asciilifeform: ey assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.'
asciilifeform: 'Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful—the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. Th
asciilifeform: the 'and then lied' thing (as reflected in earlier quote) is used to add a zero or two to the 'potential prison time' and make the chump play ball ('plea bargain')
asciilifeform: 1) find an idiot 2) cultivate his (or her!) idiocy in a 'terrorist'-flavoured direction 3) arrest, trial 4) profit
asciilifeform: this is, without exception, how it works
asciilifeform: 'She is accused of telling an undercover FBI agent that she could help facilitate sending somebody to join the ISIS fight in Syria, and she then lied to FBI agents about it.'
asciilifeform: was anyone able to load the court document re: isiswoman ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are very few men teaching history in usa primary school level.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing you dug up is some kind of appreciation award for schoolteachers. in usa 'social studies' is what they (for no reason i know of, despite being there) renamed 'history/geography' class in primary school.
asciilifeform: if not for the cultural wall, whole planet would be banging on the caliph's door
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as if it were not obvious as daylight.
asciilifeform: only reason usg still bothers with juries, is that they can generally be relied on to play ball, and this state of affairs is reasonably simple to maintain.
asciilifeform: known to a million people, but jury selection is typically such that they never sit
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said, iirc, 'they want to be boiled in oil'
asciilifeform: 'Compared to Stuxnet, the state-sponsored malware whose creators have never been confirmed, the recently-discovered trojan...' << wtf. confirmed as daylight.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the west gate fell. all is lost.' that one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also tied in to your 'then the centurion walks in, a different kind of man' story.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. in the words of herr kokkarinen: 'modern hipster is not being rogered, because the cock is entering ironically(tm)'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i brought it up on account of 'orcs' rather than gulag. what orcs look like to human.
asciilifeform: jurov: u.s. gulag system, afaik, is merely an expensive waste of time, like their aircraft carriers.
asciilifeform: the one with 'height of the tallest building' ?
asciilifeform: to a 'human', what can be more revolting than an 'orc.' now where was that prison film review by mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: but 'orcs suck and should simply kill themselves instead of sullying the planet with their stench' is not a historical argument.
asciilifeform: there is also the 'they're idiot orcs' construction. which isn't even false, because, well, orcs.
asciilifeform: ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked.☟︎
asciilifeform: undata: basic mechanics here. peasants do not actually need the city-dwellers for anything (at least at the ru circa 1917 tech level.) why should they feed them, if asked nicely? and why would they wish to move to the city and waste away in factories, merely if asked nicely?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the land of 'soft power' - soft gulag. (almost inevitably hands want to say 'soft cocks' also.)
asciilifeform: there is every reason to expect this behaviour from future meat grinders.
asciilifeform: jurov: incidentally, the most well-founded historical model of gulag etc. i know of is - that meat grinder was built, and became the proverbial 'self-licking icecream cone' after running short on the designated feedstock. a la french rev.
asciilifeform: jurov: and realize that the blowback from present-day usg idiocy will make lenin et. al. look reasonable and gentle. see earlier thread re: isis.
asciilifeform: jurov: try to see the difference between 'i like kolkhoz' and 'what they did, made sense'.
asciilifeform: jurov: amateur gardens, yes. the traditional 100 sq. metres.
asciilifeform: lol, that my drunken compatriots could not fend for themselves, is as obvious as gravity.
asciilifeform: jurov: feel free to travel back in time and teach lenin et. al. how to retain sovereignty for their country (that is, no colonization, no cultivation of dependence on hostile west) without, well, the cost.
asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: available to whom? at what cost? tractors dropped from sky on demand?
asciilifeform: undata: in the general, 'malthusian' case - where could it possibly go?
asciilifeform: mass upheavals plus labour-intensive agriculture -> famine, generally
asciilifeform: detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management
asciilifeform: this always bugged me. somehow folks think that starving to death under czar was like dying of co poisoning in a mercedes to the tune of classical music, but starving in ussr is starving in a dumpster with broken glass.
asciilifeform: jurov: meat tends to trim self if left to own devices. spitting on gulag while cheering, say, czar's famines, is like the folks who 'love small business and despise megacorps' here in usa. poorly thought out logic.
asciilifeform: jurov: aha, shrinking. but you implied that this is a problem.
asciilifeform: jurov: what, exactly, do we need exponentially growing meat mass for ?
