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asciilifeform: phf et al : 1 of asciilifeform's ancient backburner crackpotteries is... an iron x terminal. ( these -- existed, but would be imho useful to have a proper one, that 1) runs off rom 2) can drive N large displays )
phf: i saw the x11 thread, will respond in a day or two once i'm on a more reliable internet
a111: Logged on 2019-02-11 01:33 hanbot: diana_coman fwiw i ran into a few broken internal links on ossasepia today on account of their still pointing to dianacoman.com, see http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ fo' instance.
mircea_popescu: well then of fucking course it can't find a sda3 that doesn't exist, he needs sda2 or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: trinque is it actually the case that cuntoo can't boot off a non-first drive ? if so easy enough to check.
mircea_popescu: people HERE fcuking love it. bought an armful of roses few days ago, dood selling it was like "that's a great hat, mr! say, when you're done with it, don't throw it out, throw it at me, i'd love to have it."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (but, in other good news, your pingback thing also works fine.) << ty, Lardner set me on a re-reading binge
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a++ plantator hat
a111: Logged on 2019-02-11 00:03 mod6: ok, that blog post is now: http://blog.mod6.net/2019/02/a-cuntoo-adventure
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4SpwP/?raw=true << built, replicated test jig; i'ma lay the thing out on vivisection table properly after sleep ( spent today , among other things, fixing a furnace, bent wrists out , gotta let'em snap back )
asciilifeform: someone summarized for him, and he shat out a 'cliffs notes'
asciilifeform: it is clear that barclay didn't know a word of orig de !!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this goes way back. lemme dig up a recently-found sad :
mircea_popescu: only reason ustard has book in library is as a pedestal for his tupperware sales pitch.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the other solution is that the folx who did the orig scan actually give half a shit and proofread. but this is evidently not ever happening in anglostan outside of dedicated effort like mircea_popescu's
mircea_popescu: omfg Mocky_ how do i link to a specific comment on your site!111
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:41 asciilifeform: http://flibusta.is is asciilifeform's routine 'gutenberg', been a while since i looked at the actual one
asciilifeform: ( consider how long took to clean , to reasonable level of non-sepsis, trb -- a 200x smaller product )
asciilifeform: prolly moar like a yr+ of weekend.
mircea_popescu: it might be doable if one is found to shit a weekend babying a machine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good % of the flagolade is auto-set by the configurator, it's not exactly a civilized product
mod6: I can give it a try and report back on this as well. I have a couple of things to investigate for trinque first though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a reasonably compact kernel, to support various items currently in standard use, raid card, FG serial dongles, iptables.
mircea_popescu: CONFIG_64BIT=y CONFIG_X86_64=y CONFIG_X86=y << always a pleasure to read these.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-19 17:56 asciilifeform: briefly revisiting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888182 find : 'CONFIG_RETPOLINE=n' yields a working kernel (with gcc 4.x), for nao.
asciilifeform: recently as experiment i build a 'latest' kernel with it; and it required curing ! lemme dig up thread :
asciilifeform: the linked item is a text conf
mircea_popescu: but that's just straight up a binary. and if you keep it updated, guess what, it's a ~changing~ binary.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:50 mircea_popescu: alright. so basically, we have a july latest-kernel from alf at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf << diana_coman trinque erryone else interested read and see if it works for you / comment ?
mircea_popescu: "we have so far tried : X (a, b, c works), Y (b, d), Z (a, c, e). let us know if you try more please."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The default in the recipe has changed going forward after a bit of reflection reveals it was my failing
asciilifeform: i regret to inform that i do not have a config that works on 'anythings'
asciilifeform: for instance asciilifeform has a known-working config for all dulap-like boxen; presently in use by diana_coman on iirc both diana_coman units; another for rkisms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'which kernels work?' : this is a++ q, but sadly incomplete, instead q is always 'which kernels for on $iron'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894874 << you know, you ~could~ just alter the setup yourself, make a patch or such. ☝︎
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/02/11/just-about-everything-i-grew-up-understanding-to-be-normal-is-a-recent-invention/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Just About Everything I Grew Up Understanding To Be Normal Is A Recent Invention
hanbot: diana_coman fwiw i ran into a few broken internal links on ossasepia today on account of their still pointing to dianacoman.com, see http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ fo' instance. ☟︎☟︎
lobbes: btw, I managed to finally get a handrolled heathen gentoo installed the other day (my first one ever). Still wrestling with getting networking functional, but once I do I'ma get vtools set up, and then give the cuntoo bootstrap.sh another spin
lobbes: And the utility of reporting applies to oneself too; even though my flailings in http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/initial-cuntoo-testing/ may not be of use to anyone else, -I- now have a ready history of wtf I was thinking/doing years down the line, from which to diff
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 21:14 BingoBoingo: For my own selfish reasons I want to see what you hit your head on, because there is a very real chance when I go to try things I will also hit my head on the same rocks
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894807 << verily. And not even necessarily rocks he hit, but also rocks avoided that less experienced folx may hit (for e.g., I have never debugged a kernel before. Now, when my time to do that comes I know I can check http://blog.mod6.net/2019/02/a-cuntoo-adventure/ to re-read how mod6 did it). ☝︎
mod6: ok, that blog post is now: http://blog.mod6.net/2019/02/a-cuntoo-adventure ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mod6: In terms of ?p=42 versus a string composed of words with maybe some numbers corresponsiding to a date
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feedbot: http://blog.mod6.net/?p=42 << mod6's Blog -- A Cuntoo Adventure
mod6: I've got to go do some snow removal, will be back in a bit.
BingoBoingo: On the other hand there is also the case where, when the datacenter is ready to be paid again, a flurry of undersized payments is likely to lead them to WTF. Further the local liquidity hits a bigger buy/sell spread with the volume the datacenter's monthly requirements demand (And then there are the consequences if third party fails to pay the datacenter to spec).
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894458 <<< I'm working on a simple trilema.com search function, lemme know if you'd like to see a demo. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a $100 bill on which 3 people bid is likely to sell closer to true value than a 2000 chunk on which there's 1 bid.
mircea_popescu: that aside, i'm guessing i still supplied a large-ish chunk of pizarro's dubaloos in 2018. but anyway.
BingoBoingo: Right, especially as after dropping the implied rate for take 2 and keeping that rate through takes 3 and 4 the spread between a low price not getting bids and what local liquidity is offering have grown.
BingoBoingo: This update raises a serious issue in the lack of success I have had setting a price point at auction this month http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/10/pizarro-isp-update-february-10th-2019/#selection-31.0-49.104 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
mircea_popescu: fail that, even something as vague as "on particularly this-and-so hw mix this thing fails in a manner i can't fucking understand" is better than nothing, witness eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886738 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so either write the blog article or don't ; but in any case be like "yo trinque, the problem's X, reproducible through Y, approach a dun work because q happens, approach b dun work because w happens, wut do ?"
mircea_popescu: hence the encouragement to go write a blog article about it -- the idea is that "well, maybe he's not so good at being succint, but if he's stuck telling the whole story then organisation will necessarily emerge for him from it".
trinque: if I hated you, I'd let you proceed and negrate you in a few months. I personally tire of $howOneAppears being the aim, instead of the side-effect of *doing things*
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:14 mod6: So during this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get to work. Upon initial suspicion that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on that also. Same error. So I at least removed the variable of "disk is bad".
BingoBoingo: I suggest lifting head, making some hot chocolate, taking a walk to dump some adrenaline off and get a bit of calm, then returning.
trinque: mod6: is it possible you're just a bit too focused on feelings here?
BingoBoingo: For my own selfish reasons I want to see what you hit your head on, because there is a very real chance when I go to try things I will also hit my head on the same rocks ☟︎
mod6: Also, I'm remembering now, trinque, that I did ask alf about my inital hang that I had in #piz. He suggested that I had a kernel problem, but I never did really ask about it otherwise. I just tried to solve my own problem.
trinque: and less "shit's fucked, man" with a smoke out back.
trinque invites a terse machine-gunning to the face of mod6's notes
mod6: Anyway, I think I'm just a bit frustrated.
mod6: Well, it seemed to me there was a pretty lengthy conversation about Ada threading issues over the last two days, I didn't want to make my problems (with a possible questionable box) the center of attention for everyone.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:02 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:54 mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 01:15 mircea_popescu: gutenberg statistics ? 24 downloads for regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre. in a fucking decade. because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653782
mircea_popescu: this without even going into ridiculous nonsense a la "We produce about two million dollars for each hour we work. The time it takes us, a rather conservative estimate, is fifty hours to get any etext selected, entered, proofread, edited, copyright searched and analyzed, the copyright letters written, etc. This projected audience is one hundred million readers. If our value per text is nominally estimated at one dollar then w
BingoBoingo: mod6: Start bringing out the error reports earlier. It's one very good use of a blog, you compile detailed output of the problem condition and then drop the link here.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and it is VERY HARMFUL fucking junk. having "All donations should be made to "Project Gutenberg/CMU": and are tax deductible to the extent allowable by law. (CMU = Carnegie- Mellon University)." or "Copyright laws are changing all over the world, be sure to check the copyright laws for your country before posting these files!!" in the lede of "The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare" promotes a most harmful
trinque: why did 10 days elapse without a clue entering the forum? this is the "lets do business in #pizarro" thing again
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the one question lingering here is : as ada actually elaborates an init and an exit, as it must, since it does in fact compile, whether there's a way to use these correctly in lieu of "call C-mommy to change diapers".
trinque: I'm certain the cuntoo script is *not done* which is why I'm having folks test it, but I want more out of these tests than "ow, it wasn't a debian installer"
mod6: I've conducted quite a bit of work over these last 10 days, and I know mod6 seems like a "n00b" and "doesn't know what he's doing", but I have managed to install gentoo quite a few times since '15. But yeah, always learning.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform fwiw my initial http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 was informed by the docs; because yes, docs say a lot of "stops" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894753 << i thought mbrs went out with the dos. still a thing ?! ☝︎
mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out. ☟︎
trinque: shinohai: lol at this rate I'm calling it a high priority feature request.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was my motivation for the question. How much junk can be cut in the collection management process on the way to having a library
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:41 spyked: BingoBoingo, that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file types and their sizes, then will add them to the post.
shinohai: Will the "it ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother" be a feature in next version of bootstrapper?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
trinque: "doesn't know where the kernel lives" or "kernel starts logging things and hangs when trying to mount root" or "it ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother"
BingoBoingo: But, you can read the disks with a liveCD running
mod6: But that's what I've got now. 2 250Gb SSDs with Cuntoo on them, neither boot, and now a 500Gb Gentoo disk that has worked perfectly up until just this very moment, which also doesn't boot.
mod6: So during this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get to work. Upon initial suspicion that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on that also. Same error. So I at least removed the variable of "disk is bad". ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Don't waste your time with something requiring an involved install, something that takes a couple clicks an tosses up a heathen linux on a junkpile disk should be fine.
mod6: Anyway, I'll dig up the artifacts off the gentoo disk with the Live CD and still make a post. But regardless, I think I'm gonna have to buy a new machine to mess with this any further.
mod6: What a nightmare. This box has been rock-solid for nearly a year, but now I suspect that perhaps this is a hardware problem with the MB or something? Perhaps the 78 power-cycles and SATA disk swapping that I did over the last 10 days totally hosed the machine itself.
diana_coman: k, I'll take it down and post it a bit later
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know ☟︎
spyked: BingoBoingo, that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file types and their sizes, then will add them to the post. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ^ Not news in the sense they just started, news in the sense "Here's a rich oil field of stupid the dole's funded" or market for how the ghost of Rhodesian unfairness is eating that US colony north of France
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/083-gutenberg-rsync.html << The Tar Pit -- Rsync'ing Project Gutenberg, a report
asciilifeform: i dun know of a workaround for this, either, other than to finally fucking bury unix.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:22 asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not the Real Thing, given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388
asciilifeform: will add to this also, that if yer thread is actually wedged, it will almost always be on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893811 , i.e. waiting for a blocking unix i/o, and no matter what yer pthreads proggy is written in , c, ada, cobol, whatever, it will still become a zombie, cuz unix is retarded. ☝︎☟︎