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asciilifeform: ( the most obvious down-side is : that now you can end up in a situation of asking someone ~for change~ -- as if you were in a shop, in meatspace ... )
asciilifeform: so you thereby solve fragging.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:10 mircea_popescu: the (false!) theory that the bitcoin unit of account is the 0.00000001 btc or satoshi is based on the batshit insane theory that a system could ever be devised that would track 21 million hundred million individual 512byte outputs.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619935 << incidentally it now occurs to me that danielpbarron's vectorized-coin solves this problem. (picture the quantized an-addr-is-born-when-a-block-is-mined-and-changes-hands-via-sigs scheme, from old thread; but with the twist that you can mine a variety of different sizes of coin. which remain fixed at selfsame size for all of eternity; they merely change owners.) ☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EEDA92A01CD1A089989EA1C9D2118859D5A4D0D8251D532BE5C5ECA6BFD0ADE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...1463 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.19.216.3 (ssh-rsa key from 212.19.216.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cmail2.intouch.net. NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EEDA92A01CD1A089989EA1C9D2118859D5A4D0D8251D532BE5C5ECA6BFD0ADE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...1157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.19.216.3 (ssh-rsa key from 212.19.216.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cmail2.intouch.net. NL)
asciilifeform: variable-width tx, the 'gift' that 'keeps on giving' !
asciilifeform: it also evicts cache entries, so that the ~next~ block can take 8, and the next..
asciilifeform: as if it were not sad enough to have a block that takes ~12 minutes (!) to save,
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 14:52 asciilifeform: in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache.txt << the cache thing, to current time
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://archive.is/Rw5QK << 'The "Beat the Boss phone" is an £27 micro-telephone built into a Bluetooth headset with only trace amounts of metal in its construction; it is lozenge-shaped and is designed to be rectally smuggled into prisons, jails and courtrooms.'
asciilifeform: likewise, in sect. 6 i ought to have explicitly stated that Z is a sig that covers not only I,O,C,F,Q but also T. perhaps this is evident to alert reader - but ought to have been explicit.
asciilifeform: specifically, in section 5, where we have T'_i = H(T_i) ought to read instead : T'_i = H(A'_i+T_i).
asciilifeform: ~now~ the cask-chain is a proper, nonpromisetronic chain, cemented in the end by the leaf's seal.
asciilifeform: it ought to have read : H(T0+A0+H(T1+A1+H(...)))
asciilifeform: in the original text, a leaf signs ticket that was made from H(T(H(T(....))) . this is disastrously wrong, because it does not cement the relays' payment addrs into the final signed tx
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu to revisit upstack : there is a serious mistake in my casks.txt , that i did not spot until now:
mircea_popescu: and in today's ancient trilema installment, http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
mircea_popescu: in random lulz : tje original "gone wild" reference comes from dorky ny judge who condemned deep throat. "a sodom gone wild before the fire".
mircea_popescu: same exact nonsense, "i'll talk about things i don't know"
mircea_popescu: bout the same thing, occupy wallstreet, black lives matter, student choice in education, i will fix bitcoin,
mircea_popescu: which is why the example given was "bigger tits" not "niunamenos"
asciilifeform: just as it is healthy to grasp, e.g., euclid, before you go on to lobachevskyate.
mircea_popescu: rather the correct cut is that they get to define it physically, rather than consciously.
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : it is entirely healthy for kidz to 'redefine what means washing' ~when they grow up~. but not while they are nonwashing 5yo.
mircea_popescu: for instance : the younger sluts grow bigger tits than used to be the norm. they redefine it alright.
mircea_popescu: from here to "no input whatosever" is a length.
mircea_popescu: they can't mature on their own ; nor can they construct a working society on their own. this is neither shocking nor worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: this is not a fair statement. modern "western world" / "our democracy" is what you get when girls are ineptly forced to shoulder the WHOLE task.
mircea_popescu: how could the kids not redefine what fucking means ?
asciilifeform: i for one do not much care whether they 'take remedial class remedial in washing' in a specially-designated leprosorium , or in mircea_popescu's cellar; just for so long as the non-washers do not get to redefine what washing means.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 15:53 mircea_popescu: "to advance it is at serious odds with the massive glorification of youth. As marketing found itself unable to expand without encroaching upon our childhood, the intense drive to capture the minds of the youngest among us has tended to make people believe that 30 years of experience can be replaced by the young looks of rank novices. This is made worse by the management schools that make it possible for people who have yet
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582699 << thread ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: naggum had a thing or two re subj.
asciilifeform: sorta was the original point of a school, neh. a reasonably safe reservation where 'chix who have not yet learned to wash' can lean to wash, without creating dangers to self and others. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent - deepthroat, a movie of dubious pornographic merits, was produced by the mob and released through the mob's own wot. that you saw it in the 70s meant you were cool, period and full stop. even if you saw it in between gangbangs as an american version of carol.)
mircea_popescu: ceteris paribus i'd rather take a clueless teen than the confused twentysomething she naturally produces.
mircea_popescu: there's a dubious romanian film, "the death of mr lazarescu", in which a very professional doctor sends the orderlies to take the man out for a half hour spin until his subdural hematoma has progressed to a state where it's worth his scalpel.
asciilifeform: imho it is not unreasonable to ask that kid save up his coinz until tx fee doesn't dwarf his payload. just as it is not unreasonable to ask chick to grow before qualifying for mircea_popescuation.
mircea_popescu: and similarily with math, and with other things. there's some leakage.
mircea_popescu: the girlies that didn't get to see deepthroat but worshipped "stars".
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:33 mircea_popescu: you would be surprised how many girls have to be taught how to wash.
mircea_popescu: to make the story round, alf : there is ample record, not just re antinisca nemour's stinky feet, but in general regarding the women of the 70s and before. they didn't wash. what i have to deal with today in say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537246 is the tail end of a half century process that BEGAN with exactly this, "sharing the fruits of industry", in this case hollywood, with people unfit to make the wot lists. all ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (it is also in the end the mother-father distinction ; mother permits at least some interaction on the infant's own terms.)
asciilifeform: let'em interact, on your terms.
mircea_popescu: it is one thing to not permit the infantile to interact with you ~on their own terms~. this, i wholeheartedly support. it is quite another thing however to not permit the ifnantile to interact with you at all. this is insupportable.
mircea_popescu: eventually you will find that something somewhere still heats your room.
mircea_popescu: for the other side of the matter, if you never take dumb 15 yos out for a night on the town, whence the crop of 19yo accomplished cocksuckers is to come ?
mircea_popescu: this for one side of the matter.
asciilifeform: if it i buy a new, more efficient cpu, that heats the room less with each cycle, but the gained cycles are used to maintain the self-delusion of redditors -- this is a loss, not a gain !
asciilifeform: i for one would actually rather that my cpu heat the room , than handle redditor's pissdusttx.
asciilifeform: this was the mega-lesson of industrial era, neh.
asciilifeform: thing is, there is no good reason to assign the cake that a tech improvement yields, to the stinking poor.
mircea_popescu: the limit on "smallest bitcoin payment" is very emphatically NOT in the user's hands.
mircea_popescu: the solution is either an improvement in the technology (such as, going from bdb to bfs as discussed here etc), which will lower it somewhat, or otherwise the indicated : stop being poor.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: practically speaking on current tech the bitcoin unit of account is probably something like 0.25
mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619936 : idiotcy like spending a fraction of this "technological unit of account" is currently punished by high relative fees like the case of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619097 "oh noes i tried to pay 25 bux, ended up charged 6%". ☝︎☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D811C6AAB183D8651D006FEFC43E6E027A4EA5DF7DCF24505D01850BFE9B6465 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1634...1607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.174.228.145 (ssh-rsa key from 95.174.228.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (145-228-174-95-pool.cable.fcom.ch. CH BE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D811C6AAB183D8651D006FEFC43E6E027A4EA5DF7DCF24505D01850BFE9B6465 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...3313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.174.228.145 (ssh-rsa key from 95.174.228.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (145-228-174-95-pool.cable.fcom.ch. CH BE)
asciilifeform: i proposed a mechanism with minimal somethingtoallcomers, and correctly-balanced, imho, incentives. it remains to other folx, to ~dispose~, neh.
asciilifeform: perhaps not the best analogy. i make rifle, and monkey uses it for hammer, he has nfi where is the trigger or which end is the business end -- monkey's problem , not mine.
mircea_popescu: "but if i make mircoscope, and monkeys - use it for a hammer - what's to do."
asciilifeform: the original bitcoin is the m.
mircea_popescu: so you're in favour of the m design rather than the ak.
asciilifeform: iirc even satoshi lived long enough to barf.
asciilifeform: granted, the stupidity of users knows no limit. at least i for one do not know its limit. but if i make mircoscope, and monkeys - use it for a hammer - what's to do.
asciilifeform: and his place will be taken by a miner who knows that a miner's place is on his knees, in the kitchen.
asciilifeform: the castration of the miner, for other. if he bitbetates, he can be nailed.
mircea_popescu: from the fixed txn ?
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear to me how such a thing is an improvement over "just run your current trb through the future gossipd"
asciilifeform: to wind it up, the casks algo is asciilifeform's attempt at the 'high vacuum pump' from earlier -- to get the max possible removal of something-to-allcomers element , to the extent possible without running an entirely closed wotronic system (and consequently turning into visa or swift) ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's in teh logs.
asciilifeform can picture this.
mircea_popescu: incredibly, mindblowingly, the dog's expression was EXACTLY that of a very bored girlfriend/wife. how the fuck is this even possbile is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: i used to think this is principally a figure of speech, then i saw a dude fucking a misfortunate husky.
asciilifeform: what can i say, tastes vary..
mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose that's why you never went to any wash dc orgies. but lots of people find the promise sufficient.
asciilifeform: and the existence of some public pissoire that will necessarily accept a given piss of mine, is promisetronic
asciilifeform: i have 0 fondness for the mempool, it is 99% rubbish, and uniquely retarded means of accomplishing what it was meant to accomplish
mircea_popescu: people LIKE stranger's skin, way the fuck more than they like their spouses.
asciilifeform: an item i forgot entirely to mention in the original piece.
mircea_popescu: "marriage gives real bang for the buck, like the complete abolition of foam parties and blindfold orgies"
asciilifeform: recall, this is not a decorative item, it gives very real bang-for-the-buck -- for instance, the complete abolition of the idiocy known as mempool
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : 90% of design work must be spent in the above loop.)
mircea_popescu: what odds do you give it this entire infrastructure of detectable unopposable broken promisery will be jetissoned at first opportunity by everyone involved ?
asciilifeform: the savings in mass may justify this.
asciilifeform: all of the various types of broken promises, would still be detectable, but 1) strictly to those whom they immediately affected and 2) unopposably.
asciilifeform: those who were issued H(H(....)) of the outputs of Q, will see whether what they got rolled corresponded to one of these, or was a sham; or that they were rolled a particular ticket, but it ended up carrying ~someone else's~ tx as cask fill.
asciilifeform: the miner's publication of W in the block will suffice then.
asciilifeform: it is not strictly necessary to transmit rsa-signed tickets (and then store the bulky stuff in casks for all time.) if you are content to have promise-keeping be ~measurable~ at each particular level of the pyramid, and to the children and parents of that level strictly, and that it not be opposable -- then you do not in fact need these signatures
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:31 mircea_popescu: a seventh and final problem : you now constructed a chain of casks, on top of the blockchain. consider what happens if node fails to keep his ENTIRE history of casks EVER issued : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613884
asciilifeform: which brings us to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619776 : ☝︎
asciilifeform: whereas here you can keep tabs on kept/unkept promises.
asciilifeform: with unmeasurable and hidden failures, most egregiously, selective mining of tx.
mircea_popescu: but bitcoin is a lot more promiscuous about it. you want marriage, bitcoin does the "handjob in theatre / quick fuck alley behind bar" thing
asciilifeform: only 1 pill against this - meet people.
asciilifeform: 'what if i know no nodes' was a problem there as well.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:24 mircea_popescu: a sixth, also major problem is that the system offers no serious guarantees to the user. think of some situations : a) i mined some bitcoin back in 2011, today i clean out the closed and boot up old laptop, to check out the tits and bits of ex gf who was back then hot and heavy into me. i jack off, and then snoop around and find a bitcoin wallet with ~500 btc in it. i go to spend it... and discover... that i know no nodes...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619766 << classical bitcoin likewise makes 0 guarantees to the user. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think the notion is generallyt accepted, under the broad heading "bitcoin is a prototype"