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asciilifeform: meanwhile, in an apparent imitation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749817 : http://destery.info/cidal/mpex-bitcoin-nupe.php <<< aaaaand, very similarly, returns ENTIRELY different turd to archive.is. orig. screenshitted, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpex_flavoured_spamola.jpg for posterity. ☝︎

lobbes: <asciilifeform> [19:42:10] in other vintage heathen lulz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin apparently. << "Before disappearing from any involvement in bitcoin, Nakamoto in a sense handed over the reins to developer Gavin Andresen" lol, didjaknow?

asciilifeform: in other vintage heathen lulz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin apparently.

asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: ever seen this photo : https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/0/6/6/5346660.jpg ?

a111: Logged on 2015-04-09 21:21 ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf: 3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.peterl.sig . ty

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf: 1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch2_logicals.vpatch.peterl.sig 2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch3_shifts.vpatch.peterl.sig

asciilifeform: http://www.worldtruth.mx/mathematics/link-id_34145/ << pinoys neversleep(tm)(r)

a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sea is rich ; but the fisherman's stuck playing a loser game.

asciilifeform: i get it, in the 'organic' system that is a live p2p net, proper controlled experiments are quite impossible. this however does NOT mean that one oughta freely give in to urge to climb back up the tree, becoming a monkey again, and think in voodoo criteria. even if the circumstances heavily encourage this , by failing to reward rational thought ( see mircea_popescu's thread with the italian fishermen !! , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111' ☟︎

deedbot: diana_coman rated esthlos 1 << He seems to really want to learn.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 05:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.

shinohai: Bon Voyage mircea_popescu .... enjoy!

trinque: ben_vulpes: huh, meanwhile node.deedbot.org is topped up without aggression and without 50400 setvernum.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no need

mircea_popescu: trinque because it'll get a mess ; ben_vulpes it's just a counter. increments 1 from prev line. shall i do a sample pastebin ? ☟︎

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: okay, i geddit. do it as the first step of vdiff, so the mutation shows up

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes conceivably. why ?

mircea_popescu: phf asciilifeform diana_coman & others awake ^

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, except .genesis :D

trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, concatenate every single item in the path diff processed, use *that* hash as antecedent and that recalculated as expected.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 22:56 ben_vulpes: the specifics of this case is that increase_aggression_levels touches *only* net.cpp and excise_hash_truncations touches a whole lotta stuff but *not* net.cpp

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh it finally dawned on me what this is about. sorry it takes so long.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 18:26 mircea_popescu: so as the reconciler, you get to pick which of ~either~ a ~or~ b to count in your considered oppinion as the republican and which as the heretic.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 03:43 mircea_popescu: let me put it this way, maybe resolves problem : v unpermits a specific kind of hack within the purview of this discussion, wherein one tries to design after the fact. correctly designed items will have the larger bits (by footprint) earlier in the patch tree ; and fray out correctly. github-style nonsensica commonly attempts to discover that "hey, this johnny come lately item should have been an evie-comes-early MODULE, let'

a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 13:27 mircea_popescu: no but see, we use different terminology. i do not assign anything to "code written". the source of code, to my eyes, is he in the wot who has read it.

mircea_popescu: it's after all what diana_coman is doing for eulora.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).

a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758883 << sure. in the sense blockchain is frayed rope, this also.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758901 << what's the problem with a "wasted" FZ anyway

a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758864 << you engage in a category error. you don't know what's in the box BEFORE opening the box.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758819 << she kinda got sent off for NOT being looking dedicatedly enough ; then she got pissy because i imagine in her dumb head she had self-delusions as to self-importance as dear as they were baseless. << Ah, gets BTC once returns years later and has less sense and more ideas ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 18:15 ben_vulpes: and in other profitable mining strategies: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/25/business/energy-environment/germany-electricity-negative-prices.html

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758681 << if there existed anything like a market in (reasonably recent) miners -- they'd already be installed at the plant, in place of those gigantic resistors . ( and iirc there was a mircea_popescu thread, involving e.g. fish ponds ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 19:48 mircea_popescu: more practically, voice will be acquired via introduction by lord, ie, court presentation.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 20:29 mircea_popescu just dumped a whole sack of coal on teh grill, teh girls happily cleanning up a grosse of pleurotus... if anyone needs me ima be at teh rancho bbqing.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ( trinque ? ) what ~concrete~ operation on trb tree did v-as-it-nao-exists keep you from easily carrying out ? i'd like to see ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:31 mircea_popescu: imo "tree" MUST be linear.

asciilifeform: every time think of a possible change : think, does this take it in the direction of heathendom ? can it still make a patch like http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks , where it is hammer-in-your-face-obvious to the reader that every single fucking line does ?

asciilifeform: i should not need to look for a meta-document (with own sig, presumably) to know which group of patchons constitutes e.g. 'asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing' .

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:36 ben_vulpes: this still leaves me in the pickle of producing a vpatch from a press to a that won't actually descend linearly from a without touching a file, and adding "this line necessary to ensure this vpatch descends from a and not genesis"

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 ben_vulpes: phf: this exposes another problem: in ideal vtronics it is an illegal operation to press to multiple leaves at the same tree level, which is the only way to have a codebase against which to create a makefiles-type patch that ties multiple patches together

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758789 << ben_vulpes if you look at phf's patch tree graphical viewer, you will realize how asciilifeform solved this problem ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 23:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758790 << especially in the light of 1. move/rename 2. edit double-patch method this seems more and more like the right thing ; but then again what to do of regrinds ? regrind should ideally be "one patch out of many"

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 23:04 mircea_popescu: my original thought was "can we do something like the tits drip but for sw enthusiasts instead ?" ; alf pointed out thatr well, carrierless issue.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 23:05 mircea_popescu: basically something like "do x, get y" with a well chosen x.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:34 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758548 anyone got any ideas of how to meaningfully support the SW hobbist ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:40 phf: ben_vulpes: official trb releases touch many files to tie them all into a single endpoint, e.g. `makefile' did that

phf: ben_vulpes: official trb releases touch many files to tie them all into a single endpoint, e.g. `makefile' did that ☟︎

ben_vulpes: so far the solutions i see are a) mircea_popescu's "what tree, all patches must descend linearly or be reground into linearity" 2) allow for pressing heads that do not touch the same files

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 17:52 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?

diana_coman: ben_vulpes, he started sounding too much like mpi-insane

ben_vulpes: where's your holiday spirit, diana_coman

danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, got your package! ty

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye aye

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 17:02 mircea_popescu: because it will cost someone's time to reconcile.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 13:32 zen_: i have a case of chocolate truffles

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 13:30 BingoBoingo: zen_: Quien es su papa y que se hace el?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 01:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758589 << i don't get what the problem is. write a patch that modifies the filebase into the shape you want it to be. what's the problem ?

BingoBoingo: zen_: Also do you have a blog, or any links to work which might impress the republic?

BingoBoingo: zen_: ^

BingoBoingo: zen_: No, it means you have that long to make a case for sticking around

BingoBoingo: zen_: Quien es su papa y que se hace el? ☟︎

deedbot: zen_ voiced for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: !!up zen_

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 22:55 ben_vulpes: that don't touch the same file

ben_vulpes: the specifics of this case is that increase_aggression_levels touches *only* net.cpp and excise_hash_truncations touches a whole lotta stuff but *not* net.cpp ☟︎

ben_vulpes: i baked the vpatch i'm working on by pressing to excise_hash_truncation which only works accidentally, as v.pl presses both leaves at that level (first increase_aggression_levels and then excise_hash_truncation); but i don't see a route to producing a vpatch stitching together excise_hash_truncation and increase_aggression_levels without doing something that v doesn't support like pressing multiple heads

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu: because an ideal v wouldn't apply both increase_aggression_levels and excise_hash_truncation when pressing excise_hash_truncation, how do i make another vpatch depend on both of those without needlessly touching a file changed in excise_hash_truncations to make increase_aggression_levels depend on it or vice versa?

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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: those who are only interested in transmitting voice -- may as well be rust hobbyists

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 18:10 mircea_popescu: have you read eg http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?

a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: danielpbarron was last seen in #trilema 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <danielpbarron> oh hah, that's way off huh

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:34 ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia

a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 12:41 mircea_popescu: phf who the fuck is some tool named david know or have to say about "ruble" anyway

a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 15:14 phf: and for those who'd like an even deeper david rabbit hole, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/David_Gerard and https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Arkady, i am otherwise tapping out. first article of the day, and i've already had enough

phf: ^ http://btcbase.org/patches/ben_vulpes_increase_aggression_levels

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6 phf mircea_popescu trinque and phriendz: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000283.html

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation ☝︎

ben_vulpes: in other random lols: 2017-12-25_02:27:44.00324 version message: version 70013, blocks=0

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: am looking more for "open throttle to max airflow" knob than holographic stickers to increase hp

mircea_popescu: it's a complicated topic, ben_vulpes ; do not expect "this one weird trick" cures.

ben_vulpes: i'll have to look into how block height is advertised but that makes sense mircea_popescu

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that could in theory be once and never after for long-running and stable connections

trinque: mircea_popescu: lovely, any holiday worth a shit has explosions.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nice going.

shinohai: ben_vulpes: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/cann.jpeg

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 23:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758208 << you could cloak it, for what that's worth. ask in #freenode, takes an hour or w/e.

ben_vulpes: pflol well after excising max_outbound_connections and the one-connection-per-block connection count now at 114 and node very quickly got back up to date

mircea_popescu: ben_vules srsly, you misspelled your own name ?

ben_vulpes: let's try again: i misnamed the seal for the truncation patch, must have "ben_vulpes" in the last period-delimited field of the seal name instead of "ben_vules"

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html

ben_vulpes: while i wait for the mailing list to process my latest note, please note that the sig attached in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 needs renaming to `ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig' ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:35 ben_vulpes: absurdly common