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mircea_popescu: ditions on the matter being PoW than originally agreed upon, through d) the direct avenue of refusing to continue "non-compliant" chains.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: it wouldn't, naturally, go in w_mux, but in fz_mux. can prove that if the latter has it, so does the former, elementarily
asciilifeform: this is the kind of situation for which 'precondition' item was made.
asciilifeform: iirc i did note that i found that fz_swap is actually used nowhere .
mircea_popescu: also should be a comment there, after the pragma "if you unban these careful about wswap)
asciilifeform: but. but i can think of one scenario where they are not pointers, explicitly, but can still have'em point to same place. (though i also banned it!) --- if there were an allocator pool that somehow put X and Y, conventional nonpointerolade items, in the same exact place in memory.
mircea_popescu: he has a good nose sniffing it out, but i don't believe your sicilian's "if thumbs hurt, cut arm at elbow to be sure" approach is warranted. next patch put a warning in the comments an' let 'em be.
asciilifeform: normally you would have to call it like foo(X.all, Y.all) .
mircea_popescu: but, it wouldn't happen if foo(4,4) nor when foo(x,y) where the VALUES of x=y=4. it'd strictly happen when foo(x,x) ie, same variable_name
asciilifeform: if pointers were permitted -- it could occur in a foo(A, B) when A turns out to point to same thing as B
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my current understanding is that , having banned pointers, it can only occur with an explicit call foo(X, X) , visible to naked eye hamfistmistake in src.
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive how this can occur. how can it occur ?
asciilifeform: somebody oughta get order-of-lenin for these caught wreckerz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your response to apeloyee is correct actually, when you call with the same item you're fucking yourself. BUT!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 16:00 asciilifeform: reminds of : ''I was such a pure and terrifying Aryan that they even put me in a special detachment. Its mission was to find out how the Jews always knew what the S.S. was going to do next There was a leak somewhere, and we were out to stop it' He looked bitter and affronted, remembering it, even though he had been that leak. 'Was the detachment successful in its mission?' I said. 'I'm happy to say,' said Arpad, 'that fourteen S.S. m
asciilifeform: re the vietnamese (lol!) nsa d00d, oblig. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744668 . ☝︎
mircea_popescu: let it be clear for everyone that pushing "cloud" and pushing "Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban" and generally pushing the ustardian aggenda = death.
mircea_popescu: to quote from myself, "just wanted to let you folks know it's great fucking news your sad zombie finally croaked.
asciilifeform: let the cement mixer, tip.
mircea_popescu: * Topic for #linuxjournal is: Welcome to the Social Channel for Linux Journal | www.linuxjournal.com | Ops (@) are LJ Staff | Harmful commands *must* have a disclaimer or you will be banned permanently. | Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban | http://pastebin.com/ | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication
mircea_popescu: better this way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "linux journal" advertises "puppet" and some "in their words" about "becoming a cloud native organisation".
asciilifeform: ( as i understand quite uncommon for them to actually own house or land etc. tho this was an older d00d, possibly -- owned something )
mircea_popescu: yes but by now it is counteradvisable to work for eg nsa if you're not poor from a purely wealth management perspective.
asciilifeform: '...с конфискацией имущества' was the verdict formulation.
asciilifeform: as i understand it is a traditional punishment in incastans. ye olde su had it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now ~90% or so of us "law enforcement" consists of "asset forfeiture". totally not bankrupt empire.
asciilifeform: and meanwhilemeanwhile, another trotskyitewrecker, flynn, also pleabargained
asciilifeform: meanwhile, trotskyite and buharinite wreckers on trial, https://archive.is/Hc6QT >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kPHNg/?raw=true >> 'A former U.S. National Security Agency employee pleaded guilty on Friday to illegally taking classified information outside the spy agency that an intelligence official said was later stolen from his home computer by Russian hackers' etc
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/integration-is-bad-for-bitcoin/ << Trilema - Integration is bad for Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo everything that's not run by usg runs better than anything that's run by usg. you've got a better chance to manage an airplane bombing strike by talking to some obscure black bloc than the dod.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes statistics can produce toxic facts. it is broken like bitcoin, needs "payment protocol"
BingoBoingo: In other news it turns out "language exchange" websites of miniscule size feature better user engagement and higher user activity than Okcupid or the other IAC swaps
BingoBoingo: ^ Bring the comments and beatings
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/02/the-boingo-isp-tbi-november-2017-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP (TBI) November 2017 Statement
ben_vulpes: and in other hn headlines: "five ways to fix statistics" (nature.com) huh fascinating! i hadn't realized that /statistics/ was broken, i was laboring under the impression that it was the /heads/ that were broken.
ben_vulpes: best part is that it only undoes the patch, doesn't re-break macs with root passwords manually set.
phf: lobbes: hehe, you probably ran into me testing a feature, but that's a good idea :)
lobbes: phf aha nice easter egg with a specific search term in btcbase.org. I'll leave it unmentioned so others may have the joy of stumbling on it :)
mod6: I'll try see about finding a new gnat laying around and try that.
mod6: Ok, I commented out the four restrictions that it complained about then : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FaQpe/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ( prolly i oughta lose the last 2 at least, tasking is already off )
asciilifeform: you can comment out the pertinent knobs, see if any other caltrops.
mod6: ah. maybe this one is too old. i'll work on that.
asciilifeform: entirely possibly 2015 didn't have those knobs.
asciilifeform: i tested on gnu's, but 2016
asciilifeform: nm it's in there
mod6: asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: item XI in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic refers to i suspect an unrenumbered X
asciilifeform: ( sometimes it is very obvious who-whom, when demonstrative and spectacular polonium tea etc.; but this is rare. )
asciilifeform: could be just about anyone and anything, asciilifeform is wholly unequipped to say.
mircea_popescu: it conceivably was a bit of personal bitterness over some ancient story about taping people in hotels. or any other thing.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was the ukrs!!1
mircea_popescu: can't say i exactly get it either, but it wasn't teh usians so what exactly is lefty.
asciilifeform: i dun get it, what was the ru aspect
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... prison life can be hard for a 68 yo whom teh russians particularly dun like. bonus points : his lawyer "suicided" self by jumping before train.
mircea_popescu: the guy's son somehow managed to have teh ICSID tell the romanians to get fucked (they actually had an interpol "arrest warrant" out for the guy)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, if you want another vignette : dan adamescu was this fellow, 2nd richest romanian (excluding mp, of course) in 2013. then the govt took its krysha back, his company magically was now bankrupt, by 2016 he was being sent to jail for supposedly trying to bribe the judgtes in a 1e8 civil case with 20k. early 2017 had died, of septicemia, for which he had been placed in medical coma. it all begun with a knee ope
mircea_popescu: not from legal. which would make the alien anthropologist suspect the russkis have the great inca, not the usskis.
asciilifeform: no odder than engl word 'right'
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ru "correct" is moar like "legal" than anything.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT)
mircea_popescu now wants a computer LIKE THAT!
mircea_popescu: the above. "E1337 : i dunno how to evaluate if you're right".
mircea_popescu: (in other news, #trilema fucking takes the cake in terms of error messages.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to evaluate yet if you're right.
asciilifeform: ( recently asciilifeform found and of course locally mirrored some rando d00d's ftp with a few GB of bolixism. this is not imho properly a job for auto-archivebot, normally )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some kind of uci is the only possible solution to "superinformation highway" potholes.
mircea_popescu: (i guess this isn't obvious to anyone but me, but obviously once the item is in chan the very first next extension is "now let it take a list of urls in paste from user")
asciilifeform: but must point out that it does not magick away the problem of rot.
asciilifeform: not an objection to having an archivebot
mircea_popescu: nothing infinite is ever practical, so this objection is moot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it dun have infinite depth tho ( impractical )
mircea_popescu: yes, large, difficult, etc task. not however avoidable, in the end.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 23:44 phf: well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745291 << kinda what the whole archives lobbes and others been working on is all about ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:58 asciilifeform: find new and new crops of fresh 'we owe everything we have to the great inca' nobodies ?
mircea_popescu: misoginy turned up to the >9000.
mircea_popescu: and the whole fucking point is SPECIFICALLY so that they can't accomplish anything and get fucked in exactly the way blacks got fucked via obamaing.
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact that in 3-400mn walkers there's at least a dozen or two chicks who could have done it.
asciilifeform: but in usa as mircea_popescu put it 'there COULD have been green beret, but then nope'
mircea_popescu: in my topgun hs class we had a chick being chem first hand and another being either math or physics 2nd hand, whichever line was thin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa that was prolly some time before wilson, so i never saw
mircea_popescu: i dunno if anyone remembers, BUT! there was a point in earth's history when what chick said was not automatically dumb.
asciilifeform: in '99 the net was still something that 'hm, i'ma turn on modem, dial, sync my newsreader, then it's yer turn, brother' etc
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything, from usenet to "what will the chick you pick up via irc or from a game lan party say".
mircea_popescu: nah, the damage wasn't really done even in 1999.
mircea_popescu: two major divides : a) post cunt-is-for-fucking late 80s what with the condoms, pills, disco scene end and b) pre internet-is-for-everyone 2005 or so
asciilifeform: the uncrossable divide seems to be pre- vs post- reddit age.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in so far as i can tell, having access to actual comp is not necessarily good for a kid
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!" << In sixth grade computer (Apple II) was introduced to class as drawing thing (turtle graphics)
mircea_popescu: the latter i expect will be the "x switch" folk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!"
asciilifeform: many interesting concepts therein.
mircea_popescu: i recall that story ye.
asciilifeform: ( with quite minor, in the big picture, differences )
asciilifeform: phunphakt, ada was originally a contest ( in chet-era usa mil ) and 'green ada' , a iirc french entrant, won; was made by pascalists. ergo today's looks quite like pascal
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the concept of "programming" in a sense other than direct memory write was something i had to deliberately learn against inclination. like mult table, about the same time. "wtf is this bs and why am i writing words"
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615371 << the nutrient alone is not enough to produce maggots. e.g., 'SWAG' archive ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-18#1241627 ) of pascal snippets existed, was first class . 0 maggotry.