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a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 14:23 mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily the real reason you want a client is that you can then install otr, which is a cryptographically secure plugin allowing you to have private conversations safe from any snoops. and that is good quality safety, not the sort of crud normally peddled.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p funny
a111: Logged on 2014-04-24 22:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loc == revenue' is simply this century's version of chinese/su 'moar steel, revenue!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had thread about musculature of pan troglodytes, where many fewer cells in the muscle than a man's, but he can tear the man in half. so even for an ordinary mechanical 'strength', counting mass is nonsense.
asciilifeform: this 'works' is a pestilence and is largely why clueful greybeards from the meat world , e.g., mircea_popescu , unzip and piss on programmers simply for sport ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 16:51 mircea_popescu: what, like a peptide synth ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yes.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: what's on your mind?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I was working for a startup a while ago - but they released toxic fumes into the air without a fume hood, so I quit.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 14:39 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : http://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliesportelli/2015/08/24/meet-the-millennials-crowdfunding-their-college-tuition no longer exists. do you suppose this is because a) it turned out that no idiot millenials tried this or b) because the scamsites pretending to be offering a service involved complained to the usg dept of scamsites which then passed a hitler note to the usg dept of scamnews ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the walker scheme doesn't seem too great. the theoretical objection is that it ~does~ introduce structure, through the convention that the walker moves from where it last moved. in practice though, run a few simulations over a 16bit message which you can then print as a 256x256 bitmap. your walker makes anthills basically.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 02:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/223991/%E2%80%98an-honest-conversation-is-scarier-than-sex%E2%80%99-for-millenials << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: you can generalize for n-dimensions, as mircea_popescu suggested earlier, similarly.
asciilifeform: whole point is to minimize the information conveyed to enemy by knowing about the, e.g., 'To: mircea_popescu' inside; and to maximize the consequences of a misguessed plaintext bit in a cryptoanalysis.
asciilifeform: so now mircea_popescu sees why i wanted a noncircular tape -- then the enemy knows nothing about the ultimate length of the output
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu's exercise might add up to an entire ~minute~...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg . ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu and others can probably think of some useful and interesting variations on this scheme.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gpg used PKCS #1 v1.5 (see rfc4880)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: PKCS - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKCS>; PKCS 12 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKCS_12>; PKCS 11 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKCS_11>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the extant schemes resolve to some variant of that. the problem is that ~all~ of them introduce structure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it can in principle be as short as 3n
asciilifeform: say i want to encipher (dun matter with what) a string, 'To: mircea_popescu Subj: thermonuke launch codes ...' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tape size cannot be known to decoder in advance
asciilifeform: that being said, there are good methods for certain special cases, if mircea_popescu's diophantines are of a particular ~kind~ i might be able to hit up my dead trees for an algo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also hilbert's 10th.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 14:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587182 << speaking of this, here's a question for the eager : a diophantine equation is a multivariate polynomial, something like ax+by^2 = 0. the question is : given an arbitrary finite set of known-good equations, can you use recursion to decide whether an arbitrary equation in the same variables is good (has integer solution) or no good ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1589135 << describe plox in slightly more detail : 1) what means 'known good' 2) what means 'same variables' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 14:01 mircea_popescu: (we'll skip over the entire "waka" incident for the sake of public morals.)
asciilifeform: is, e.g., mircea_popescu , burning with desire to work as american ambassador ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: In Attacking David Friedman , J Street Condemns Itself - Breitbart: <http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/12/20/attacking-david-friedman-j-street-condemns/>; J Street Tries to Raise Money off David Friedman Nomination: <http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/16/david-friedman-j-street-tries-raise-money/>; J Street Vehemently Opposes Nomination of David Friedman as US ...: (1 more message)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 18:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, to be fair here : the russians have no interest in waiting ; putin might be uncharacteristically meek, but in general a half dozen us ambassadors starting with the resident in manilla within the next week-10days is perfectly possible. at which point obama actually having the gall to call natl emergency and set aside the transfer of power is not entirely inconceivable. after which the russians WILL sink all the us carr
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu probably knew this.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 13:08 mircea_popescu just checked, o-9 pay grade is from 14.5k to 18k A MONTH. it is literally a better deal to be an entry level sysadmin working in pasadena than a lieutenant-general working in baghdad.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 12:55 mircea_popescu: anyway alf will prolly appreciate : https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/photo_2016-12-22_07-09-311.jpg
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 12:50 mircea_popescu: in further news nobody cares about, "4 million letters of 'empathy, support' dropped on Mosul". this thing, which was a) going to be a war that b) was going to take two weeks twelve weeks ago (and then a month, and then two, and here we are) has now degenerated in a fucking spam offensive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: infamously flammable (recalled) pNoje
asciilifeform: well yes. mircea_popescu used to teach, right ? how did he determine which idiot cribbed off which other idiot on exam
asciilifeform: if i had any reason to think that turning v tree into a forest of vertical stakes , exponentially crowded with IDENTICAL payloads that cannot be machine-compared , would make it easier to tell friend from foe and wisdom from folly -- i would agree with mircea_popescu's algo. but i do not. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu signs 'τῶν γὰρ φύσει συνεστώτων τὰ μέν ἐστι ...', he does not also sign his copy of aristotle, and after that, the publisher's original manuscript, and with it, the medieval copy, and with that, the arab copy, and with that, .... plus the book from which he learned greek, and its manuscript...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with your algo, 'a' cannot produce the same thing as 'b', because their immediate antecedents were different.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if (b) is available, it becomes again possible to close cycles.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 19:26 mircea_popescu: there's multiple approaches available. a) each patch nails down the whole list of direct antecedents, so it'd be 3 in this case ; b) each patch signer picks an arbitrary antecedent to reference of the list (of here - 3), others are free to "fork" it by picking a different one or w/e.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if your branches cannot converge (and under your algo, they cannot, because path dependence ~everywhere~) your tree gets cancer, every single patch creates a wholly separate universe that can never touch others.
asciilifeform: obscurantist claptrap is not helping mircea_popescu's argument.
asciilifeform: according to legend, once upon a time, long ago, mircea_popescu lost his house key. so the next day he ordered twenty wagons of glue, and glued everything together -- the gurlz, the keys, his keyboard, his chair, ...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's algo forbids sibling leaves, looks like.
asciilifeform: so i hand-cranked the sequence using mircea_popescu's method, to agglomerate, forever, a record of the path through the tree. and he is right that this will keep the toposort from detecting a loop. but this is rather like whitening an rng, it confuses only the machine, but not the reader, who will see that the ~output~ resulting from following the path is identical.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 19:03 mircea_popescu: should be pretty evident that a dimension defined in terms of divisibility is very fundamentally not the same thing as the latin notion of dimension-as-extensibility.
asciilifeform: nobody's diffing the patches, mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: nobody's hashing ~the patches~. mircea_popescu wants to ?
asciilifeform: (which is what i gather mircea_popescu intended to do in his paste)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu takes the patch, writes it in corpses of usg soldiers in the desert, photographers come, it is printed in every paper in the world; now -- ordered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for so long as you have the flame continuously burn, and at no point 'everyone died', it runs.
asciilifeform: there is no squaring for this circle, mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: martians make a copy of mircea_popescu ! which mircea_popescu shoots which other !
asciilifeform: what does the string 'Patch for genesis' do in mircea_popescu's paste example ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, your solution to cycles is to demand that no two patches be equal.
asciilifeform: and at the same time, mircea_popescu also does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's solution, if i understand it, is to include a gensym in each patch body.
asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's paste, there is only 1 way.
asciilifeform: you can ban it, as shown above in mircea_popescu's paste, by demanding that no new patch produce the antecedent of an old one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this destroys the ability to see that we in fact returned to genesis. has it occurred to you to wonder why even to have patches at all? why not everyone just signs the entire hindenburg titanic of trb every time he changes a line ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VZVHu/?raw=true << here is your 'cyclic ring of 3 atoms'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because dr.mengele makes a patch that ~produces~ the genesis, thinking he is oh so clever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a cycle topologically, but given as it contains the genesis, the 'ant walker' stops at the genesis, and does not walk in circles.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not illegal in my vtron because the toposort still provably terminates.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mod6 posted one above.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu or anybody else wants to try to 'square the circle' and make a v-prime algo that doesn't need ordering, i will helpfully show how it breaks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the antecedent hash in this example ~is~ the entire context, because the example is so short.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for the two paths to begin to exist, someone has to take a shit in the graph
asciilifeform: this also would give mircea_popescu the thing he asked for, which was a litmus that'd let him reject a cycle-creating patch immediately from his light cone, before it can get into his vtron and cause headache. and that is, 'no patch may have a descendant that is also an antecedent of itself or of an earlier-blocktimed patch.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your 'cycle arbitrageur' is precisely the same devil as my cornered-node-creator and panopticonic gossipd observer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i drew the graph, not seeing what is meant in your example: what means 'now both g->d->e->f->b->a and g->d->c->b->a are valid presses' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there isn't a 'the patch'
asciilifeform: but -- and i'd rather that mircea_popescu do this in his head -- you can make a 'munchausen' where both steps (or however many, it can be as long as you like) reference the genesis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a v set consisting solely of genesis is valid
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/munchausen.tar.gz
asciilifeform: and it is trivial to make, if mircea_popescu really wants, i can post an example set , with a toy key, and he can hang his vtron.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 12:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's take the simplest cycle : a->b and b->a ; to do this, a must contain the hash of b ; and b must contain the hash of a. how do you propose to accomplish this ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 05:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1589025 << it's not even clear to me this is actually possible to do. the closing element has to actually break a hash.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 02:19 mircea_popescu: mod6 i read through http://www.mod6.net/v-99994-trace.txt and indeed it seems right and proper vtronics. one q though : was there any patch not signed by asciilifeform interspersed in the flow ? because that's the only not tested case i think, if you have say a->b->c->d where a, c and d are signed by x. does it stop at a ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: priests can stay fat for so long as there is fat to harvest. for so long as ~other~ people economize.
mod6: mircea_popescu & asciilifeform : http://www.mod6.net/v-99994-trace3.txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is quite like saying catholic church has nfi who to hire.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 why's the hash mismatching ? << upon checking the output hash from the pressing of asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch, it failed. because this patch depends on asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch which was not in the flow, because it was renamed 'duck-fuck-soup.vpatch'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'curious re bitcoin' since shortly before 2010, but no good notes; but for some reason did not occur to me to visit irc folx until 2012
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 remember that time someone put a mega sdice order in and flooded the book ? << Oh yeah, Sir. I'm still doing a O_O from that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote the article on oct 11 2012. so this makes sense
asciilifeform: Oct 11 15:48:50 <mircea_popescu> There's no drama like Bitcoin drama. The "will pirate make contact" storyline returns tomorrow and the new season of "will BFL deliver" starts in a couple of weeks. It's like reality TV without the ads. Which well-known Bitcoin business will suddenly fail next? Who should be voted off the libertarian island?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in what year was 'Oct 06 11:33:00 <PeterLambert> I guess there is no need for glbse trading funds without a glbse' on your machine ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: #b-a
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
phf: mircea_popescu: log that you gave me, goes apr 15, may 22, aug 10th
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feb.2 of 2013 was when asciilifeform first ~spoke~ there
a111: Logged on 2013-02-02 19:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: working on it
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i have jun 2011 - apr 2012 otc logs also, but by now really scraping the bottom. << these would be cool tho
a111: Logged on 2013-02-02 19:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: working on it
a111: Logged on 2013-02-02 19:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 re-doing that would be a worthy exercise