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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's a mp card ?
asciilifeform upturned a stack of papers with elbow last night, a mircea_popescu card came flying out
Mocky: I had the most vivid dream last night that I met mp and hanbot. I shook mp's hand and then I turned and shook hanbot's hand and when I turned back mp was gone but left me a note with his signature and "kek" then I turned and habot was gone too
asciilifeform: one might naively expect that the bot would have a belt-fed shooter of some kind, but nope -- it had double barrel '12gauge' , loaded by hand.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
asciilifeform: there was also a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 -style caterpillar bot thing , with shotgun, but unremarkable ☝︎
asciilifeform: there was a schmeisser-like thing, rusted solid, dunno why they even bothered showing it
asciilifeform: a:'where do you put prisoner' cop:'wtf you smoking? chopper takes pictures'
asciilifeform: iirc coupla yrs ago i linked to photos i took at a 'police expo' where all of this was proudly exhibited to gawking public
mircea_popescu: maybe until the unionized cops who still know how to work a lock-and-key last, who knows.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- in ye olde su, handcuff was uncommon, outside of where it was used as an instrument of 'question of the third degree', in a form of old-school 'strappado' . )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885715 << revisiting this lul : not long ago i saw a cop collar some monkeys on the street, and believe or not, bona fide cuffs ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'd guess it was a case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97 , some ameri-monkey was in a position to take the 3.2B in paper in exch for whatever crater, and did
mircea_popescu: if i had to take a blind wager, it'd be ye olde "information differential" -- jp knew and usg didn't.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, you own this-and-so company that got specific safe harbour /legal extemption/ whatever precisely fitting "berth" definition item from x/y/z posturer to authority". "yes, i did ; and i can, too. but it is a) not ever obtained through the avenue here contemplated and, importantly, MUCH more importantly, b) a dodge. it is strictly there to mask from the dangerous the fundamental state of affairs."
mircea_popescu: now then : all these fantasies, "i'll worship so purely i'll never die", "i'll get a paycheck so huge i won't have to go on dates anymore", "i'll be that kurchatov" rely on something specific : there's gotta be a stalin. there's no stalin of long living, nor is there a stalin of rooseveltian socialism -- the thing's built ~specifically~ (and ~purposefully~, deliberately) as a "stalinism without any stalin".
mircea_popescu: well yes. the socialist trade is always a case of "substitute vinyl siding for brick wall".
mircea_popescu: as rational inquiry divorced longevity from religiosity, the claim lost its meaning, but it is ever present in strangeola like "smoking is a sin".
mircea_popescu: as the life habits [they stole from "those pagans" the stoics] promoted longevity, it was a trivial observation (for they inclined to observe, of course) that xtians ~live longer~ than non-xtians. THIS was the substance of the entirety of the supernatural claim, for a thousand years or so, and yes, to the orc mind it makes sense that the bearded dood in the sky who makes these weirdos die 70s not 50s perhaps has more of the s
mircea_popescu: there ~isn't~ a way to be good ~at your chosen field~ such that you're a successful chowdry in incadom.
asciilifeform: a:'hey mircea_popescu , i saw kangaroo in a zoo once' m:'yer delusional , there aint no such animal, fuckin' brits lied about it' a:'looked quite like the drawing' m:'destructive fantasy, and at terrible cost, you saw mutilated donkey' a:'...'
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't ressurect a dead argument on the tail end of having been hammered into the ground. there's nobody alive ; there's no berths ; you can pursue this fantasy at a terrible cost anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885622 << no, they fucking wouldn't, because they were spawned by strippers. who are still sitting around today, posturing idly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ between the carrot of http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 and the cudgel of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it does work as a closed system : gotta be this intellectually tall to ride is the securest seal ever invented.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885621 << nor is there any need for that. what, you're going to get the suit off a dead mp and wear it on to victory ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i even managed to purchase a cdp1802 baked there, for lulz. but is all.
asciilifeform: ( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 00:37 asciilifeform: there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins.
mircea_popescu: they leave behind a coupla degenerate morons, http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ style . or i guess http://trilema.com/2013/magnolia/ ;l same thing really.
asciilifeform: my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse )
mircea_popescu: leaving behind a coupla kids to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else then because even the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood ; and time's certainly going the way of my stance being correct, rather than the opposite. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's a lotta these.
mircea_popescu: or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over the yeears.
mircea_popescu: nah, more like a case of -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547879 ☝︎
asciilifeform: relatedly, it is said that usg has an internal , proprietary pediwikia. but i've nfi what's in it, prolly a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778095 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i aint about to argue with a satisfied customer
mircea_popescu: "a) here's signed ideal ; b) here's concrete -- c) check"
asciilifeform: i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either)
asciilifeform: you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is the exact same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: if the standard is low enough for stco to pass, then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in the house "where no german set foot", through the procedure of no german happening to want to.
asciilifeform: yet i dare say i've got a pretty good one here
asciilifeform: i dun know how to sign a pipe wrench either
mircea_popescu: dude's not publishing patches for anyone to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts to sign them anyway don't enact patches out of a void.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 << this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life ; much in the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation". ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho. ☝︎
asciilifeform: some d00d in a cellar, makes boards, sells.
asciilifeform: a working ballmouse aint a wunderwaffen, no. but also not 'meaningless religious artifact' that can be entirely dismissed out of hand, imho.
asciilifeform: a 3-man co that makes mice?!
asciilifeform: it's a pretty humble item.
mircea_popescu: sadly, novelty name rather than political declaration. but o well, better a fig than nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business. We take pride in our level of service and the quality and consistency of our products. We cater to all organizations and individuals that want or need easy button access and a large, easy to control ball with a high degree of durability."
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 15:12 asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
asciilifeform: entertainingly, even the '80s-90s' proviso aint 100%; just last week i had occasion to plug in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884363 , nominally made in some barn in usa, and it's a+++ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in the end this discussion turned out most productive. it makes obivous the distinction between the latins (very much alive) and the christians (deader than disco) : i very much expect a phrase lifted from petronius to ~work for me today~ ; i entirely expect any clipping of the "church fathers" to drip more poison than can be ever documented, and in no case be usable for anything.
mircea_popescu: until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can trust their products, it will be the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning.
mircea_popescu: you, alf, have literally produced such a logic analyzer, out of some raw materials. exact same process as electronics factory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp.
mircea_popescu: and then the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i test one of them artefacts and it matches turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact"
mircea_popescu: ie, you're a materialist-idealist. though with some derrogations, you don't like importing the code of these turbine makers.,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems to me you're saying though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse than the ones settled, because i hate flying", and then beiung surprised by the necessary and equally obvious "but alf -- trhe same ones fly and settle in turns!"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!!
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244625 << Unable to find the first instance. Already referenced as existing a few lines up from the link ☝︎
BingoBoingo: This walrus raping a penguin and getting the gull hot? https://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gifv
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin
mircea_popescu: this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving"
asciilifeform: iirc it was a BingoBoingo find. BingoBoingo do you remember ?
mircea_popescu: chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him.
mircea_popescu: in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron.
mircea_popescu: yes perl scripts issued by the original perl interpreter ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-26#1111325 ) rather than ulterior models ~prefer~ to "conference butterfly". but this personal preference does not enact a difference. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole.
asciilifeform: item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro
mircea_popescu: i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is.
asciilifeform: fughet 'thinkers'. not far from my street there's a d00d who sells cement drills. has for 20+y. his shop is the size of a public toilet, and staffed by his lonesome old carcass. who fires him ?
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth. ☟︎
asciilifeform: is it unreasonable to hypothesize a shop that does actual biz ? of whatever kind, 'buy cheap, sell dear', parts for turbines, or whatever
mircea_popescu: or is this more of a "shop in the mind" sorta thing ?
asciilifeform: afaik there isn't yet a thing where he gotta hire politruk to 'sexual harass' ~himself~
mircea_popescu: in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it.
asciilifeform: "security clearance" bs << asciilifeform resigned from a shithole specifically when pressed to 'take holy orders', 1 time
mircea_popescu: to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs".
asciilifeform: even 'discrimination law' applies limitedly, to'em. i suggest to rftm, it's a thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
asciilifeform: experience in a coupla, where else
asciilifeform: (i.e. no 'hr', no 'powerpoint', no 'quarterly reports', etc, just four d00dz, four 'harleys', and a coupla oscilloscopes.. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, to the extent anyffin resembling engineering still happens in current usa -- it happens in places like that. four greybeards in a barn.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there's the narrow windows and indications the exterior walls extend above the roof creating a slow fence for the azeotea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885361 << there's by nao a lengthy gallery of these 'asking for brick'(tm) faces in the l0gz. i admit to curiosity re how come these folx so reliably have'em. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well, and "success" and employment and emigration and a whole hosta things.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol; what didja ~think~ brit parliament did on typical weekday, when not busy fellating overseas hitler . naturally 'making rules' re the procedure for selling dogs , etc, 'regulating' what time of day 'subjects of her majesty' may take a shit, and similar
mircea_popescu: there, intel kicks in : julia sowells, lives with mom @3036 Powell Rd, Blossvale, NY 13308, a single family home worth about 100k market / 60k on tax basis. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1ksqft.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 02:17 asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg