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ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you have a provisional statement for october?
BingoBoingo: Pray the auction winner is willing to settle in BTC, or see if Eulora has a text client. In the worst case locally source or junkyard wars a Eulorable machine.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dja even have a eulora acct ?
trinque: "this is a real person, proved not by our marketing blather but by link straight to the man's letters"
BingoBoingo: But, yeah that is definitely a solid idea
trinque: I didn't know it was offline, but at any rate, would make the mention of "remote hands" a hell of a lot more meaningful
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ty, Rockchip tested a success
BingoBoingo: Prior to September 7th, zero Pizarro Bitcoin was in the deedbot wallet. The payment of the Foundation colo invoice was the first Pizarro transaction outside of payments as a customer/wildcatter. Outside of deedbot I am holding 0.20113128 BTC Pizarro carryover BTC from the BBISP days.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/frances-macron-nationalism-is-a-form-of-treason/ << Qntra - France's Macron: Nationalism Is A Form Of Treason
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do in a bit, got some news of the world to cover
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll take the standard F image. Will walk over now to place the drive and ping when I get back. Will move imaged drive to the Rockchip during a later walk.
deedbot: Invoiced bvt 0.00266666 << Shared Hosting one month + third of a month prorated to regularize billing cycle
BingoBoingo: !!invoice bvt 0.00266666 Shared Hosting one month + third of a month prorated to regularize billing cycle
BingoBoingo: But, kind of a benefit of putting the information in the light is that this stuff gets spotted
asciilifeform: if you have a 'cassette' that contains some unknown number of variably-sized gibblets, e.g. bitcoin block, yer stuck with some form of stream (either ada's, or hand-sewn replacement, tho so far i am actually happy with ada's and see no need to sew replacement)
asciilifeform: ( there's nuffin magic about 'stream' per se, it's just a thing that eats and shits bytes and has an internal fill-position counter )
diana_coman: perhaps if the structures and protocol were way hairier than they there, the gains would be worth it - but in such case I'm not sure it wouldn't point to a need to simplify rather than a need for streams or some such
BingoBoingo: Well, I am about to set far enough away to grab a big chunk of meat, or maybe some shrimp and savor this delicious pile of tedium in front of me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I will let you know when it's done. I have a poor eye for what would be enough to programmatize from
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: don't forget to send those invoices when you get a chance today. << Since I am elbow deep in the customer information today, I plan to fire off the invoices as soon as things are polished up.
BingoBoingo: Update: I have hit a groove on a consistent style for the customer account information. I am going to stretch the legs and look for some non-chocolate food soon. For a preview, here is the style as applied to the S.MG and S.NSA accounts - http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mVzN6/?raw=true
mod6: BingoBoingo: don't forget to send those invoices when you get a chance today.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma work with BingoBoingo + ben_vulpes to get the spreadshit aligned & published; mod6 meanwhile srsly spend some time in a hammock
asciilifeform: ( it's a supremely relaxy place, asciilifeform recommends a+++ )
asciilifeform: mod6: consider srsly also BingoBoingo's earlier suggestion, of a coupla wks of low-stress vacation in BingoBoingostan
mod6: ben_vulpes: While we're at it, BingoBoingo reminded me that xmas time is upon us, and it might be a very good time to start shopping for some Pizarro hardware with those amazon credits you're holding. Just a reminder.
mod6: In my mind, the Republic isn't just a bunch of individuals - at the low level, of course, we are. But we're here for something greater than ourselves, and that is what drives all of us to put time and money into.
mod6: I will take some time to think it over, but this past year has taken a tremendous toll on my physical and mental health. I'm not doing right by myself, my family or the republic. I always said that I wanted to do the Republic as my main thing in life (outside family), but as I've said before, we're just not quite there yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: you're a good man, and i trust you, and i know as a matter of fact my trust's not misplaced. we absolutely have to either adjust you to the tasks you have or the tasks you have to you, however, because there's simply no way to maintain trustworthyness on the long haul while capacity-activity mismatch is ongoing.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: can you ~believe~ how much like something you'd read on tardstalk "investments" your workproduct ends up ?! and this in 2018 ? why, because you've been secretly saving it through a time capsule, insulated from review, all this time ?! god almighty, last thing i want is the yahoo peterl-ism of 2013 perpetuated a second past the end of that year.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870991 << ah yes, what a time it was tho! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: you can't really be the head of the foundation as a guy who monthly publishes a page of .txt on a website somewhere ; you can't really be the board of the isp as a guy who comes up with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858303 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839737 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846185 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825070
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870981 << You're right, I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not doing a good job on either. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: it seems to me inescapably the case that you have not been putting either enough time or enough thought into this, and continuing in like manner for year upon year. the inescapable result was accumulation, of exactly the wrong kind : every day you personally grew a little smaller than your image in the forum, and compensating for the difference drew, as any other credit, upon your capacities to service, until eventually the g
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: mod6 after a night's meditation, I still don't see a direct solution for your problem.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but i will add, e.g. rk draws (and emits as heat naturally) ~7watt on a bad day. << On this note new heavy metal rockchip drives were still cool to the touch when I visited the rack yesterday
asciilifeform: imho it is entirely feasible , in principle, to bake these such that a usg.thief (or whatever other species) wins only a few hundy's worth of rusty irons, if he steals.
asciilifeform: a 20kg crate can carry enuff battery to power rk and any modems for ~week of mains outage.
asciilifeform: but i will add, e.g. rk draws (and emits as heat naturally) ~7watt on a bad day.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today
asciilifeform: ( e.g. , on my shelf i have a little demo with solid state gyro, lights a 'bang yer dead' symbolic lamp if picked up and moved ~half metre, but not if desk kicked / small earthquake )
asciilifeform: incidentally, unmanned 'dc in flat' is imho a potential useful application for ciphered/zeroized-on-disturbance hdd item discussed some wks ago. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture << This and those surprise power cycling of dulap I/II (I forget the dulap version history)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When you return let me know if you have a preferred manner for hashing salted customer strings
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871158 << it isn't clear to me that hashing is even needed -- issue to each customer a 256bit string (base64 it) out of a FG, that will be his pseudonym in the public spreadshit. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll admit to having had this problem in the past, i read so much l0gz that they work into dreams when i sleep << My worst nighmares have involved text scrolling in a window
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i betcha you're conflating my confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809642 with there being a program written. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i'ma crib a method from mircea_popescu : ben_vulpes how long do ya think you need to say ~whether you have info~ for us to work with
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It could be a bitflip.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 04:16 mod6: Ok, so I'm gonna call it a night. What I do know at this point is the ``surplus'' that we're seeing in the statements goes back at least through the August report. However, I'm not even certain at this point if what I'm seeing is actually incorrect, as I said earlier. Or if I just don't understand what I'm looking at. There's a strong chance that I just don't understand it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am vehehehery confused nao; i definitely recall a common lisp tabulator thing with numberz
mircea_popescu: i certainly can see the narrative that goes "first, the task was to add 6 and 8 and 11 ; then ben_vulpes wanted to take some hours to print out an adhesive 25 to paste on a box we'd therefore call computer ; then mod6 took a few days to complicatedly add by hand to 24 and 26 and so on". it's still a 0.3 second job, harsh mistress experiences notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: there's merit to automating things ; but a strict inability to do basic accounting results in and fosters the development of serious other problems. such as a strict inability to plan.
ben_vulpes: it takes quite a bit of time, and is full of manual ops, missteps on any of which foul the whole thing. my inclination is always to automate these and sweat the correctness of the automation instead of the correctness of the process again and again.
ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem" ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 15:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871118 << i never used a program. i documented and shared the accounting process with mod6 when i took sabbatical. i lack the log link atm but here's a copy of my original instructions http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8YtMo/?raw=true ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When you return let me know if you have a preferred manner for hashing salted customer strings ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture << This and those surprise power cycling of dulap I/II (I forget the dulap version history) ☟︎
asciilifeform: cuz then all you really need is a mains socket.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while we're on 'fyootoor techs' : i suspect that a working radio net would make 'robo-pizarro' a substantially moar practical notion. ( i.e. if 'cage' could in just about anywhere, not necessarily 'dc' )
asciilifeform: ( it worked, in certain sense of 'worked', for bitcoin -- but it is not only a quite narrow problem set, but very diff affair in re process latency than what folx generally expect of 'server' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing prevents "irene" the bot from hiring such a cage.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform strongly suspects that the idea of replacing '2 strong oxen with 1024 chickens' in the ~general case~ is a perpetuum mobile. witness the heathens and their 'cloudism' , it is a circus )
asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.
asciilifeform: prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a good % of isp is sadly not automatable with present tech. but spreadshit is not one of'em
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was ben_vulpes's thing, and doesn't appear to be in the pgpball, was a separate communique, part of ben_vulpes's 'i'm off to the desert' msg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it is well advised to get to brass tacks and have a node and everything. and i fully agree that b is not here, nor is this anymore than a purely theoretical discussion.
mircea_popescu: btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871034 : i've ended up conflating two things i think and the result is confusing. so a) obviously as things stand now, and perfectly defensibly for an indefinite future the way to go is to pipe the result of !!balance into some publishatron ; however b) if and when pizarro decides to capitalize on its abundance of highly qualified personnel to create a "bitcoin isp software package", ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's a fucking disgrace , and i'm party to it, it happened on my watch. i'ma clear my calendar today, BingoBoingo plox to lemme know asap what you need on my end
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals) << There was a program?
mircea_popescu: all the http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/ are produced ~somehow~ you realise. this is the avenue they are produced : men who read cucks' notions and ideas about "how the world should be^H^H^H^H is"
mircea_popescu: dork in question literally thinks he "is helping make the world a better place" by "helping men" "understand" "women". in the sense of "understand" from "you have to understand" in http://trilema.com/2017/mimi-metallurgico-ferito-nellonore/#selection-91.19-95.2 ; and in the sense of "women" from "what pantsuited hilarities all over boston would like to pretend the fillies are and do". very much something of the blood and bone
asciilifeform: i dun expect nigerian 419 'prince' actually thinks he ~is~ a prince
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i guarantee you there's a pete dushenski somewhere pen-on-paper-ing them.
mircea_popescu: but do you remember the 70s, back when people honestly thought "equal partnerships" are possible, and even desirable among the genders, and there can be such a thing as "career women" and so on ? and they will be mated through the process of informing men "how to", as if men fucking give a shit, or ever possibly could ?
asciilifeform: ( i have a box here that is waiting for new-cuntoo.. )
asciilifeform: was it actually a hairball of glibcish dependencies ? or build cleanly
mircea_popescu: but he installed me a deluge on his cuntoo on my server to spec and a job very well done indeed.
mircea_popescu: a, before i forget -- trinque a++ consultant. i dunno what it is with the man, it's almost as if he earns his living doing this or something.
mircea_popescu: sure, so you have some secrets. nothing wrong with this. but you don't have half a mb of secrets, as you well point out.
asciilifeform: my concern is that this somehow snowballed to include half a MB of things that have no biznis being seekrit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ours, i think, is moar of a case of 'this is nice rifle, let's take it fishing', pgp offers temptation to 'cipher and then see later', i agree that it is dangerous.
mircea_popescu: imagine what a beauty of foresight and strategic superiority that'd have been, /me proceeds to hang linus on own petard for getting one, "but mp... pizarro also has ?"
mircea_popescu: nearly avoided getting a code of conduct, too!
mircea_popescu: you don't get the same benefit from not running a node ; nor from not knowing how to note-to-web.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the contact method's done like that for a very good reason -- to extrude people out of the zekshit.
mircea_popescu: pizarro could get fancy, run a publicly-advertised dedicated node, dumpblocks or w/e to get the txen, push them into mp-wp 100% automatically.
mircea_popescu: or a csv or w/e.
mircea_popescu: like it processes an image (in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870557 discussion) it can process a report too! there's hooks! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why can't you just use the normal upload process. give it a txt file and let it work.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with doing any way you're doing, pen, lisp, whjatever. but there's something massively wrong with doing it in such a way as to impedance mismatch you to the breaking point, wth. if pen works well then use pen, but IT THEN HAS TO WORK WELL. do not use if works ~poorly~ instead of well.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference! for one thing, i as well as anyone can tell the 2nd thing ENDS!!! it's not ongoing for fucking ever, who the fuck heard of this "planning with a halting problem" ?!
mircea_popescu: my plan looks like day 1 : look everywhere (no, that ~everywhere~ isn't a manner of speech) while taking breaks to ejaculate profanity and try and think wtf i did ; day 2 : hang all the servants maids etc in the dungeon and gets the hose again until i am satisfied by the account of each one as to how they've not lost my keys for me ; day 3 : get new keys, install webcams, gps trackers and etc."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, the 'legacy hairball' was actually a common lisp rewrite of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809743 item ( and iirc published here ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you're a good man, and i trust you, and i know as a matter of fact my trust's not misplaced. we absolutely have to either adjust you to the tasks you have or the tasks you have to you, however, because there's simply no way to maintain trustworthyness on the long haul while capacity-activity mismatch is ongoing. ☟︎