great place to come and ask about scary/unknown stuff *early*
BingoBoingo: Last time I tried the shaving it was maybe a week and a half before I had straight out of Africa shaving bumps
mod6: BingoBoingo: I'm gonna let you think about it for a few days if you need. Think about if you really want to take on major parts of this role. I think you ~can~ do it. But, I don't want you to feel overwhelemed or pushed into it either.
trinque: "oh, should shave/eat/get dick sucked for wildcatting like a boss"
trinque: after surving all that, man just needs a mirror and to look once in a while
mod6: Hey, nothing against BingoBoingo. At all. He has been through a battle, this is true.
mod6: And I agree that the man could be good at it. But I tend to believe a man when he says "hey, I need instructions, day to day".
BingoBoingo: Well, the strict guidance thing was before ben_vulpes gave it a shot
mod6: <+a111> Logged on 2018-07-02 18:37 mircea_popescu: well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ? << you know, when we talked about this a week ago... it never even considered BingoBoingo , not because i think he's not a person or any such nonsense. But because when we started this ventue, he said that he needed strict guidence.
BingoBoingo: mod6: A fairly hands off (i.e not day to day situation) report to the board situation is fine
mod6: And to the point of BingoBoingo, he has said before that he wants direction from a manager. As he said earlier tonight.
mircea_popescu: ima ask again the thing i asked you lot when you came up with the batshit insane options arrangement : do you think he's not a real person because he's actually DOING things, real things, scary real things such as fucking venezuelans, and real people are only the meditative kind ?
mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh him. ☝︎
mod6: So, a job description would be helpful.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the impediment is here. looky here : 1. you want to write a ~new~ job description, now. the job isn't new, so where's the old job description ? if you didn't have one then, why would you have one now, and if you didn't think you need one then, why would you need one now, and if it didn't occur to you to write it then why are you qualified to write it now ?
mod6: To your question "hire someone that what ?" : That manages the day-to-day task for BingoBoingo, does accouting tasks (reporting, invoicing, payments), can possibly lend a hand with sysadmin tasks. That sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: a new one ?!
mod6: Yeah, I need to write up a job description.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that has been a welcome change
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834322 << this is a fine question. what's the envisaged happy ending here ? << As I was saying, was hoping to hire someone. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Well, pizarro has the dedicated boxes that require invoicing and the occasional standup. The rockchips that require invoicing and the occasional standup. Then there's the shared hosting server which is beefy as hell and runs a very lean gentoo.
trinque: the fact that wallet features benefit greatly from a live and healthy pizarro is also not lost on me, which is why I jumped to be (afaik) live customer #1
trinque: beyond that, what's not clear is whether management means directing, or doing a lot of hands-on work on machines. it's likely I have little time for the former, but have absolutely no time for the latter.
BingoBoingo: I am comfortable taking tech direction from alf. If mod6 wants to take the purse from ben_vulpes, that's a board.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834328 << mod6 also ran this by me. most of my opposition stems from having a lengthy list of wallet features yet to build, which have been delayed by (quite necessary) gentoo confiscation. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I have one a localbitcoins account, started flirting with the alt-alt, and do have this lengthy list of items to push on
mircea_popescu: did pizarro ever build up a localbitcoins acct ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: trinque's provided a turnkey accounting solution, you do a !!ledger once a month, reconcile it with ops list and there you go, accounting's done.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in practical terms, you got a place to sleep and an internet connection. what specifically is keeping you from building up sales funnels ?
BingoBoingo: lobbes et al: I'll keep taking stuff on my plate, but the reason Pizarro isn't BBISP is... A need for more direction.
mircea_popescu: because the moron utterly has to http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ ; can't simply come fucking here, register a key, do something useful as ordered. no, none of that, business school produces more special cuntlets than miss america competitions, he gotta sing his own fucking tune. because this is actually possible, every dick, tan and harry can come up with marching tunes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834332 << she's technical rather than management track, also. much like you, and presumably a lot of other people in l1. which is a fundamental weakness we've been copacetically not really trying to address. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834322 << this is a fine question. what's the envisaged happy ending here ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834316 << hence by extension of http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ , the harem as an economic necessity. the marginal cost to make bread for 12 as opposed to 3 is sub 50% ; the marginal benefit from having local taylor to make you a dress while you make bread... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:26 asciilifeform: we had a 1950s 'zil' that still worked in '92 when we left.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834276 << it was always a ((sexually worthless males) + (reproductive value women)) construct. ☝︎
asciilifeform: lobbes: your node sounds like a good candidate for the timer patch (i.e. determine, why not syncs, is it block db delay, or it somehow gets nuffin from peers, or which.)
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816438 << in other news, you were not kidding! my trb (hdd + aggression) has moved a mere 20K blocks in one month ☝︎☟︎