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a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 18:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 << worked fab for bitbet for YEARS. contrary to ubiquitous claims, web 100% beheaded chickens by mass, nobody can as much as write a line of anything.
mircea_popescu: a bit like ye olde "reproduce yahoo messenger login" exercise huh.
phf: mircea_popescu: my impression is that trinque has some kind of mechanism of inlining source code into cuntoo, so instead of it being a matrioshka doll of nested vpatches, any new vpatch to cuntoo brings in ebuild AND the already unpacked source code. my approach keeps the vpatches separate from cuntoo: you install cuntoo first, then pull vpatches separately. i haven't looked at cuntoo yet, so i'm not sure how he's doing it though
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:38 phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction..
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:36 trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us"
mircea_popescu: actually, you should collate a retrospective!
trinque: phf: I'm developing a sense that lisp is a thinking tool, not an engineering tool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a short time when those folx played at cl, 2005-9 roughly, but long gone nao
phf: i was very much insulated from open sores lisp with acl, just sort of assumed that they were all basically the same. turns out that common lisp world is a cargo cult. for when spec was never supposed to be and all be all: it was a _thin_ common ground of a variety of rich lisp ecosystem. writing _just_ to spec is an exercise in frustration..
mircea_popescu: "so you're a femme fatale ?" "i sure am, mister" "take off your clothes" "whoa"
asciilifeform: ftr 1 of the many ruins that litter asciilifeform's hdds is a half-written ada ecc ( pre-ffa )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could, for example, use diana_coman's. or a modified permissive ffa. or even the thing that came with gnat. but in any case would be 'sapper errs once' component, gotta be bug-free
phf: asciilifeform: apropos i've attempted two years ago to do a rewrite for my cl-bitcoin, got bogged down in group theory, at this point still trying to power through an "introduction to group theory" text book.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ffa majorily useful, and no, not necessarily against writing for it. but there may be a timing issue (trb that takes > minute to check block is useless)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform constant time is a d) in that scheme. though i guess c-d may well package.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's old observation re the dacia air filter still holds tho, potentially replacing the hairball in trb with a 100% correct numeric set, will result in a forkable.
mircea_popescu: but yes, as far as trb work is concerned, a) taking off the bulidroot process because b) move it to cuntoo and also c) replace ssl dependency with one file, <1k loc are the priorities.
mircea_popescu: nah, the kind which were repaired dozens of times over the generations, where "repair" was interpreted to mean "add a mechanism to compensate for perceived errors".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875131 << reasonable ; but yeah, plox ave1 write a patch for the damn thing, the dance is vaguely reminiscent of those organically-evolved early clocks. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ( with minor variation -- xor instead of add , imho a human oughta know what is xor )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 << worked fab for bitbet for YEARS. contrary to ubiquitous claims, web 100% beheaded chickens by mass, nobody can as much as write a line of anything. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman, trinque : it isn't clear to me that 'move existing gentoo to cuntoo' without reformat of hdd is worth attempting -- non-musltronic dyn-linked sad gentoo bins will all barf once the pertinent libs are removed ( and they dun belong, imho, on a cuntoo box )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 13:44 spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign).
trinque: diana_coman: not necessarily, but I'd want to write you a guide before encouraging you to attempt (or have you write a guide using a machine locally)
mircea_popescu: a sort of philosophical zombie, vessels carrying forth the voice of collective motherhood.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-12 18:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie didn't you make a plea bargain ?
trinque: if you're feeling adventurous, read the bootstrap scripts and it should indicate what'd need to happen to convert a living system, but I had the thing generate a new bootable blockdev because of these hairy complications
diana_coman: trinque, that looks great; if I understand correctly, the archive there contains the means to a. install cuntoo b. make the genesis of cuntoo/portage that could in principle be used to move an existing gentoo to cuntoo; is this correct? ☟︎
phf: recently carmack donated to openbsd, they made a very big deal out if it being "the first individual silver level donor"
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 18:31 asciilifeform: d the online payment processor Stripe each pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project.' etc
trinque: if we're taking one, I think it's a candidate for taking.
trinque: it's just a thinned out openssl.
asciilifeform: dun talk, as such, no moar, sits in a flower pot, 'talkers' do the talkin' 'for him'
mircea_popescu: but yes, done ~nothing for like a decade. still, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830623 ☝︎
trinque: I've been building with unshare -n , uses the linux namespaces thing to detach the process from the network stack (fig leaf yes, but at least was a decent way to test)
asciilifeform: a+++
phf: asciilifeform: presumably entire portage tree pulls from https:// unless trinque also hosting a mirror of everything (i haven't looked yet) ☟︎
asciilifeform nearly said ' 'so far hasn't forked' aint exactly a scientific standard ' but we aint got a better
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with << I run a bitcoind linked against libressl 2.5.5 and so far it hasn't forked ☟︎
asciilifeform: i was aiming for a kind of hybrid of jurov's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=makefiles and what phf has today
asciilifeform intended to release a thing somewhat like it with the orig 2015 vtron, but asciilifeform's wwwtronics was not equal to the task, never made a usable incarnation of item
phf: it has a backlog of love also, one thing that i want to wire next is a search for a keyword, gives back a list of patches of a list of files that match. i implemented it already, but haven't wired it in
asciilifeform: phf's mechanism did The Right Thing tho, a++, ty phf
phf: asciilifeform: done, can you please check that it's correct, i'm doing it from console only linux and my update function said it picked up a patch, that i thought was already there..
trinque afk for a while
phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction.. ☟︎
trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us" ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( given a musltronic cuntoo, the 'rotor'-descended buildroot process for trb is theoretically redundant )
trinque: asciilifeform: we had a thread on the stepping down before, jumping directly to 4.9.4 does not work on musl. not a clue why.
trinque: ^ I'll go over this with a caffeinated brain later, but wanted to get the thing into hands immediately. Let me know if you reproduce my genesis.vpatch folks.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 19:32 asciilifeform: ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none ☝︎☟︎☟︎
trinque: spyked: point is a simple "hey trinque, lets make the swap at $date, and get the PM subscriptions ported over meanwhile" ☟︎
spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign). ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
mircea_popescu: it's actually a largely unexplored space, "what can girl do while handcuffed".
trinque imagines a circus act where person-of-walmart is brought out in chains, made to attempt pants, abused by onlookers as they fail.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder anyone manages to wear pants.
mircea_popescu: merely wondering "hm, i wonder wtf?!" is already ~one in a thousand~. these aren't invented numbers, this isn't a manner of speech. two in 2184.
mircea_popescu: in other ustard web lulz : count of consumer ips first seen on http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ : 2184. count of ips last seen on http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ : 2182.
BingoBoingo: Also hard to discern in douchebag a desire to learn or indication he understood having other languages is a good thing
mircea_popescu: i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall kako bragging that he's just about блатной , never worked a lick for inca
asciilifeform: betcha flea market would pay a penny to the buck for it, vs what it cost to bake
mircea_popescu: insanity is worthless other than to owner, a calc over how sin is meaningless except to the sinner.
mircea_popescu: (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
asciilifeform: ok nao i cannot resist to ask -- what is a 'fractional girlfriend'
asciilifeform: in usa they have a local historic character, gen. benedict arnold, roughly same household word for 'betrayal' as e.g. vidkun quisling in old world ( and for same reason, was a reasonably passing hero before flipped sign bit )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 21:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:58 mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875018 << i dun see that they're instances of same item tho -- 1 was dumb http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874979 kid, other was a - quite clever enuff - bought an' paid-for pantsuit mole ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly cuz Mocky was actually asking a q. as opposed to douchebag's... well, that thing where people shout incoherently on the stake
mircea_popescu: not really worth much mention. world productivity in the whole 1700s was a good modern quarter.
asciilifeform: and i recall mircea_popescu's drills excavating a 1370s concordate, etc
mircea_popescu: it's true that white man has neglected all things of the mind for a good half century now.
mircea_popescu: eventually removing a layer of crusted socks fails to produce an occult layer of crusted underwear.
mircea_popescu: for a BRIEF interval.
mircea_popescu: so yes, climbs the gradient. the gradient climbs too. the hope, or at least my hope, is that the gradient climbing is self-limiting. in a manner of speaking like cleaning. yes if you neglect doing ANY housework at all, then for an interval the more housework you do, the more housework there is to be done.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma actually try this on a scratch box. ( but, prolly not today )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the question is what version of wordpress you are sitting on determines how much massaging you have to do to your database dump. Once MP-WP eats a correctly massaged dump your numbers counts survive and the numbers and human urls both work.
mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's a contradictory force. consider what counted as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 just a few brief short years ago. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
asciilifeform: but possibly this only worx on a ~very~ long timescale ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyqway, why not just a mysql dump like sane ppl.
BingoBoingo: Doing the xml dump import into a new mp-wp (or other wp) is going to change the counts
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? i don't follow it, articles go in a table, has an id field, that;s it.
mircea_popescu: but in digging for the item you want, ran into http://trilema.com/2013/the-bitcoiners-press-manual/ and http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/ and http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/ and holy shit trilema's a great read.
BingoBoingo: Depending on how far his wordpress is from MP-WP and in which direction is going to determine how much of a pain preserving those counts will be.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech". ☟︎
asciilifeform has a box here with stale thermal grease that reliably died when these are loaded
asciilifeform: is there even 1 usg www that doesn't have a shitcoin miner js in it yet ?
mircea_popescu: the internet-vs-tv battle rages on, 1993 is but a memory.
mircea_popescu: "cuz you told it to" "but i mean that's not how the web is supposed to work". was a whole mega-wtf, unfathomable depth of disagrement thing
mircea_popescu: was something like "why does echo.php?contet=fuckyou print a bad word???"
trinque: and then maybe we'll get another flood of tits out of it, even, when the 1337 haxor shows up for a month or two.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking web box, who even cares at that level.
mircea_popescu: except where nobody could leave you a freaking comment for like a year. wtf is an "irregularity".