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diana_coman: I didn't even realise there was some way to see it
as protection against ...what? code copying or what?
Mocky: i've also been on both sides of make / break protections (although break for fun not pay). if hash is used
as protection, i see that
as valid objection
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:41 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the conundrum from my pov is that why to bother with protections if 'so what if they break, not
as if it does anything'
diana_coman: it can compile it
as much
as it wants, server won't answer for one thing
☟︎ diana_coman: perhaps a more fleshed out exercise: say there are clients A and B that have binaries released and accepted by Eulora's server (
as per known hashes) ; sources of those are released to l1
diana_coman: it's still open to discussion
as far
as I can see it so any comments are most welcome
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 03:24 Mocky: if shortwave repeater was in l1 confidence and one day i became l1, i wouldn't see having to keep that secret
as a burden.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu: the evident disadvantage is that this only works if we can rely on l1 to keep a secret ; which means things (such
as, that it can't be
as big, for instance).
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu:
as we're contemplating an eulora client rewrite, i am contemplating the following code release paradigm : client author a) releases code encrypted to l1, signed and deeded (so basically, gpg -aer asciilifeform -r ave1 -r etc) ; b) releases precompiled binaries for allcomers.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu:
as we're contemplating an eulora client rewrite, i am contemplating the following code release paradigm : client author a) releases code encrypted to l1, signed and deeded (so basically, gpg -aer asciilifeform -r ave1 -r etc) ; b) releases precompiled binaries for allcomers.
ave1:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834921, ack. I think it's a brilliant idea. Especially, points (2) and (3) and I'm not worried about the "keeping a secret" parts. First, I've worked for companies with an extensive secret code base (and this code is and has been secret for a long time > 30 years) . Second, all leaked sources are "illegal" anyway (
as in this source was not sanctioned, so it's worthless).
☝︎ Mocky: if shortwave repeater was in l1 confidence and one day i became l1, i wouldn't see having to keep that secret
as a burden.
☟︎ Mocky: i don't see it
as a problem for the client writer. to the contrary i would expect clients to get regular updates and older versions less useful relatively over time. but maybe asciilifeform doesn't care about eulora at all, why involve when only possible involvement 'suspected of leak'?
mod6: Identity
as such will be condemed, indeed.
Mocky: if in the case of a confirmed leak, pointed questions could be asked even of those who never so much
as looked at it. and i'm not saying answering questions is a big burden, but alternately not being suspected in the first place could be considered a benefit
Mocky: this makes sense to me. the only thing i have against it is asciilifeform and mod6 argument about the burden of keeping secrets. while I don't see the proposed method
as actually burdensome, i see the argument in the general case
Mocky: asciilifeform, i dont' even see it
as an issue of paying for software: the paying or not doesn't need to differ from the case where minigame writes the official client
mircea_popescu: well, there's obviously a published server protocol,
as well
as the old client... these don't constitute ?
mircea_popescu: that's the whole fucking point. not just of writing games, but of storytelling altogether,
as a whole discipline reaching all the way to the core of substance. people's enjoyment of reading say
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835256 might be ~enhanced~ by a secure mastery of the writer's craft
☝︎ mircea_popescu: and think in terms of confusable ~by whom~.
as far
as 50% or so of fetlife female moron population is concerned, they have "a master" or whatever in that vein.
mod6: I see this
as even beyond the Eulora scenario, stretching out to any TMSR~ source; I just don't see a good way to solve it right now, other than being selective with who gets rights to see the $src.
mod6: and
as far
as the eulora client, maybe S.MG wants the source to remain closed, this is for them to decide.
mod6: Well, my fear is that: Lord X encypts $src_code, to {a,b,c,d} ;
as was said before, it would be impossible to tell if $src_code was leaked by X, or a,b,c or d. (This was stated earlier too).
mod6: what may happen in the future; trust between two or more people might not be the same
as it is today.
mod6: When given the prospect of asking someone in L1 to hold long-term, or indefinite secrets
as opposed to short-term secrets, it gets much harder to evaluate the trust or risk. One can not predict
diana_coman: it's true it was worded with that hook in it and I bit on it first for sure but I'm reading it more and more
as "we make it public; but what public is there outside l1??"
mircea_popescu: man should be given
as much length of rope to hang self with
as wants.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, tbh I'm seeing it less and less
as a "keep secrets" thing
mircea_popescu: let me tell you something about the crabs, i found fascinating last i was getting a beach blowjob. so, they all move in ~same direction,
as far
as eye can see, thousands of them. and
as you say, right, "all that is mine i carry with". now, if they happen to run into some food, they'll stop a little, have a little, MOVE ON. they make 0 attempt to ~carry the food~. or even search for it.
mircea_popescu: this is no sort of life, incidentally. it's what the old "engineering" used to be, "construct complicated looms that are friable and hard to maintain so
as to have an eat."
mircea_popescu: nevermind "shed some light". the point fucking remains,
as long
as secrets are kept secrets are kept, what the fuck.
trinque: and then asked ave1 for binary-reproducible gcc
as the logical next step
mircea_popescu: situation 2,
as contemplated : you release a binary, which mp like an idiot runs, and that's that. the machine no longer has cause to think alf's an idiot.
mircea_popescu: dude. situation 1,
as currently : you release code, mp like an idiot compiles it on ubuntu, jnow your code exists
as a drepper mockery of itself.
as far
as the machine can tell, you asciilifeform are an idiot.
diana_coman: asciilifeform,
as I understand it, this is first and foremost a political statement; the gains are not from "oooh, you don't know my ugly code"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) there's no practical possibilty for collective answerable ; b)
as discussed in previous thread (when you were trying to make up contest rules), it's not possible to prove the owner himself didn't leak.
mircea_popescu: the evident disadvantage is that this only works if we can rely on l1 to keep a secret ; which means things (such
as, that it can't be
as big, for instance).
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
as we're contemplating an eulora client rewrite, i am contemplating the following code release paradigm : client author a) releases code encrypted to l1, signed and deeded (so basically, gpg -aer asciilifeform -r ave1 -r etc) ; b) releases precompiled binaries for allcomers.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: oh, and similar issue
as above for...curl; wtf
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:42 mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's
as dead
as the woodchipped people.
BingoBoingo: Cooking steaks for the Peruana to celebrate the end of nationality
as a thing
mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position
as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo!
BingoBoingo: <trinque> some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act
as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example. <<
As far
as I can tell Alpine is a musl build of gentoo, comparatively clean. Void on the other hand is more like a tampon. Bloody inside and out
mircea_popescu: afaik they were, even
as far
as the 10.x series ; but this i've never put to the cuntoo test.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 11:18 asciilifeform: trinque's gcc, btw, is exactly
as was printed on the crate, x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl 4.9.4
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just
as long
as i can still use cuntoo to show cunts their cunts too!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:42 mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's
as dead
as the woodchipped people.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 14:56 asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me
as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node.
trinque: some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act
as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example.
mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's
as dead
as the woodchipped people.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw : mysql existing
as gnat/cuntoo item (combined with its deployment in mp-wp, eulora etc) pretty much guarantees by now that tmsr db will be mysql derivative.
shinohai: Thankfully, pogo turned out to be great NAT device, I run a mech hdd in the dumb-
as-bricks vertical hdd slot, and a samsung t3 portable ssd from the top usb connector.
shinohai: Pretty much same
as I always reported, usually stayed several "days" behind, this did not improve until I purchased samsung ssd about a year ago.
mircea_popescu: notice
as in, you know, actually notice, "omfg i can't believe what a shithead i am, missed out on the financial bitcoin train and then on the political too, i truly am too stuipid to fucking live" and subsequently blow their brains out,
as any sort of rational process absolutely dictates...
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated elaineo 2 at 2017/09/26 04:47:52 << somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory
as to how this is possible.
brazilish: different
AS from aws, still under US control
diana_coman: I still have to go through the rest and I'll probably report
as I go
diana_coman: brazilish, nothing wrong with experimenting
as long
as it's done with a clear plan and then reported on
diana_coman: and
as a customer of Pizarro I'd be very happy to know that BingoBoingo takes on the management role and gets it moving;also, re directions to my mind this forum here is a great place to come and ask about scary/unknown stuff *early*
mod6: And to the point of BingoBoingo, he has said before that he wants direction from a manager.
As he said earlier tonight.