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asciilifeform: PeterL: i expect we'll find out, when lobbes resets the bot, whether it handles this case correctly
mp_en_viaje: it's like 8 here. i had to cut my belgrade stay, wtf may! i r disappoint!
asciilifeform: i tried to find this out last time, and turned out that the co. is retarded, they could not even definitively promise that 2 x 45kg will get loaded.
BingoBoingo: I suspect the same
BingoBoingo: When I came down here business class was at least twice as expensive as economy.
lobbes_field: As such, I'll start poking around at mod_lisp, et al. Will report back ☝︎☟︎
lobbes_field: Now, it seems we could go many directions re: (a), but I'm partial to the lisp-to-apache route ☝︎
lobbes_field: Since (c) is in spyked's hopper already, I'll let him take this item (and I will read/sign it once genesised)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 09:32 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 <-- so far wwwism kit seems to include: a. http server, b. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-125.0-132.0, c. html gen. (a) is the next item on my list, with (c) and (b) coming next, and... is there a (d)?
mp_en_viaje: but i mean, what's the punch of the pbcomics thing
asciilifeform: there was old film, which i think mp_en_viaje's link is a frame from 'modern' remake of, where some kid unwraps a chocolate bar and 'ticket to tour the magic factory' where bathe in chocolate and etc
mp_en_viaje: i confess i don't get it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! i was aboutta say, 'that's where asciilifeform switches off ac, not turns on heat'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, current-day brazil is a petromiamistan, rather like current ru (picture if ru were moved to equator, for extra tropical-stupidity radiation damage ..) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i suppose this is a possible 'harem sport' -- chix take turns drinking one another's 'morarji cola' , last 1 to give up, winner
asciilifeform: 'then we will die and feed the worms, feed the worms, ducks, they will come and eat'em up, eat'em up, others will come and eat up ducks, eat the ducks...' etc i fughet how the rest.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, rather's the situation, i move from restaurant to cafe and from cafe to club and from club to hotel and from etcetera. i suppose if i were desperate i could order a girl drink me, but so far's not been any need for that.
mp_en_viaje: half dressed dood totally would've sucked it if i said something
mp_en_viaje: it occurs to me i had no impulse to seek a public toilet, i can't recall since when.
asciilifeform: dunno re when mp_en_viaje was still there, but incidentally the spiffy underground toilets in the museum square were chained shut, when i saw'em in '17
asciilifeform: i saw at least 2 other roughly similar.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i'm not even sure i ever saw that particular one. not that there's any shortage.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911437 << at 1 time i dug into phf's leads in prev thread re subj and tried to determine a 'time of death', i.e. approx moment when -- apparently -- the 'old guard' (folx who maybe quasi-remembered, secondhand, lispm) retired/decamped/descended into bottle, and poetterings took over. but then realized it is not esp. useful q to ask. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje attempted to read the year-old convo you linked here, seems to me it's substantially unrelated. i was protesting poor organisation on historical lisp team, the "oh but c sucks" point never was either disputed or much engaged.
asciilifeform: i'm not aware of any previous cl httptron that made this particular cut, so it's defo worth attempting imho.
mp_en_viaje: i do not think this is necessarily so, specifically because of the narrowness of http usecase.
mp_en_viaje: i thought phf 's idea was to map the set vs the usecase set.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not giving implementation details, i'm tryna draw the architectural lines.
asciilifeform: yer still stuck with ffiism tho, i.e. can't even open socket to receive input from apache w/out it.
mp_en_viaje: i believe.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, i've not sawed it thoroughly appart. but seems vaguely flavoured in right thing vein
mp_en_viaje: i think apache mod cl thing brings it up once per instance (of apache)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the folx who 'i went to 7 countries! i.e. ate 'bigmac' in 7 diff. mcdonaldsen' ? that's exactly it.
mp_en_viaje: i run into these schmucktards with the "ourdemocracy" beards all the damned time. "oh, i've been to spain". no, motherfucker, you haven't been to spain. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: phf, quite. and, in this statement, it's precisely that sorta loli productivity i object to.
phf: i don't think cffi is much about support of anything, it's almost always "there's a gnarly C library that i don't want to write in lisp, going to make a thin wrapper around, now has support for X
mp_en_viaje: if this is the choice i'd rather bake loli anony than loli veira.
mp_en_viaje: but i am also not happy about ending up with who knows what loli baked into "traditional tmsr process"
mp_en_viaje: from the contrary perspective : i get it that you folk wanna write lisp. the principal problem seems to be that this can't currently be actually done
mp_en_viaje: not particularly, but i'm sure
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why which ? why open sockets by talking to linux ? i agree, the Right Thing would be a cltron that drives nic directly etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 09:44 phf: spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-147.0-153.252 << i've used araneida for early btcbase, i've dropped it in transition from cmucl, but i'd say that it's the least encumbered of the bunch. i don't remember it having any "administration interfaces". it's written in the late 90s hacky style, and it's missing functionality (for example i wrote entire form parsing logic when i was trying to add patch
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911356 << i seem to recall that this was when the log www regularly fell down... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 09:23 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910755 <-- I dun much like hunchentoot, on account of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-187.0-192.0 ; but I'm open to using it if the alternatives turn out to be insufficient
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911347 << last time i surveyed the available items (~decade ago) 'hunchentoot' turned out to be the only 1 that wasn't fatally defective in some obvious way (some of the alternatives wouldn't build at all, others -- wouldn't use iron threads on x86; yet others missing some large piece , e.g. custom eggog pgs , etc ) but it's been a while ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 06:55 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911324 -> yes, it's a brick of a book but in fact not really dense or anything; everytime I haul it out of the shelf and onto the table I inevitably wonder why exactly is it so heavy really.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911332 << heavy cuz glossy paper, i suspect. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 19:44 asciilifeform: so can haz a hypothetical contrary ? i.e. how would it have looked to have 'standard interface' to a thing which itself has no intention of obeying any standards ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'foreign function interface', i.e. mechanism for calling unixisms (socket, fileism, mmapism, etc)
mp_en_viaje: spyked, you got the format backwards, linked "curl" with an anchor of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-125.0-132.0
jurov: Lest I forget: cl-async does not support slime
jurov: I disrecommend. Messed with cl-async (via vim interface) and it's hell to debug. It also takes over debug and trace outputs and redirects then nooneknowswhere.
spyked: re ffi, in that older research I've tried to avoid fast-running code in favour of fits-in-head, but I'll make sure to double-check in this iteration. the only www-related cffi dependency I recall was in cl+ssl, which I will remove on sight before genesis
spyked: phf: I might have misread http://archive.is/iUlSp#selection-2259.0-2270.0 ; anyway, I've only used cl-http-server seriously so far and would highly appreciate input from phf and ben_vulpes on cl wwwtronics
phf: it doesn't have any kind of "architecture", so more than once i've had to hack somewhere deep inside request parsing code in order to support something or other
phf: spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-147.0-153.252 << i've used araneida for early btcbase, i've dropped it in transition from cmucl, but i'd say that it's the least encumbered of the bunch. i don't remember it having any "administration interfaces". it's written in the late 90s hacky style, and it's missing functionality (for example i wrote entire form parsing logic when i was trying to add patch ☟︎
spyked: grrr, I meant b. curl
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 <-- so far wwwism kit seems to include: a. http server, b. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-125.0-132.0, c. html gen. (a) is the next item on my list, with (c) and (b) coming next, and... is there a (d)? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 18:39 asciilifeform: lobbes_field: i've previously used 'cl-who', but it needs to get eaten/genesised/frozen
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910755 <-- I dun much like hunchentoot, on account of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-187.0-192.0 ; but I'm open to using it if the alternatives turn out to be insufficient ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 12:04 mircea_popescu: someone was even going to implement it, which is the last i heard of it.
mp_en_viaje: so i suppose the right thing to do, if ever swallowed by some mastoton or w/e, is drop one's pants and fuck the damned thing's gullet.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-05 23:32 asciilifeform: i suspect that errybody with even surface familiarity with subj of hanging, knows this
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911324 -> yes, it's a brick of a book but in fact not really dense or anything; everytime I haul it out of the shelf and onto the table I inevitably wonder why exactly is it so heavy really. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:05 diana_coman: speaking of Barnes' Ada book: it IS very useful and I certainly do go back to it quite often still for all sorts but it still has at times such ideas that I can't stand; e.g. "The reader will probably feel that the activation mechanism is somewhat elaborate. However, in practice, the details will rarely need to be considered. They are mentioned in order to show that the mechanism is well defined rather than because of their everyday import
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entirely unrelated lulz, asciilifeform came across a 1984 edition of barnes's ada at flea market , and it's ~pocket-sized . i suspect that if one were to write a 'tmsr ada' dead tree, would look ~similar roughly ☝︎
danielpbarron: not really my expertise, and the land i bought is not really fit for livestock
danielpbarron: i might get into legal cannabis growing
danielpbarron: yes where i got the house we are "in the middle of nowhere" but my appartment is in a college town
danielpbarron: i don't own any animals besides my cat, but several fellow church goers have horses and/or cows
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i thought the mega-virtue of oklahomistan is where it is largely empty
danielpbarron: i don't know the details of it
asciilifeform: i've been inside the 'scientology' church in dc, it is luxurious (and utterly batshit) item . so surely cannot be much of obstacle, this.
danielpbarron: well that's my only source of income, so ya i guess
danielpbarron: i bought a house
asciilifeform: i suspect that errybody with even surface familiarity with subj of hanging, knows this ☟︎
asciilifeform: gotta be. i dun have the freud-fu to say exactly how tho.
mp_en_viaje: i expect some homoeroticism went into it.
asciilifeform: let's illustrate. 'umi yukaba', jp naval anthem, '37 and on. 'if i go to sea / i shall be a washed up corpse. / if i go to the mountains / a corpse i shall be in the grass / but as i die for the emperor / i will have no regret ' roughly.
asciilifeform: ' I am a corpse looking for a place to drop when this is over ' << aaha
diana_coman: for that matter I'm not even sure what exactly are they *less* conservative about, anyway
mp_en_viaje: "i'm the guy that so and so".
mp_en_viaje: honestly, i'd propose it's about 0% different from how things work here. have the creds and speak the words, you're in, takes all of three and a half minutes.
mp_en_viaje: kinda how this goes, i'd guesstimate about 2/3 of reproductive age females and 1% or so of reproductive age males know-about-it
asciilifeform: ( come to think of it, i dun recall at any point mp_en_viaje travelogue where 'this-here country has a++ bsdm!' -- this ever even existed ? )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 17:56 mp_en_viaje: heck, half my discussions of such start with "that idiot one, with the horse face" or equivalent. i've been living for many years with tons of entries in the pantsuit namespace not resolving to anything whatsoever, and to no detriment.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911176 << I can see that possibility ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: heck, half my discussions of such start with "that idiot one, with the horse face" or equivalent. i've been living for many years with tons of entries in the pantsuit namespace not resolving to anything whatsoever, and to no detriment. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: (gns is gns, a's can be domain names as they can be dictionary words. i can see the argument for "global warming" or w/e tv "celebrity" not resolving to anything.)
mp_en_viaje: consider education : you could sleep in class instead of paying attention. "but why would i ?" "you fucking wouldn't, obviously. but if someone did -- will you guard them ?"
asciilifeform: i've prolly signed moar entirely logically-exclusive documents than anyone else, but they were proggy variants. if one were to do this re ip/name , then, what , gotta manually disentangle vtree erry time you want to resolve a site ?!
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 05:31 mp_en_viaje: (in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911102 is at best naive : if you insist that my key does not sign competing chains [which is not even necessarily a bad idea] i will simply make ~multiple keys~, which will each sign whichver chain i wish to sign for whatever reason, and which will pass the "omg civil war" safeguard while achieving exactly no satisfaction of the bijection contemplated -- they'll still be my keys, one and all.)
Mocky: my point is not that this is likely to happen, but that it would defeat the purpose of host name resolution to release patches in this way and so it would end up being a linear chain among cooperating folks. But on further consideration I see that this is only true when patches contain more than mapping change
Mocky: mp, I can make my point using your flow if you allow a slight change to the patch at t1, such that instead of 'a0 -> b0, a1 -> b2' it does 'a0 -> b9, a1 -> b2'.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911138 << I did not construe asciilifeform's language of civil war/schism to suggest that the proposal is weak to systematic attack, merely that a schism between people could be reflected in the graph ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, apparently yest trilema header was blank because i used - instead of _ in filename. pshaw.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i guess maybe i'm being ddos'd ? nfi, by now kinda weird.
diana_coman: heh, fornetti is the universal name for industrialised replacement of replacement in the pastry world; I hadn't realised it had spread that far.
mp_en_viaje: this is a horrible loss to human culture i guess few are apt to appreciate. but horrible nevertheless.