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mircea_popescu sings, "you would be angry too... if it happened... tooo yoooou"
asciilifeform: ( though even there, in the slightly less 'female' folx, they had angry godz )
asciilifeform: witness the gods pictured by tropical fuckwits
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
asciilifeform: divine anger was always the part that made sense to everybody. ( at least everybody other than the poor benighted http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 folx . ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "what if YOU had to make ten for every four ?"
mircea_popescu: turns out that the first and perhaps only possible result of natural philosophy is to explain why divine anger is necessary and justified.
mircea_popescu: "for them to find four i gotta put in ten, and it gets worse as you go further"
asciilifeform: 'motherfuckers, i gave then such particle-like electrons, and they STILL dun have roomtemp supercon...'
mircea_popescu: he's stuck putting in there material we only reliably get log(n) of
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:31 mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759577 << if beelzebub made the levels for us to walk, he must be quite disappointed at the '% secrets' (think to 'doom'/'doom2' level endings, lol) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:30 mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759576 << steps that are taller than the tallest man, look like walls, not steps ☝︎
asciilifeform: and there's a reason we're talking over waveguide and not, say, entangletron
asciilifeform: or for that matter, usable maxwell. ( modern electronic design uses a narrowly restricted, i.e. sorta-fits-in-head special form of maxwell )
mircea_popescu: (i deliberately said "a guy like einstein" to avoid the history discussion)
asciilifeform: phakt : plenty of 'next steps' that apparently too tall. e.g. roomtemp supercon.
asciilifeform: problem is that the stairwell pov presupposes its conclusion. 'it happened, thereby it was the next step.' exactly 'newton sat down to discover'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: this however is not the problem
mircea_popescu: however wide that register may be...
mircea_popescu: sort-of akin to running mt_rand on (0, infinity) and expecting results to fit a register.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:28 mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
mircea_popescu: turns out... it fucking helps having the letters, at the very least if you are intent on interacting with one who does.
mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate of any functional republic, res divinae, the two together forming... a religion.
mircea_popescu: that's what "caesar was proclaimed god" means, to the roman mind.
mircea_popescu: and since i mentioned that : religion simply means acknowledgement of one's betters. it's all it is, worthip of the superior.
mircea_popescu: (and evidently, if this is not evident, the argument is not limited to culture ; theory of evolution proposes a succession of steps to arrive to humanoid, that all similarily also happened. wel...)
mircea_popescu: (lit hum includes all sciences from agriculture to string theory + philosophy, for the record)
mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS!!! there are MANY!!! steps in this ladder, that all occured.
mircea_popescu: evidently this is a matter of selected group, humanity only ever took thesteps it could take, so its whole stairwell will be bound by what a biosack shaped like human could overstep
mircea_popescu: now, from a strict probabilistic perspective, there's nothing evidently requiring ALL the god damned stairs to be one foot tall at the most. yet, they all are.
mircea_popescu: if you look at the history of the human thought, a certain sense of "stairwell" does become apparent -- they did x which suddenly made y feasible and guess what ? sooner or later (usually, later : see gunpowder steam engine and all the numerous examples we keep rehashing in logs) they'd y!
mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is not a singular example, it is a pattern, and a pattern that VERY insistently repeats.
mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: now, those peoples that did have iron in the environment, flourished. those that did not, became the fuckign tupi, stuck forever in stone age.
mircea_popescu: up splashed all over this one's surface.
mircea_popescu: human civilisation is entirely dependent on iron being present within its early environment. while it's true that iron is overwhelmingly abundant on earth, making up as it does 1/3 of it by mass, it is nevertheless also heavy enough to not be abundant on the surface. it is abundant in the core only. the surface iron comes from ancient collision with tinier earths that, like this one, had an iron-ish core, which core then ends
asciilifeform: let's. ( i'ma come to tea, brb )
mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version : ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno if i did this before, but let's put it in the logs at the risk of repeating self.
mircea_popescu: admittedly putting down bottle hard to do, all this self-determination and choice-having and gotta watch teh tv gets in the way. but anwyay.
mircea_popescu: it's quite fucking obvious that you don't need to computhe the 5th decimal of pi to compute the billionth, if you just put down the bottle for one moment.
asciilifeform: not clear why one 'cleverness' but other, 'fortune', could just as easily say the reverse
mircea_popescu: there's outright cleverness, like that guy's method to compute inside pi ; and then there's just sheer good fucking fortune, like karatsuba.
asciilifeform: ( imho 1 of the great finds of that century, no less )
mircea_popescu: the major advantage of ever seeing a log in the big O is that well... log promises very good returns at end tail!
asciilifeform: dedicated primality tester ic would rock.
asciilifeform: but nothing short of that.
mircea_popescu: whole point of exercise was, slow, yes, but actually not slow enough to discard entirely out of hand
mircea_popescu: so it is not THAT useless.
mircea_popescu: if it takes 723 days, the item would STILL complete within the lifetime of the republic, which is to say roughly speaking 723 × 146 × 2 / 365 = 578.4 years.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 23:19 asciilifeform: btw that french aks is geological. n==11701 has been running for 10+ minutes, and is on ~9600; author's code indicates that answer appears at iteration 1000000007. that'd be 723 days on this box.
mircea_popescu: ie, if http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753823 takes one week to compute, a full rsa sized item would take about a year. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record : the ratio is ~146.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving
mircea_popescu: why the hell not.
asciilifeform: eh who keeps idjits-in-exile other than the 'they' for anyhing.
asciilifeform: dun have to be in old london. can put in orbit, like in pelevin's 'snuff'
mircea_popescu: they. no moar theys.
asciilifeform: it's just this place, where they keep 'governments in exile', lel
mircea_popescu: eh, london. fuck london, nobody is ever going there again.
shinohai: aha praise be to the logs, and a South Park episode to boot!
mircea_popescu: because obviously, why the hell not.
asciilifeform: send to london!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 20:41 mircea_popescu: there's a great southpark episode explaining how this false dychotomy is intended to work in practice (i'm a bit couintry & im a bit rock and roll item)
mircea_popescu: shinohai retarded brits maneuvering themselves into trying to matter. when hatman visited queen, some local fuckwits organised a buncha streetwalkers to pretend like they represent "the gypsy community" and "independently want to be called romania from now on". because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739911 wasn't invented by ustards, they just copied. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's so tantalizingly perfect it'd be hard to believe not used while not believing people involved are all rank idiots.
shinohai: i still wanna know why Romania let Chad get away with stealing their flag.
mircea_popescu: if /me ran the whole thing, item'd be used for all it's worth (less importantly, give promising kids a chance to learn what critical safety is ; more importantly, give promising kids chance to exclude themselves on grounds of can not keep a secret. "big hush" the secret thorium reactor would be lynchpin of the whole thing)
asciilifeform: hey betcha somebody in ro even knows about the beta thing.
mircea_popescu: obvious teaching tool etc.
asciilifeform: ( where is thorium , consider )
asciilifeform: it isn't even 'high tech'n, pretty clear how it works if you look at mendeleev table
mircea_popescu: anyway, ro maintains very lively solid state physics programme at universities (mostly, buchjarest/magurele), i would not be surprised if they had one on the grounds.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff pre-zombiefication PG mentioned that his father had come to usa from britain to build breeder-reactors. and then driven into sad-retirement when pantsuitisml
mircea_popescu: so saying "no" is tall ortder, da fuck anyone knows.
BingoBoingo: In other news, on January 5th or 8th tentatively penciling in an appointment with the data center to hammer out more details, pricing information, etc. By that point there should be a business to do contract signing even if banking continues to be a challenge.
mircea_popescu: the thing with these is they don't have to be big
asciilifeform: (e.g. new york stands on enormous thorium vein)
asciilifeform: 'breeders' were a major thrust in pre-pantsuit usa, where abundant thorium
asciilifeform: is there ? su afaik did not build any
mircea_popescu: anyway, 10-20k rods a year. this is not a lot objectively, but it keeps the item going
asciilifeform: tomato for petrol. but today imports both from eu. because spread legs for nato.
asciilifeform: bulgaria, land of tomato, aha.
mircea_popescu: bulgarians were enthusiastic over the idea.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bulgaria opens dry spent nuclear fuel depot - Reuters: <http://www.reuters.com/article/bulgaria-nuclear-waste-idAFLDE74A13D20110512>; Will The Russians Become Fuel Supplier To U.S. Nuclear Power ...: <https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/05/31/will-the-russians-become-fuel-supplier-to-u-s-nuclear-power-plants/>; Cracks found in protective casings at Bulgaria nuclear plant - Phys.org: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: well, you know that time the caer came up with idea of making eastern europe agricultural zone, and ceausescu threatened to quit the warsaw pact ?
asciilifeform: i was thinking of bulgaria specifically.
mircea_popescu: imbecile austrians, that DID convince the world hitler was german and mozart austrian, NEVERTHELESS DID NOT!!!! figure out why they come to bucharest to seek money in 2007.
asciilifeform: long in the tooth, and with american ersatz fuel by ge co. -- but running.
mircea_popescu: and nobody wants to look at why both a) romania became industrial power and b) romania was the only above-water state during crisis.
asciilifeform: iirc good chunk of eastern europistan to this day running on golden age reactors
BingoBoingo described US agriculture to the Brasileros. "In Estados Unidos, corn is grown and converted to sugar. Anything else costs too much to do. All of the livestock subsist on fermented corn chaff."
mircea_popescu: the thing with these is they self-support. WAY the fuck more expensive to have 1st nuke power plant than to add the 1001th to a 1000 fleet.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:12 asciilifeform: then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...'
asciilifeform: troo: i have nfi what kw-hour would cost in e.g. a china that goes full-bore su-style fission buildout