asciilifeform: in misc lulz, i located an eng translation of bukovsky. historically i've avoided reading him, couldn't get past the fact that he not only ran off to 'anti-sov' for usg, but works there with gusto ~today~.
asciilifeform: stalin had an imho quite prophetic uttering, 'when i'm buried they will pile shit sky high on my grave, but wind of history will blow it away' .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877821 << it apparently aint in the log, as such. but iirc there was some pantsuit reddit-wank campaign to try an' turn mircea_popescu into a sort of 'mad beria' in 'eye of history' or somesuch nonsense, that was supposed to pin on that phrase☝︎
asciilifeform: orc political theatre has this quality, where they get carried away and lose all sight of plausibility / lifelike sin, and create a 'french, british, and japanese spy coprophagiac cannibal rapist' .
asciilifeform: ( didja know... he had a '#metoo'-style parade of chix, even, for the occasion, 'he raped! and i saw meat grinder! and he coprophagia'd!' etc. x9000 )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877819 << i saw the film and quite familiar with the 'mad beria' ~stereotype~. simply was not able to find any evidence for it that doesn't genesis-block in hrusch's show trial and Official 'unmasking' .☝︎
asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, 'cyclical histories' where 'confederacy of dunces' gangs up and dethrones their betters, and then whole edifice turns to shit, from shit grows sumthing new, etc. -- this i can buy, we're quite evidently in the trough of that sinusoid just nao☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: poul anderson had a hilarious novella, 'brainwave', where people were quite like your crabs in that there turned out to be a 'stupidity field' surrounding our chunk of galaxy, which came and went. but i dun know of any real-life reason to introduce that hypothesis.
asciilifeform: an' proceeded to tell themselves, and 'historians', all kindsa bedtime stories.
asciilifeform: without time machine cannot say which ver. but overall picture invites itself inevitably , that what happened was exactly that the kakobreklas ganged up & killed their mircea_popescu , and put on his regalia.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, yet 3rd version is b's son's, who to his grave insisted that father was killed in his office, without surrendering , 'binladen-style' . )
asciilifeform: also describes how the usurpers could not decide who is to actually do the wet work ( per serov, beria was killed several days into captivity, not 6mo when Officially 'sentenced' )
asciilifeform: serov describes the coup in some detail, in particular the times & places where various folx who would have gotten in the way, were neutralized
asciilifeform: there are other bits an' pieces. for instance, diaries of serov ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672808 ) were found in 2000s . fwiw i read. the usual rotters all 'fecal consensus' that they are a forgery, but i'm actually sold ( not convinced that they were printed ~uncut~, sure , but that not outright fabrication -- convinced )☝︎
asciilifeform: again -- impossible to authenticate 'did he ? or donation of constantine' w/out time machine.
asciilifeform: there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot'☟︎
asciilifeform: ( hrusch for instance is known to have pinned a good coupla 10k corpses that he was himself the author of, on beria )
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible that he did; but in so far as i can tell 100% of that narrative comes from the folx that killed him & danced on the corpse
asciilifeform: b was personal friend, incidentally, of stalin; the latter persuaded him , not w/out difficulty, to come out of his local gig in sunny south and work in 'big league'
asciilifeform: but per my pov , as 'fan' and chronic eater of just about any period material that can be squeezed from the dried mummies , is that beria was a prime mover of all sortsa http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877568 .☝︎
asciilifeform: at any rate this thread touches qs that are impossible to answer w/out time machine, so i'ma not put moar weight on it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been 'rehash of nep' that other players indignant over, but ~their removal~, d00d was, i suspect, getting set to clean house.
asciilifeform: d00d was quite definitely a sort of napoleon, had all kindsa 'let's try things' inclinations.
asciilifeform: ( and to tie this into the other subthread -- by some accts, beria let it slip that he was in favour of 'transition to market system' of some variant. 2 wks later, nailed , actor played him at show trial in 6mo )
asciilifeform: likely from same era as luddite movement.
asciilifeform: i dun specifically know. but clearly vintage.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform recently probed pet, re whether there was a figure like e.g. matrosov, in ameri-folklore. all she could think of was a 1800s mythical character who 'died with hammer in his hand' trying to out-steam a steam hammer
asciilifeform: just picture sumbody losing an eye in a disney film
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical end-days fare
asciilifeform: ( not only su rockets -- but errywhere, incl. usa. beria's broomstick was long enuff to tickle arses across ocean just as readily as locally )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is one of the folx who do not regard stalin-on-throne and rockets-fly as a mere coincidence.
asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( at some point i'ma have to do a serious with-bib-refs treatment of the subj in engl., afaik none exists ! )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an essay where 'hey, if i strangle you, at least it'll be a man strangling you with hands, and not a cockpuppet with paper' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform could pick b/w working for obummer & co, and beria, would pick the latter any day of week.
asciilifeform: ( whether in between being bluebeard, or not, fact remains )
asciilifeform: what we do know was that he was kurchatov's direct boss. and presided over mind-bogglingly successful 'yesterday we had horse plow and today nuke' affair.
asciilifeform: ( and then turned into a kinda 'bluebeard' in Official Troof )
asciilifeform: the troof, to the extent i was able to get at it, was that the d00d was ~soft~ and 'modernization'-inclined. and hence got nailed.
asciilifeform: it's exactly like going with suetonius re the emperors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i looked into the 'deranged', virtually 100% of the extant sources are tainted with hrusch & co.
asciilifeform: ( successfully conspired with other 3rdraters to kill beria, the designated kronprinz )
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack, the pokerists -- i am led to conclude that usg's inquisition is not particularly vigorous , or the paypalistic poker dens would have gone to sane place as dodo bird
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw current-day ru ( and great num of other places ) still has 'male hut' army
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877611 << what's the current state of the art re pokerism, anyway ? has it moved to 100% btc yet , or are idiots still being gassed when they cash out in paypalade and travel to reich 'vacation resorts' for no apparent reason ?☝︎
