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asciilifeform: more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store
ThickAsThieves: i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off"
asciilifeform: which is why there isn't really a market
asciilifeform: it's arranged a bit differently.
mircea_popescu: i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact,
asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: had a spiffy quote in there
asciilifeform: wrote a book.
asciilifeform: russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder
mircea_popescu: say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would
mircea_popescu: "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where,
ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of "let everything be better"
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of harmony
ThickAsThieves: like a highway stop for 10mph too fast
ThickAsThieves: like a hippocratic oath
mircea_popescu: a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ?
mircea_popescu: because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father.
mircea_popescu: so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt.
BingoBoingo: I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man.
decimation: certainly not from a 'police academy'
decimation: the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master
mircea_popescu: finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris
ThickAsThieves: i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver
mircea_popescu: i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing
ThickAsThieves: my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs
ThickAsThieves: agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets
asciilifeform: in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax.
decimation: the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways
ThickAsThieves: there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times
decimation: "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ½ of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. "
ozbot: Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey
ThickAsThieves: 5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone
mircea_popescu: "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards
decimation: once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done
mircea_popescu: just buy a judge
ThickAsThieves: seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do
mircea_popescu: if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled
mircea_popescu: decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words.
ThickAsThieves: The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized.
copumpkin: anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages?
ninjashogun: e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem?
decimation: I thought that there was a parallel there
asciilifeform: there's a better one somewhere
moiety: careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit
ninjashogun: you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now write a pow based on that
benkay`: klint's a rad dude
asciilifeform: interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd
ozbot: Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
mircea_popescu: you know... it's not a site.
KRS-One: afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works.
mircea_popescu: of a capitalist."
mircea_popescu: When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr
mircea_popescu: "magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA.
moiety: i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all
mircea_popescu: there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field
mircea_popescu: it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme
asciilifeform: uni is certainly a chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: basically, a congressional aide.
mircea_popescu: logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock.
asciilifeform: i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn
asciilifeform: i sorta tried to explain this in a post
mircea_popescu: what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ?
mircea_popescu: ok, so going to the university has a cost.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly, no, only here: http://www.ark.ru/ins/lyrics/a/molitva_okudzhava.html
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron
moiety: it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.
moiety: BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in
benkay`: would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month
benkay`: most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...
benkay`: mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes
mircea_popescu: it's a std.
mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
ninjashogun: mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians?
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
mircea_popescu: i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.
benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
benkay`: ya it's a pretty strong lure
benkay`: general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.
asciilifeform: for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later.
asciilifeform: spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
asciilifeform: it's not a famous mega-work