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asciilifeform: it is specifically ~not~ meant to be modified and used as building block by folx who aren't asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: but even that aside, i still don't see wtf is wrong with "we'll produce sane binaries instead of waiting for whatever shit-kit rando luser has to spit out whatever it does".
mircea_popescu: nobody does this ; you don't either.
mircea_popescu: i have to fucking compile every thing the 9000th time, i can't just put binary images on my 9001th rockchip ?! ☟︎
asciilifeform: crypto is a thing; secrecy has a place, like lubrication oil; but you wouldn't build engine that relies on being soaked in oil at all times, errywhere, steering wheel , pedals and seats included
asciilifeform: i'm struggling and failing to come up with a scenario where it doesn't ultimately land you in the same hot pot of ridiculous boiling oil as usg boils in.
mircea_popescu: like i dunno, don't up all idiots so they shiot the log. thart's not a confidence ?
mircea_popescu: nono, i didn't mean you and me. i meant, l1.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, as I understand it, this is first and foremost a political statement; the gains are not from "oooh, you don't know my ugly code"
asciilifeform: i don't specifically know how mircea_popescu proposes to limit distribution of src . but , say, l1-ciphered encyclicals would count
mircea_popescu: well it can't, server is the heart of things.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect it lost anything. what did it gain ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't take my meaning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) there's no practical possibilty for collective answerable ; b) as discussed in previous thread (when you were trying to make up contest rules), it's not possible to prove the owner himself didn't leak.
diana_coman: it doesn't automatically mean that; but if it turns out yes, it's the client's author that is left out to dry, no?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there is of course the fact that l1 is neither for life nor perhaps yet all that difficult to get in and out - I don't know whether this is a l1 matter or a s.mg board matter ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "oh, the code belongs to the people". things can't belong to things incapable of ownership. which is why the stars belong to me, not me to mother earth or w/e is the american indian femview.
mircea_popescu: i do not presently believe it is ~possible~ to not to ; idiotic socialistoidisms aside. and no, i don't think the world, or even the garbage bin, of the "idealistic" "visionary" nonsense, either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't aim, not to accomplish nor to anything. but i wrote it down! by numbers! what i imagine the outcomes to be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this isn't either 1 nor 2 nor 3.
asciilifeform: even outside of coloism -- e.g. google kept the troo cr50 sores 'seekrit' ; didn't prevent http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829533 ☝︎
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Mocky 3 at 2018/05/21 06:31:29 << Mocky Habeeb. Wrote a book on Amazon DB ; works for infraWise (which is pretty lulzy, but don't hold it against him).
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it isn't impossible to keep a seekrit, but proposition re doing so to a proggy that has to run on colo'd boxen ( in many cases outside of festung pizarro, even ) is dubious imho
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know whether this would work well for systems work. but we're starting this discussion with a ~client~. 99% of people WANT the binary in thew first place.
mircea_popescu: the evident disadvantage is that this only works if we can rely on l1 to keep a secret ; which means things (such as, that it can't be as big, for instance). ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 14:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834842 << ave1's builder doesn't seem to produce a ldd .
diana_coman: basically I have zlib installed and I even checked: it IS in /lib but ./configure doesn't consider it fine ☟︎
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834848 << In case it wasn't clear what this was for, was for DC payment for July 2018. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( possibly we aren't quite there yet, and it still links something dynamically? )
asciilifeform: ( it doesn't come with gcc, it's a drepperism )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834842 << ave1's builder doesn't seem to produce a ldd . ☝︎☟︎
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834795 << nah, no list yet. I've yet to successfully build a lisp, but alpine has sbcl, so I don't wager it's impossible. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <trinque> some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example. <<As far as I can tell Alpine is a musl build of gentoo, comparatively clean. Void on the other hand is more like a tampon. Bloody inside and out
mircea_popescu: doesn't it amstan , you dirty little whore daughter of a stupid mother.
asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834771 << from ~cold~ node it backs up as well as anything else . point was that i can't think of any good reason to do it that way, nodes ( correctly-built, i.e. with aggression ) are self-replicating reasonably quickly ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup. ☝︎☟︎
trinque: to take a specific example, my mention of musl distros isn't an excuse for anyone to blindly pilfer patches and then sign because "built!!"
diana_coman: trinque, cheers! glad it wasn't worse there really (will see for the rest :D )
trinque: some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example.
mircea_popescu: i can't tell you just how fucking thrilled we are it was actually approachable in this level.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i've found that trb state can't be effectively backed up without stopping the node ( otherwise indices turn to barf . ) how do you do yours ? periodic stops ?
shinohai: pogo also makes a handy local binhost, for those who don't wish to build the same 500 packages when trying new stuff on gentoo.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 15:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/07/and-they-said-you-cant-take-it-with-you/ << The Whet - And they said you can't take it with you.
mircea_popescu: if they were capable of thought they wouldn't have the problems of idiots.
mircea_popescu: notice as in, you know, actually notice, "omfg i can't believe what a shithead i am, missed out on the financial bitcoin train and then on the political too, i truly am too stuipid to fucking live" and subsequently blow their brains out, as any sort of rational process absolutely dictates...
BingoBoingo: The morcilla won't make itself
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, ~all that is *already* in the logs; but I don't know what sort of shoving and pushing and prodding will get him to really search for it
asciilifeform: ( supposing diana_coman or trinque don't cure it first )
brazilish: problem: downloaded asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch and placed in patches folder, same for the sig file in .seals, then running ./v.pl p v trb054 makefiles.vpatch, but i don't get the patch in the src files
diana_coman: you can ask; I don't see the benefit to either of us in an answer
diana_coman: brazilish, it will get slower; iirc there is even some known further slow down ~300k ; that doesn't mean though that more cores will do anything; before you attempt throwing more cores at it or better disks or whatever, you need to understand *what* causes this slow down; so if you are serious about it, go and investigate and see where is the bottleneck
mod6: BingoBoingo: I'm gonna let you think about it for a few days if you need. Think about if you really want to take on major parts of this role. I think you ~can~ do it. But, I don't want you to feel overwhelemed or pushed into it either.
mod6: But I missed what you were asking, you were asking if I was going to promote BingoBoingo. I totally didn't even get that until just now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and you! don't get into that situation where halp, has not what to eat and nothing's moving, you hear ? survival skills, yes!
mod6: I sent out personalized letters to two Lords asking if they wanted to fill the role. I didn't sit back and kick it.
mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh him. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the impediment is here. looky here : 1. you want to write a ~new~ job description, now. the job isn't new, so where's the old job description ? if you didn't have one then, why would you have one now, and if you didn't think you need one then, why would you need one now, and if it didn't occur to you to write it then why are you qualified to write it now ?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time. << One way to handle this is... Take over what ben_vulpes on an interim basis and hand off tasks you don't have time for.
mod6: I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think you have any business getting involved, fwiw. you're doing great in your line, keep doing that.
BingoBoingo: lobbes et al: I'll keep taking stuff on my plate, but the reason Pizarro isn't BBISP is... A need for more direction.
mircea_popescu: because the moron utterly has to http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ ; can't simply come fucking here, register a key, do something useful as ordered. no, none of that, business school produces more special cuntlets than miss america competitions, he gotta sing his own fucking tune. because this is actually possible, every dick, tan and harry can come up with marching tunes.
diana_coman: mod6, ok, but this doesn't strike me like a position that you can interview for exactly just like that, you print the ad in the newspaper and interview applicants or something
mod6: No, this isn't really for me. And more-over I have too much to do already.
diana_coman: mod6, BingoBoingo aren't you though in the best position to work this out?
asciilifeform: ( wasn't plugged in, but prolly worked, supposing the coolant is still in. 0 moving parts. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Back in old country there weren't even quiet and cold on the sales floor
asciilifeform: 'maybe haven't found the right magnets yet!'
BingoBoingo: There was a parallel meat/tech failure Junior year which ended it. Wifi routers were just starting to become a thing and people kept plugging the WAN cable into the wrong ports. This happened repeatedly in casacades of failure because "Internet doesn't work, port must be bad"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that ain't a tech failure, that's a meat failure.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, most usa zeks couldn't bbs today even if wanted to, the faux voicetel-over-fiber thing they have won't carry modem
asciilifeform: the 1 remaining use case is reaching out to heathens who can't be pinged through anything else, but i haven't had any result worth half a shit with that in aeons , so that leaves just about nuffin
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i can't find a use for email. if it's not a trilema-article-and-link nor a p.bvulpes-and-link then why isn't it in #trilema.
asciilifeform: afaik it doesn't auto-timestamp tho, iirc ben_vulpes , trinque , and possibly others, use linux system log to 'cheat' and get timestamps from trb
asciilifeform: i suggested it specifically to shinohai because he's apparently still experimenting with trb and afaik isn't tied up with anyffing else.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the block processing delay was a kind of red herring, turned out that 'wait for rain to fall' was in fact the culprit in all ( known to asciilifeform ) cases of 'trb node won't stay in sync'
diana_coman: right; I didn't press that patch
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, but it might even help at a later time; it wouldn't be wasted time at any rate
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, I didn't; and yes, it has stayed as far as I can tell (i.e. I check it daily to see if it's in sync and it has been in sync for several months now); if you have somewhere a step-by-step thing with what would be interesting to publish, I can go through it and do it but otherwise tbh I'm so swamped with other stuff that it's waaaay at the bottom of any queue
diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did ☟︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch
mircea_popescu: i guess i just don't program enough.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in abominably rubbishy toolchains, the practice of 'doing the checks the compiler oughta have but author was dropped as a baby and so it doesn't', roughly.
asciilifeform: recall frederick's 'soldier is guilty of merely existing! what he has or hasn't done, is a distant secondary' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: it's not much of a solution, to wit it doesn't even concinve anyone, but at least it doesn't include serfs' faces and boots and mud.
mircea_popescu: they're only there ironically, don't you know ?
mircea_popescu: this could business... it cuts quite a far swathe. 1518 dairy ~couldn't~ believe she could sit on duchess couch, take duke cock. COULD NOT. doesn't fit in there, like with ducks. in the immortal words of a certain mammie, "it ain't fittin', it just ain't fittin'".
mircea_popescu: the proof is in the pudding : if one doesn't believe that could, one couldn't possibly find himself in north america. because... COULD NOT.
mircea_popescu: yes, but if there's structure there can't be equality. and if there can't be equality, it then follows that ~not everyone could be anything they wanted to~. that could is currently underpinning the whole world economy, as the jesus nut of it all.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem, however, is that you absolutely need a structure of authority to "distinguish men from vermin". and the whole http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ is all about hwo the autistic boys don't understand who daddy is.
mircea_popescu: why should inept creditors have anything ? money doesn't belong with old farts anymore than it belongs with disused wives, it's just not how money works.
mircea_popescu: yes, but... "There isn't, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. "
mircea_popescu: just because "london sunk" doesn't mean 1mn black tards can now pay an extra twenty each.
mircea_popescu: consider the matter properly : so girl has put capers! in pot of coffee. because can't tell the difference between cardamom or capers, or because too tired, or mischevious, or fucked in the head or you call it, whatever. here's now a nice old style pot (anyone besides me sill use these, btw ? the tronconic items ?) with over a liter of capercoffee made out of SEVEN heaped spoonfulls of the world's best coffee, irreproducible
mircea_popescu: on the other, the republic, attempting something rather in the vein of "the life among the meaningless is not worth living, so whether meaning-izing works or doesn't, it'll be done."
mircea_popescu: rather the problem is that you can't have "progress" and responsible credit. gotta pick one.
asciilifeform: there won't be demonstrative impalement of folx who lend to the uncreditworthy, because at this point the latter includes ~whole of anglostani empire