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asciilifeform: *won't be
asciilifeform: ( because they don't be sitting for 30sec to 6min per block grunting ecdsa ) ☟︎
asciilifeform won't disagree.
asciilifeform realizes he ain't any good at obit
asciilifeform: item ain't about socialist fungus robbing mircea_popescu's gold to pay iq80 scum to breed. item is about a man of science who 'acted from causes, not purposes' and did not think 'hey i can't monetize 'principia', i'd better not newtonate'
phf: i suspect this dude doesn't have any kind of apropriate venue to publish an obituary that he expects to be read by a lot of people. that's sort of the point of obituary, is to get any random reddit man to scratch his head
mircea_popescu: it's what we expect to see, isn't it ? usg is specifically the empire of "there's a difference between what is and what you want to see, and we live out of selling that"
mircea_popescu: but this isn't in any sense what's said.
mircea_popescu: man at shop where they don't hjave meat said, "well, if there's not enough meat for the whole queue, i take no meat" ?
asciilifeform: essence is, i think, that d00d did not charge-for-sunlight and didn't think much of people who tried.
mircea_popescu: the point is really, "soviet man didn't know how to support a group" ?
mircea_popescu: they attained no closure, yet can't go.
mircea_popescu: "daniel is a bot" "how can you tell it's a bot ?" "because i don;t like what it says, but let's veil this into some numerology considerations". hurr.
phf: aaaand since i don't want to think about any of this shit right now, you get a multiline born until i get to it :>
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
phf: but the main reason is that i realized that cl-irc probably doesn't properly split lines, which needs to be solved
ben_vulpes: nah, couldn't possibly cost more to run than it enables people to scam
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you know i just went looking for a "best of MPOE-PR" and didn't find one
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:43 mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line.
mircea_popescu: it's quite fucking obvious that you don't need to computhe the 5th decimal of pi to compute the billionth, if you just put down the bottle for one moment.
mircea_popescu: shinohai retarded brits maneuvering themselves into trying to matter. when hatman visited queen, some local fuckwits organised a buncha streetwalkers to pretend like they represent "the gypsy community" and "independently want to be called romania from now on". because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739911 wasn't invented by ustards, they just copied. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it isn't even 'high tech'n, pretty clear how it works if you look at mendeleev table
mircea_popescu: the thing with these is they don't have to be big
mircea_popescu: no they aren't lmao. the "consensus" of herdemocracy is just not to produce it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches. << anti-intellectual sheen is part of the appeal of having named castle thusly, scares those who need it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that most nobles dun wanna upkeep their castles for some reason. i'm hoping it's mostly misunderstanding teh future in the benign sense of "really, didn't give this much thought"
BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink ☟︎
mircea_popescu: to quote tlp, "half of america said hell ya, let's kick some ass and the other half rolled its eyes and was totally like don't you guys know we suck now ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 19:43 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol
asciilifeform: re t cell -- not all parasites are perceptible. point was that stealth is not the only strategy used by parasite
asciilifeform: ww2 wasn't exactly a voluntary transaction
mircea_popescu: and no, t-cell doth not perceive hiv virus, nor fish the polyp on its gills etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759241 << it's not altogether clear to me soviet union wasn't continued exactly in the spirit and direction of "the great father". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:48 phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 17:39 phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
mircea_popescu: this isn't fucking irc2
asciilifeform: wasn't, even in 2012.
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol ☟︎
phf: knuth managed to do a lot to keep tex what it is, given that he's essentially a pacifist academic. there aren't many other examples (common lisp, ada) where preservation has been taken to this extreme.
phf: asciilifeform: well, be that lamport, or someone else, the memo wasn't missed, but made to disappear through consensus. everyone knows that there's only one TeX, but of course "modern" "tex" is latex with luatex engine, etc. etc.
phf: asciilifeform: he did though, by making it very explicit that there can't be a successor.
phf: well, really, the problem has been discussed here many times, that you can't tmsr without wot. "successor" is just a special case of that, which, again, lacking mechanisms, is likewise lacking
phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that this disconnect, 'can use ipad but still do honest mathematics', doesn't show any serious symptoms of existing
phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras ☟︎
asciilifeform: in all fairness i can't recall how i came to think that he did.
phf: well, i'm thinking illumination, which has been sop for btcbase, but yes, since split happens on client anyway (i'm using ircii right now, and it annoyingly doesn't warn OR split)
asciilifeform: in other lulzy backlinx from asciilifeform's www, http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2944&p=57778#p57778 << 6502 enthusiasts , presumably some were not awake in the '80s-'90s , try to rederive carry-bit formula. d00d links asciilifeform's. which is hilarious because on what, do you suppose, asciilifeform originally studied...
asciilifeform: don't be the fisherman who, say, 'i washed my hands after shitting and that day caught no fish, i think i'ma not ever again wash hands' etc.
asciilifeform: if, alternatively, it meant 'my block height hasn't moved for a week', again should be specific, SAY that, and post yer log
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 05:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: putting the codebasehash in headers doesn't work then, as there is no 'file that will always be touched' that is a part of v to participate in the toposort
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758974 << very much so ; and especially on a blog. there's utterly nothing wrong with being wrong, and discover it over time, especially if gracious about it. not like you sign the damned things, nor like the distinction isn't very fucking clear a a matter of public policy. ☝︎
trinque: "I edited the networking code and added better logging statements which requires the better logging code on fray, but I didn't edit the logging code."
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter which files they touch. a4 will build upon one of them, and then a5 on a4, and the unbuild upon one is left as a "fray" on the rope.
mircea_popescu: there's still a disconnect because i don't understand what the hell you mean.
mircea_popescu: if the patch tree goes a1->a2->a3/a3` your position is now to choose which of a3 or a3` counts, and which doesn't count. the discarded one may be scavenged for useful content, but it will never be a proper patch.
mircea_popescu: whereas the pantsuit psychotic cleaving, where ~some kinds~ of spam are spam (ostensibly because they came from russian hackers as per their bayesian filters ?) whereas some other kinds of spam magicaloly "aren't spam" somehow, because pravda said it, or some "transgender" schmuck said it, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: so on. because "it's spam" and that means "it shouldn't be read" and they actually have a consensus on this, which they idiotically but universally misrepresent as somehow different from any other cultish behaviour, such as believing "racism" or "global warming" or "witchcraft" are things.
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated lets-suck-our-own-cocks-we-utterly-deserve-it : consider that the whole l0de thing started because someone from here checked out a SPAMMED item. the fuctard/pantsuit "engineers" in name only in EVERY OTHER fucking channel ~think~ themselves all open-minded and intelligent and whatever, yet i can make a very obviously correct and banal prediction - they wouldn't have followed it, nor in any case escalated and
mircea_popescu: now, the v doctrine as it stands right now, both on logs and actual precedent, at least as far as i understand it (but this is vacuous both as a representation and as a history, as most important questions haven't yet been seriously tested) -- is that Z is right to simply sign a patch on B-genesis ;
mircea_popescu: so suppose lord X makes tree A : A1->A2->A3->A4 are patches, delivering some kind of utility we don't care to specify.
trinque: I don't see that regrinding solves it
trinque: back briefly on the frayed rope, what's harmful about naming an antecedent that you didn't edit, but require
trinque: doesn't mean you don't wholly remove sections and replace
mircea_popescu: so for instance, "genesis a proper db ; then patch in three different branches for the three different types of node envisaged" doesn't seem on the face problematic.
trinque: anyhow lemme run at it again. you can't modularize because you have to fake work in a disparate part of the tree to merge
mircea_popescu: ie, i don't expect the trb cut as described to have a trb genesis necessariyl, or even probably.
trinque: these aren't "trb" except in shitworld
mircea_popescu: well, i am kind of a fan of the whole "v doesn't permit you to lie to yourself about having supposedly designed what's utterly an ad-hoc item".
trinque: this is what I meant actually, by "can't modularize" within same walk of the v tree
mircea_popescu: v doesn't permit this backwards in time ; and if you run in this situation where johnny needs an experts' sex change to become evvie, it's high fucking time you hand-rewrote your whole steaming pile of crap.
mircea_popescu: "hey, aren't you worried your shitcoin will get altcoin'd in the near future ?" "no, i am dog and i don't understand anything. vote me!"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758864 << you engage in a category error. you don't know what's in the box BEFORE opening the box.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 22:22 danielpbarron: wasn't indiancandy/sofiababy looking for a way to make bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: if you register a key you can self-voice don't have to keep doing this voicing thing
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 00:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758753 << i misread : 'platypus'. wouldn't be surprised...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758864 << you engage in a category error. you don't know what's in the box BEFORE opening the box. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758753 << i misread : 'platypus'. wouldn't be surprised... ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i would like everybody who is itching to change the way v fundamentally works, to sit down and think about why we ain't using 'git' etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:36 ben_vulpes: this still leaves me in the pickle of producing a vpatch from a press to a that won't actually descend linearly from a without touching a file, and adding "this line necessary to ensure this vpatch descends from a and not genesis"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 22:22 danielpbarron: wasn't indiancandy/sofiababy looking for a way to make bitcoin?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other
danielpbarron: wasn't indiancandy/sofiababy looking for a way to make bitcoin? ☟︎☟︎
l0de: I would stress that my audience doesn't take anything seriously unless it's presented in a humorous context or it is presented as ruining someone's shit
phf: i don't remember if there was any kind of interesting insight from the resulting graph, i should revisit it..
phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other ☟︎☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: this still leaves me in the pickle of producing a vpatch from a press to a that won't actually descend linearly from a without touching a file, and adding "this line necessary to ensure this vpatch descends from a and not genesis" ☟︎
diana_coman: onth "meaningful" there doesn't refer to code only and if new code in new files depends on existing code in untouched existing files, it may be meaningful nevertheless to update the readme file of the project for instance to say as much
diana_coman: I ran a bit into that with eucrypt but I can't say I have some clear idea what would be a good solution there as it seems to me it's a matter of level considered i.e. file, folder, component, whole project, what
ben_vulpes: it may be that tracking hashes at the file level isn't the right thing, because with vdiff as implemented i can trivially generate a vpatch b while working from a press of a that nevertheless still only depends on genesis if a leaves files untouched and b touches those untouched files only
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 17:52 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758742 <<< Implying I don't already do this ..... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf it is, isn't it ?
mircea_popescu can't recall if mp-wp still supports psql or not
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 17:52 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?