asciilifeform: (when 'war game' simulations revealed that all american ships would perish within hours, they started rigging the 'games')
asciilifeform: usg also had, in that period, a fixation with gigantic naval battles
asciilifeform: if you are reading this - it is almost certainly a terrible use of your time.☟︎
asciilifeform: but really this is one of those 'games where the winning move is not to play.'
asciilifeform: (i.e., how to bury, given that you will only be able to find the location again using geographical clues - and trees, buildings, etc. can disappear over the decades)
asciilifeform: worth reading solely for the 'geocaching' craft.
asciilifeform: if you somehow learn where one is - don't touch it. they were all mined.
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: there's an account in english-language 'the sword and the shield' (mitrokhin) of one swiss cache that was dug up when he tipped off the local authorities.
asciilifeform: note that neither 'gps' nor its soviet equivalent existed at the time.
asciilifeform: back to topic - if you really must hide physical objects, read about how kgb and gru hid arms caches in their opponents' territories.
asciilifeform: i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric)☟︎
asciilifeform: if you have an object that is worth, say, 100k to hide and retrieve, go ahead and follow recipe. but also consider the easier 'sell it and run with the money'
asciilifeform: regardless of what you fill it with later - will read differently from natural rock.
asciilifeform: drilling a hole creates a very distinct density anomaly that ground-penetrating radar sets (ask a construction co. that deals with underground pipes) readily turns up.
asciilifeform: also ensure that the hidey-hole can be found without recourse to satellite navigation.
asciilifeform: make sure capsule has enough excess buoyancy when triggered to rip itself out of the crud that sunken objects inevitably embed themselves in over time.
asciilifeform but likes the idea anyway. a few km down in sea is the closes thing nature gives us, afaik, to a 'trap door function' for physical goodies.
asciilifeform for the record doesn't own anything worth the cost of ocean capsule.
asciilifeform: capsule must have positive buoyancy when you're done filling it
asciilifeform: build a capsule, of the smallest adequate size (al suggested inconel or hastalloy for the material. not cheap - but then again, it'll be a small fraction of the total cost of project)
asciilifeform: here's a recipe i shared with al schwartz once
asciilifeform: and buy the obligatory set of new passports / favours
asciilifeform: if you own such an object, consider liquidating it and using the proceeds to buy passage to neutral country of your choice
asciilifeform: very few physical objects are worth the cost of raising an army to keep arbitrarily large horde of orcs away
asciilifeform: forget present-day law. the pertinent question is 'who knows that you have $object'
asciilifeform: treasure - is usually a result of folks who bit the dust without ever getting to make use of the $goodies.
asciilifeform: also understand why archaeologists still turn up buried jars of, e.g, roman gold.
asciilifeform: if enemy knows you have $goodie, and you are captured - might as well mail it in to the crown treasury now - avoid burned starfish later
asciilifeform: again, depends not only on the 'what' but 'from whom'
asciilifeform: again - depends on answer to above question
asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: bad idea. in many quite probable scenarios, one loses access to 'own' property first.
asciilifeform: even ignoring the traditional devil of 'fdr gold confiscatorwagen' (tm) - bank essentially gives itself permission to steal whenever.
asciilifeform: decimation: something was left in the Box on last authorized entry, and was found to be missing on the next entry, will not create a presumption that it was lost << conclusion: bury your goods in the forest. fuck bank.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.☟︎☟︎
