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a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 02:15 asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive invocation, wtf
asciilifeform: you can't 'similar to the original' , it would BE the original
asciilifeform: ( and it ain't even over yet )
asciilifeform: ( and it ain't an instance of 'compiler too smart for own good', either, but perfectly legitimate refusal to try to fill up the universe with your mistake )
asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive call because this'd be logically equiv. to making the program infinitely long
asciilifeform: gnat ain't supposed to unroll. at all.
mod6: yeah, ok, so the compiler can't determine the max depth to unroll when recursive
asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive invocation, wtf ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'this' being, if it wasn't obvious, the powerof2 constraint thing.
mod6: so you didn't get the 10%?
mod6: phf: fwiw, i don't see a111 in my current /names list.
asciilifeform: 'can't fight enemy who has outposts in your head' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: um. "The goal is to turn peaceful protests violent, and spark a Civil War." i don't get it, how is this a bad thing ?
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHM3nOhWsAA9PFB.jpg <<< Well they aren't wrong
danielpbarron: i did get a pm on tardtalk recently but i didn't log in to read it; just saw the notification email
BingoBoingo: They can't get those language abilities back
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't close -- braindead.
mircea_popescu: somehow this has evolved from "im an old woman, nobody wants to pay attention to me, let me nag people" to "don't stare at the sun" to "omfg SUN IS DANGEROUS!" and it will never fucking end.
asciilifeform: but if it isn't obvious why :
asciilifeform: d00dz seem to be physically incapable of grasping a point by induction ( even the skyscrapers , apparently, didn't help... )
asciilifeform: ( you don't have blast, recall, must rely on frags )
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't have to be fast or anything. nor does it need payload.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, if you have satellite you already have internet ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: these ain't hard to calculate
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:50 mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
asciilifeform: can't just say 'sorry , can't do that here'
mircea_popescu: and if your key isn't 2^n, further computers will wreak havoc on deployed code by requiring non-dividing Ns.
mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:44 mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware.
asciilifeform: it is idiocy and i won't countenance it.
mircea_popescu: and then why can't we use 32 bit aritm on 64 bit machine ?
mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care" ☟︎
asciilifeform: and won't work in ffa.
asciilifeform: that ain't divisible by 64
asciilifeform: 1) replace termination condition with a mux that starts discarding new results of iteration in favour of old, at iteration T and after
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, wouldn't it be len(factorial)/log(len(factorial)) ? :D
asciilifeform: you wouldn't want a mb of anything in ffa tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean the disk size of the 8ball, i mean the size of the largest prime in it
asciilifeform: you wouldn't use it alone , lol!!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697566 << don't you just love it how the implication is that your item they broke was "somehow" at fault ? it's not "we pushed a buggy piece of shit into your item and thereby broke it". not ever. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the other thing, you don't need ANY trial-divisions in the prelude to miller-rabin, IF you have a constant-time gcd
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. can't stop the bits from leaking; can however simply let the owner of an account know every time something happens, so he can yell at me before I do the next batch of withdrawals if he didn't do it.
mircea_popescu: but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432B << does this render the question of whether T leaked user 1's otp to user N moot? if so I'm not seeing it yet. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
mike_c: stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, ok. couldn't recall.
mod6: i've been optimistic though; know you've been busy. don't hesitate to drop us a line tho!
mircea_popescu: well, glad to hear you didn't get shot after all!
mike_c: i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything" ☟︎
phf: so this possibly invalidates my original thesis of "wreckers in sbcl!11" i just haven't spent as much time there as i have under other implementations
phf: asciilifeform: nah, there certainly aren't secrets (that i know). i don't know what's been written on the subject, but clearly everything's obvious to dedicated observers. my point is that some things are purview of journalists and historians.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:31 phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697299 << if i were keeping seekrits for a mega-quisling, i at least wouldn't advertise, lol ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Well, apparently they aren't incensed enought to start delivering missives on this word crime to Lafond.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 20:47 phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot")
phf: it's particularly annoying, because sometimes you want to do a localized subtle functional modification while preserving the signature and it won't "let" you
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks. ☝︎☟︎
phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: he didn't get nearly as close.
mircea_popescu: the world doesn't understand how the world works.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-12 00:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's quite plainly the mark of ascendancy. "demonstration" aka "here's proof you can't enforce the law on us", and appropriation, aka, "we think more than you and therefore your symbols aren't yours in any meaningful sense".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in herdemocracy, "Life is a scam if you don't luck out to become super rich."
mircea_popescu: "It's only a matter of time before one of the Trident submarines are lost. HMS Vanguard a Trident submarine makes an appearance in the book for the deep depth incident. The submarine exceeded 300 meters (safe depth is 65meters). They under estimated the weight of the submarine and didn't have enough speed for the Aft-planes to create raise. The further the submarine descended the more the weight of the submarine increased due
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's quite plainly the mark of ascendancy. "demonstration" aka "here's proof you can't enforce the law on us", and appropriation, aka, "we think more than you and therefore your symbols aren't yours in any meaningful sense". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: guess what... "I don't see the appeal of startups at all. I have never been a gambler. big companies allow me to get paid well while not really doing much work A++"
mircea_popescu: greek doesn't have this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 0 shits given, becoming "more subtle" does not help the cattle empire. if the blunt didn't work, the sharp is a lulz.
asciilifeform: can't seem to find it in l0g
mircea_popescu: but then again usg fronts don't need a good plan, they just need A PLAN. something, at all. idiots don't read.
ben_vulpes: isn't the practicality of reorg a function of segwitolade sum?
mircea_popescu: exactly the same play. oh, we "buy" bitcoin crash. if it takes, it's good. if it doesn't take, guess what, segwit unroll later.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be trhe first time usg's criminal entreprise front pulled this scam.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i wouldn't go so far as to say they pulled it off
ben_vulpes: and you know, "if i ain't fuckin you, i ain't fixin your head neither"
mircea_popescu: tungsten is comparable mass isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't by any means aim to produce an exhaustive or practical list!
asciilifeform: if it falls on you - yes detectable. on xray in a man-sized arch, hidden in a snatch - detectable. from river - can't picture how.
asciilifeform: the index won't read by trb.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:46 edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:35 edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space
trinque: as currently derped, yep, "segwit" shouldn't mean a damn thing to bitcoin proper.
edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted? ☟︎
trinque: edivad: don't ask to ask.
edivad: ok perfect, the third time that i've restarted the node there weren't no problem at all
mod6: <+edivad> i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space << oh sure. I didn't even think to ask. Next time I will.
edivad: the 1st) when i started for the first time TRB, he was bitching that myip=something wasn't present on my .conf. Is this a TRB specific requirement?
edivad: that precious indexed database, with hours of CPU time on his shoulders, won't be mixed with dirty system files
edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space ☟︎
asciilifeform: most don't even bother with this pretense. http://archive.is/GNrtB is a more typical idiocy
mircea_popescu: doesn't keep him from complaining about it, so worth an ask.
asciilifeform: and i ain't about to introduce any.
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to know it's there, your code with your entire machine could be emulated later (a la bolix on chip say) and you'd suddenly be weak, even if you deliberately included no cache.
mircea_popescu: it's always been a major lulz for me that the same idiots howling about "don't reuse addresses -- it makes usg's pretense of defungibilizing bitcoin that less tenable" never happened to ever mention "don't deterministic wallets, it's on the level of cesar cipher homebrew".
edivad: can i read something about lattice? i haven't understood well the message