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assbot: its probably our friend 'little numbers' as i call him. he visited bitbet earlier for a moment.
Adlai: well, it looks like MPCD "failed" (the contract didn't fail, the shares "just" lost value) due to investing in what could be called "rockstar investors", who seem to make a habit of burning out spectacularly, taking half the fanbase with them
decimation: asciilifeform: re: our conversation about uav control systems: http://intercepts.defensenews.com/2014/10/why-air-force-drones-rely-on-horsehair-to-land/ << "That’s because the MQ-1/9 are controlled on Ku-Band, which has a two second delay back to the States ... Because of that, launch and recovery experts — trained specifically at Creech AFB for this part of the operation — are based much closer to the area of operations and
cazalla: asciilifeform, as much as i appreciate the translation (my primary school teacher died on mh17), it's a bit of a stretch for qntra to publish it as bitcoin news
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 03:56:49; asciilifeform: the correct solution is that (now unix-only) turdcoind will listen on a tty. serial tty.
Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me
Adlai is exponentially more likely to have read a log entry, according to the shortest path from the present moment back in time to the target entry, where b-a.com links are weighted roughly the same as simply reading backwards
thestringpuller: Adlai: cazalla has a media empire to run
assbot: Logged on 12-11-2014 00:20:12; mircea_popescu: i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin"
Adlai probably used the word "article" a little liberally there
Adlai: the article i linked looks just at confirmed transaction count, which is a narrow metric of all the stuff happening across the bitcoin network
ben_vulpes: Adlai: bitcoin days destroyed is a good correlation to check too
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923008 << a first step in some sort of appropriate direction could be http://organofcorti.blogspot.ru/2014/11/daily-and-weekly-bitcoin-transaction.html although that article doesn't go far enough for interesting results ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you know, jurov is actually a very talented historian.
bagels7: being a whore is > working minimum wage your whole life
mircea_popescu: like, gavin et all, should pay a daily fee to be allowed into the amusement park where they pretend like they matter
Adlai: dime a doze sounds closer to reality
ben_vulpes: yet somehow programmers are supposed to be a dime a doze?
mircea_popescu: Adlai this, because industry is increasingly a piece of shit.
mircea_popescu: there isn't some sort of "us" that could just as well be a standin for any of us.
ben_vulpes: mpoe is a goddamn mystery to me, Adlai.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: if anything, i'd have expected a surge as those who held mpoe bought more to balance their crypto holdings while accumulating more btc
Adlai: note that i'm asking less "why did mpoe drop" and more "what evidence supports a correlation as the explanation for the temporal coincidence?"
ben_vulpes: i suspect mpoe acts as a stand in for an mpex market fund
ben_vulpes: could just be momentum and a long dry spell on mpex
ben_vulpes: wasn't the last major mpoe action a big rally during the big btc rally?
mircea_popescu: undata you don't understand. siberia is a huge space, full of minerals they can't access because ice.
mircea_popescu: it needs more oil under a sheet of ice like kim kardashian needs more pubic hair.
undata: seems like the US and Russia are gradually building support for a very large war
undata: asciilifeform: the usgov can tag its own pentagon with a missile in broad daylight
Adlai: all this horseradish for just a file conversion!? http://www.zamzar.com/tos.php
ben_vulpes: well its a crappy coracle dammit
mircea_popescu: now if i only had a link to where it was put to rest, to pass along to undata
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: undata: this comes up here at least once a month, and i regret to say that it is mostly my own fault. <<< that it has a good response is mostly your fault. that it appears... it'd have appeared anyway.
ben_vulpes: i don't have a blockchain that wedges yet, nor have i reproduced the wedging point
mircea_popescu: enthusiasm is a sin.
mircea_popescu: s a conflict between enthusiasm and experience here.
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 is just a not unreasonable starting point for the project.
ben_vulpes: joecool: "reindexing" is something that gavin's fork does to find all of the transactions relevant to addresses in your wallet in a given blockchain.
Adlai envisions a method of automatically sussing out the wedge point, but it requires the use of automation tools...
joecool: ben_vulpes: will it reindex a pulled in blockchain or is it a necessity to pull in from start to finish?
ben_vulpes: i'm working to crap out a "blockchain" that i can use to test this wedge
thestringpuller: "There are no infinite loops in Ethereum because cycles cost currency and there is a finite amount of currency."
joecool: so there's a todo, is there a repo you guys are using or a a mailing list for patches?
ben_vulpes: the preference of "the community" for something that sorta-works across a broad spectrum of use cases
joecool: asciilifeform: i see, what exactly has been happening? were people expecting gavin to crap out a reference eventually or just keep adding BIP's and pile on the crap?
nubbins`: incidentally, you'll get a chance to check out pictures of my large-format binding work later this month
asciilifeform: at the moment - we don't have a reference.
asciilifeform: joecool: i don't believe that the current participants in turdatron really agree on what the ultimate end product should be (e.g., something like what conformal has, or a hardware implementation - what i want, etc.) but we do agree that a reference implementation is necessary before it even makes sense to ask the question.
ben_vulpes: is management of a single address not enough for you?
ben_vulpes: joecool: what's a wallet?
asciilifeform: 'A Roman divorced from his wife, being highly blamed by his friends, who demanded, "Was she not chaste? Was she not fair? Was she not fruitful?" holding out his shoe, asked them whether it was not new and well made. "Yet," added he, "none of you can tell where it pinches me."'
asciilifeform: Adlai: what is considered a secure stack for financial << this is like asking, 'what is considered a good wife'
assbot: A dangerous idea - serialized delusions
Adlai is curious what is considered a secure stack for financial sites, eg mpex
nubbins`: - if the project is deemed infeasible, 0.5 BTC (less tx fees) will be returned to a Bitcoin address specified by asciilifeform, no later than 2014-11-15.
asciilifeform: at least for a few min.
assbot: Logged on 09-04-2014 09:10:25; mircea_popescu: tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2013 00:40:16; asciilifeform: i can't help but imagine some fellow at Meta-NSA, with a pill against ECDSA hidden under a flower pot in his office, laughing his arse off at these morons.
Adlai: the lizard-hitler popular with my conspiracy friends has dabbled in history from a much earlier age
undata: this civilian bureaucracy is a skirt
assbot: 00:57:19asciilifeform:anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn? - Pastebin.com
undata: ushering in a dark age
undata: here's a doubling down of it: NSA intends to take over the hashing power of the network and implement coin validation
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2013 00:57:19; asciilifeform: anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn?
asciilifeform: undata: are you familiar with a figure called anatoly golitsyn?
undata: I don't see a reason to pull any plugs
undata: one can always suppose a reason why tonight's the night they come to get him
asciilifeform: undata: this comes up here at least once a month, and i regret to say that it is mostly my own fault.
Adlai: well, you can't convince another person you're not a martian. hell, i don't think i could convince myself that i'm not unwittingly carrying out martian bidding.
asciilifeform: and then how to convince others you are not a martian ?
undata: I'd observe it then try a clean re-implementation
asciilifeform: undata: picture the 0.5.3 turd as a piece of martian technology.
asciilifeform: well, you referred to 'trustworthiness' which is a thing we have not yet invented.
asciilifeform: right now it is a null word.
Adlai: of course, but the "manual trust verification" approach taken further would suggest only applying critical bugfixes, as patches, signed by the developer who wrote them (preferably with a signature published at the time of the fix, alternatively obtaining a signature in the present day... or manually verifying the patch's trustworthyness, and signing yourself)
undata: Adlai: there is a mountain of bugfixing to re-apply
asciilifeform: can't really argue that it's a great joy.
asciilifeform: it's a chore, yes
undata: it confirms you're a ploddingly simple mechanical device
asciilifeform: and a dependence on the machine to resolve questions which ought to be resolved by the mind, and thus kept 'light weight' enough to be easily resolved by the mind.
asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: there was a three-man system ☟︎☟︎
Adlai: wouldn't a better forking point be before any significant "crowd" involvement? cf https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors?from=2010-07-11&to=2011-04-27&type=c
asciilifeform: but don't be surprised if it is treated in the same way as the phoundation's original - at the very best, a place to steal bug fixes from.
asciilifeform: undata: if you want to understand the whole point of the fork, try to understand what you lose when you choose a vcs as a canonical representation.
asciilifeform: undata: you are perfectly welcome to use a vcs of whatever flavour appeals to you
asciilifeform: it's bad enough that we are dealing with a turd that is quite impossible to fully understand in the original.
Adlai: i'm going to stop talking before i sound like a broken record, but this topic is likely to come up again once i've got something more substantial to say in defense of some tool for easing (ie, partially automating, up to the point of confirming signature verification) this process... no guarantee on how soon that could be, or which tool.
undata: it's just a pain in the ass
undata: asciilifeform: the process you've demanded be manual is not nearly a hard enough hurdle to filter undesirables
asciilifeform: incidentally, esr had a piece on it.
Adlai: at least, not to a great degree... but i get the idea
Adlai: darcs isn't that intelligent. the input data it gets from a repository is a partially ordered list of patches, possibly signed. this is slightly more general than an ordered list of patches, but just as secure and interactive/manual
undata: asciilifeform: the process of producing a git commit is entirely dumb
asciilifeform: try to understand the nature of this 'nuke sub' and the pitfalls of tying one's fortune to 'darcs' or a similarly 'intelligent' instrument.
Adlai: a "conflict" would require a separate patch, which should be signed by the resolver
asciilifeform: (if you have a solution, geneticists would love to hear about it. 'sequence alignment' is ruinously expensive, in computational terms.)
Adlai: git commits to a specific state of code. what if it becomes evident that a specific developer was working to introduce bugs, and you only want to excise his patches? that has unbounded painfulness in git, but bounded painfulness in darcs.