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asciilifeform: aalso mircea_popescu looks like your node wedged in ... july ?! 2016
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 0036.dat downloaded
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a block doesn't get to sit down in blk**** in trb unless its antecedents are present.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol it isn't as if i had 'go and do it or voodoo curse!1!'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 19:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://qntra.net/blk0036.dat
asciilifeform: why not ben_vulpes blkcut mircea_popescu's 0036
asciilifeform: (well rather, mircea_popescu could really use one. but he probably doesn't have the runtime readily set up)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grep your log for reorg. when was last reorg ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu showed up with a bag of clues from a trb node that wedged some weeks ago. so now autopsy.
asciilifeform: then we would, for instance, know , what mircea_popescu's node heard, and when
asciilifeform: upstack: the sad thing is, i am not even equipped to answer whether 419373 was part of an orphanable forklet on mircea_popescu's node ; and if so, when orphaned at large
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everybody's log consists of multiple GB of 'tx cannot be validated.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what leads you to this hypothesis ?
jurov: and btw mircea_popescu have you pushed qntra stuff?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the log from mircea_popescu's node unsurprisingly sheds 0 light.
asciilifeform: so looks like zoolag (and dulap, and everybody) reorged, but mircea_popescu's node didn't
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (you may be aware of this but just in case - given tmsr's preference for keccak, fyi your sha512 above uses sha-2, not sha-3)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found ~a~ wtf ...
asciilifeform: at any rate plz don't lose that thing's blockchain, mircea_popescu , can use my 'blkcut' or ben_vulpes's ver of same, to get at the blox
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was it built with spitblock ? can you get it to spit out , say, 419300 ... 419373 ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read 'approach' phf's observation literally, as in 'walk up to'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: papadimitriou ? i assumed -- a greek. at any rate, he wrote asciilifeform's (and probably ~everybody's) undergrad schoolb00k on complexity
a111: Logged on 2015-11-08 23:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes match.com, plenty of fish, okcupid tinder and the rest of the lesser known implementations of the social media dating scam are all owned by iac.
trinque: mircea_popescu: when people were selling their balances at a discount towards the end?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: twatter lament re 'oh noez blox soo crowded' is disproof nao ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 11:41 mircea_popescu: because for as long as the chicken brained have a dollar, they will pool that dollar to get shit like britney spears on the air.
asciilifeform: betcha mircea_popescu had nfi that there could be such a thing as 'sibling blocks' !111
asciilifeform: 'We need LC_ALL here to be sure that the date will take exactly three words in the output of ls.' << this is exactly the plasma tv raft from mircea_popescu's article with the crazy woman
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am but a lol-sniffing pig of the web
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> new ? hasn't he been dead for 50 years ? << Ate an abercrombie and fitch shotgun, likely movie about the guy
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news im reading this hemingway interview and why the fuck was this guy such a dork and why does he only go out with ugly women. << Beer goggles
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ty, mircea_popescu's line that '(I suspect USGtards would call it a "PRNG")' had me thinking in that line
asciilifeform: however mircea_popescu , this is not quite right, the 'lower bound' is always O(1) for the d00d who knows the key !
asciilifeform: the mandatory thread is here -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620768 ( and linked subthreads with mircea_popescu . ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ordering.
asciilifeform: i wonder if by now mircea_popescu also guessed what it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you have some -- rigorous or not -- idea of how 'remains debatable' ? because afaik you gotta square this circle if you want noncuttables.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit that i have not attempted to unearth and catalogue the 2011 folxs' attempts to square the circle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'every user a currency issuer' is the only 'solution' i currently know to 'mining-is-a-bug'
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu how do you picture tx fee working with non-divisible coin ?
asciilifeform: this goes immediately back to mircea_popescu's koschei piece.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 00:38 mircea_popescu: and an apple costs a fortune.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally i suspect that a regenesised fork would begin to gather steam long before http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621006 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform freshly re-read mircea_popescu's 'empty airplanes' thing )
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 16:56 mircea_popescu: but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right, i waas abouittosay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cure, i realized, is that ~some~ of the oldtx selected by Z must depend on value of prev block, so as to prevent waltzing of Z 'until all i need is the 10% i'm fraudulently storing instead of the 100%' .
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: practically speaking on current tech the bitcoin unit of account is probably something like 0.25
asciilifeform: i suppose this is why mircea_popescu wanted the 2-input thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw 'no payers, only payments' is probably impossible with public balances existing in any sense.
asciilifeform: dunno re mircea_popescu's planet, on mine, semiconductors sorta stopped, in 2009-ish, and aren't threatening to develop mega-improvement
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be interesting to tally the avg case cost of not committing this error.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that. the seekrit, is blown, neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's suppose you had ring signature, we have edge of the sword. how does the hilt work ? i.e. you have an output, that is spendable, but you want it spendable by ~you~, not by 1,001 randomly-selected pubkeys.
shinohai hopes mircea_popescu writes an article "In which I became lost in my own museum"
a111: Logged on 2016-02-06 16:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "- He says current block ciphers suck. Why? It doesn't really become clear from the discussion, which seems to be between two people who have heard a little bit about cryptography, and are trying to outdo each other in what little knowledge they have."
a111: Logged on 2016-02-06 02:49 mircea_popescu: actually the 4 color map thing is in my head just as good if not better than knapsack
a111: Logged on 2016-02-05 01:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: played around with a few graph-theoretical approaches (in particular, max-clique problem)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think i found it : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-05#1396876 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 19yo female, bb. that's not occuring. << Frequent occurence. Typical hardware store is full of 19 year old girls. Even in the lumber section. Pinterest is a thing apparently.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-10 20:10 mircea_popescu: basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem.
asciilifeform: i actually worked with this notion last year, when investigating nonretarded (i.e. of provable complexity) block ciphering. and came to same realization that mircea_popescu is probably about to come to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even supposing that you had this, if you actually needed all pubkeys in use to-date to verify a sig... it'll be painful
asciilifeform: as i understand, what mircea_popescu would like is : V(K1, S)=false, V(K2, S)=false, .... BUT V(K1,K2,..,KN, S) = true
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hey BingoBoingo were you in georgia ? << That's thestringpuller
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe, for my education, how Proper ring signature differs from shamir's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be capped at 2, either, unless you use casks and want to leave room for dozen+ hop stages
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fixed-width tx buys us this algo. but not only it. for instance, an adult tx's unique index can be quite short : blknum_txoffset. this in turn saves space elsewhere, for all time.
asciilifeform: in above example, the 'arity' of the xor is 3. and mircea_popescu will probably answer, when he comes back , that evil miner will waltz the nonce until the 3 necessary tx are the ones that fit in his pocket. but arity doesn't have to be 3.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu find a new chocolate icecream shop! he oughta go there, eat some, come back with theorem.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, mircea_popescu's algo had two major effects -- a) nodes have something valuable to sell b) all users are protocolically forced to retain all blocks
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tried again, with possibly adequate specificity this time!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: friend of yours from meatspace ?
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated omraphantom 1 << kinkster engineer teenager or something.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 , et al : meanwhile, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache_yet_moar.txt
asciilifeform: so far mircea_popescu is the people-bringin' champ
asciilifeform: even went to mircea_popescu's c1
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 01:27 mircea_popescu: and a very fine point in case here, from my own personal experience, is that xapo sad faggot, wences casares.
shinohai: mod6: No I was trying to use xmacros to automate some clicks for mircea_popescu and accidentally bought the wrong bundle @ 45 bitcents
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> trb-tits << I thought that was shinohai's fork << :D
asciilifeform: i'm still trying to puzzle out if i even disagree with mircea_popescu , upstack
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:31 mircea_popescu: ie, young brazillian chick WILL have to have her cooking checked for shit, because apparently wash hands is not universally comprehended in brazil.
asciilifeform: just earlier mircea_popescu had a thread re 'in 1970s chix did not yet wash properly' -- this is distinct from 'cultural mainstream' ? how so
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaah yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see an eggog
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trb-tits << I thought that was shinohai's fork
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is right.
asciilifeform: hm, now that i think about it, when using mircea_popescu's algo, you take your current chain to be the linearization. and if your chain gets orphaned, you consequently get a new linearization.
asciilifeform: (how many is N ? i have nfi.. mircea_popescu remembers a time when n was 60, iirc from last night thread)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had this thread, trb retains orphaned branches of any and every size, because it never goes back to remove anything from ~inside~ a blkxxxx.dat .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. go, look.
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone recalls the 'eatblock' thread -- i found that my blkxxxx.dat differed, in a handful of places, from mircea_popescu's, and yet again from every other trb node's.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu didja ever explain how your algo from http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol deals with the nonlinearity of the chain ? (the orphan stublets - discarded ? and if so, when exactly. because there are points in time where two traditional-bitcoin nodes disagree on what 'all blocks to date, linearly ordered' were. )
trinque cannot find the log line from mircea_popescu re: developing economy and deficit spending, but mr bannon apparently heard him
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 11:30 mircea_popescu: wtf "nothing sexual happens". in a fucking theatre ? that's insanity.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-28 03:24 asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:10 mircea_popescu: the (false!) theory that the bitcoin unit of account is the 0.00000001 btc or satoshi is based on the batshit insane theory that a system could ever be devised that would track 21 million hundred million individual 512byte outputs.
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu to revisit upstack : there is a serious mistake in my casks.txt , that i did not spot until now: