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a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 20:39 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/EHFoJ << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675463 << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms. >> "Korean women want to know the secret. They found the secret in this book." << lol "You, too, can do 'it'!" ☝︎

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/EHFoJ << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms. ☟︎

asciilifeform: But is does result in a product that is reliable not just to start with, but in ten or more years time.' << sounds great, but hey folx, why not make buckling springs like normal people!111

mod6: <+phf> has builtin trackball even, in the right place << this would be handy. mine doesn't have this. having to take my hands off the board gets annoying.

asciilifeform: http://www.maltron.com/cherry-mx-switches.html << looks like they use cherries nao

asciilifeform: 2000 << lol!!

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)

mod6: <+a111> Logged on 2017-06-27 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?! << apparently the older versions were indeed rubber. they've since gotten rid of that, and are now plastic. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JPnpq/?raw=true << repost, for aficionados.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674678 << mine was written in cweb, i.e. the literate programming thing for c. i haven't finished it, but i got bogged on configuration management. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and this thing did not at all resemble ordinary bicycle or 'moped' -- was miniature copy of 'kawasaki ninja' i think << Pit bike. Where I grew up if my parents were cooler,tis likely a thing I could have played with

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?!

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675084 << apparently it's the wrong keyboard :o i used to use advantage back in the day, but now it's https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-for-mac/ ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams << Typical cocaine use is gram after gram after gram after gram, I imagine mp or Tiger Woods level is sugar bowl or candy dish set out in advance

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev << Well less ev if you get minesweeper at garage sale for 1/10th retail because initial purchaser realized -ev

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches. << 3000, who gets less than a gram of coke?

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing << milligrams isn't a market, its retail

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> dunno that this is so -- i routinely see folx with 'minesweepers' in, e.g., parks, looking for ??? << loose change

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that. << Which dude where?

asciilifeform: spammers work > for < pay..

mircea_popescu: even if such a dig takes less than one hour of derp's time and no transportation, the fact remains that 1mn hours of minimum wage are > 1mn $ even in russhitia ; wheas a brick of anything is < 100k.

asciilifeform: again , whole thing could be ~fabrication. but not mine, but of ru prosecutors. https://archive.is/8Gzus << example from 2016.

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Закладки наркотиков в подъезде: как бороться? – Вопрос: <https://question.d3.ru/zakladki-narkotikov-v-podezde-kak-borotsia-573875/>; Закладки в подъездах! - Pikabu: <http://pikabu.ru/story/zakladki_v_podezdakh_2710822>; [УЖАС] Наркоманы ищут закладку (наркотики) перед детьми в ...: (1 more message)

asciilifeform: meanwhile also in the fishwrap, http://archive.is/t9BoT >> 'Reputed New York gangster released from prison at age 100' << '... in and out of prison for much of his adult life ... most recently incarcerated, at the age of 93 in 2010, for a racketeering conspiracy involving the shakedown of New York strip clubs.'

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 14:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674948 << which bot here does secret key ops ?

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675118 << isn't deciphering a challenge an instance of a secret key op? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674902 << there is a handy post-su word, 'распил' ('sawing-apart') to describe the process ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674920 << i took a 300+km trip by train, on east coast of usa, not long ago, and it was quite a sight - carcasses of dead factories, ex-trainstations belonging to ex-towns, and other 'dead past' that 'unhappened', plain for naked eye to see ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:08 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674940 << excepting the special case of the bots

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674948 << which bot here does secret key ops ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:59 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...0867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ)

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675008 << this is actually more likely to sink you than simply using a very large time cushion would. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675006 << there are side-channels other than timing, and some -- readable from considerable distance ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?! ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675077 << there's no intention that there would be plaintext anything, wtf. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add.

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674880 << home orifice is another quarter or 4 months away yet; and the republic calls even in the dead of night ☝︎

pete_dushenski: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/24/c_136391168.htm << autonomous lulz. perhaps of interest to ben_vulpes

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./

sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674872 << sorry I used the wrong term there, I meant the operator. what I ended up with re that query is approximately what you've got there, except it's a two step process. 1. gossipc --add-peer --name sina --host <host> --port <port> which furnishes you a pubkey you can exchange with that peer (and they vice versa with you) and a seperate command to set the peer key ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!" ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674765 << well, without crypto and without gossip. but then again the latter not meaningfully possible without former anyway. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674737 << this is the fundamental problem here. if we're not really using encryption then we're not really using encryption. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski << add !W for candi_lustt and !R for mimisbrunnr

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless) ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674940 << excepting the special case of the bots ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> more of a case of finely evolved nose. we can smell it at nearly ppb. << Worst part of smoking cessation is having a sense of smell again. Still not sure it's worth it.

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...0867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ) ☟︎

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...2939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674709 << it's not clear to me what he means by session ; might be some internal-only thing (eg, lifetime of particular sig) which isn't breaking. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima. ☝︎☝︎☟︎

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674323 << aha ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674651 << while phf is right, nobody lasts forever, and linus is getting old. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674641 << awww. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674638 <<< it's a good thing that the successful introduction of ipv6 rendered such considerations mute. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674631 << "flash crash" lulz. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315 ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674592 << moreover, these are data containers, non reflective non recursive what's the similarity in tyhe fgirst6 place ☝︎

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/26/racing-for-a-cure-6-edmonton/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Racing for a Cure 6 – Edmonton

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked".

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674906 << ht is not a legitimate concept, like, e.g., pipelining, but instead an ill-conceived attempt to speed up 'winblows as it existed at the time' ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:28 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674899 << lol it takes time to generate commentz, i not long got back from long lulztrip ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 17:07 erlehmann: i am willing to abandon my redo efforts if v maketron suits my needs better. does there exist a v implementation in <500 lines of shell?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674534 << you can definitely make this in an evening by simply translating the extant lisp/python iirc impls. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674434 << has hyperthreading ever actually worked ? ( see also... http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hyper-threading )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked". ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674495 << it's a... haaaard....lyffe! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674488 <<< for some reason the illustration featured a hercules, which is a prop not a jet, but w/e. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674428 << i'll do this tomorrow, too displaced right nao for such werks. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./ ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674362 << speaking of bigots : so i'm walking with girl through utter shithole, true poverty area. stench of sewage in the air, houses made out of $200 in materials and so on. i spot a rabid dog by that sure sign of drooping salivation, so i go in between and keep my eye on it. ☝︎

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F26286E344AAD5DAC3259412DFD76A915DC0CA95AE6C819CC7F33B760D99DD19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...2949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.128.149.20 (ssh-rsa key from 62.128.149.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ecg.co.uk. GB)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F26286E344AAD5DAC3259412DFD76A915DC0CA95AE6C819CC7F33B760D99DD19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...2599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.128.149.20 (ssh-rsa key from 62.128.149.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ecg.co.uk. GB)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671568 << see also thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: sina: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Zy27g/?raw=true << current ffa.

mod6: <+sina> hows all today, is it time to rotate shift mod6? << hows that?

a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674428 << fwiw i carefully read all of it. asciilifeform's verdict: very much a gabriel_laddel-ization of gossipd. does 0 of the necessary work, and drags in 5+GB of liquishit deps (python, sql, some derp's crypto lib.) the amount of this that would have to be rewritten, from the ground, is 100%. not even useful as illustration of anything, because NONE of the actually complicated moving parts of a

sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674480 << haha savage ☝︎

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/7bx0V << upstream in same thread << apparently he tried to draw a line, 'stfu with the monolithic unreadable patches'

asciilifeform: meanwhile, 'thief cries thief', https://archive.is/vgrDP << organized pantsuit ouster of linus t. slowly crystallizing...

asciilifeform: ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [shutting down] << lolwat

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674627 << http://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/PBF005-Billiards_in_heaven.png ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they spent it all on... ethertardium?! << YES!!!

asciilifeform: erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581252 << see thread, for instance. ☝︎

erlehmann: i am willing to abandon my redo efforts if v maketron suits my needs better. does there exist a v implementation in <500 lines of shell? ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674434 << has hyperthreading ever actually worked ? ( see also... http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hyper-threading ) ☝︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674456 << thread: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-6-22#dcfcaad0-5fef-4672-8692-e8a69b9df2f5 ☝︎

mod6: <+shinohai> kk, will ping you when I get back - sorry for the pm tag this weekend :/ << no worries at all