thestringpuller: i only keep 10 lines of IRC in memory at a time like a true G
decimation: "In one of the jets, a young pilot was flying his first training mission since becoming qualified to use a special helmet that projects key flight data - such as air speed, altitude, target range - onto his visor. The pilot, investigators learned later, hadn't gone through a recommended computer-based course before being cleared to fly with the visor-mounted display."
decimation: no, apparently it's is quite disorienting if not familiar
decimation: "Within 15 seconds, the jet had accelerated to more than 575 mph and was descending at a 70 degree angle. The pilot, while monitoring his visor-mounted display and doing his best to keep an eye on the other jet, had apparently lost track of his rate of descent."
mircea_popescu: one is The requested URL /register.ph but the other is The requested URL /register.php
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00044035 = 12.0656 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, read the dude's 10 page long "comment policy", then read the comments on that article.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1890 @ 0.0007542 = 1.4254 BTC [-] {2}
undata: mircea_popescu: I've got it adding keys and accepting valid signed messages, building out the bundle-and-stamp process
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00044723 = 5.9482 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? << i think it's rudimentary spam control.
mircea_popescu: undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go << i bet you had no idea just how popular golang is, eh asciilifeform
Adlai: in go's defense... they have sane concurrency primitives, as opposed to pretty much everything else
mircea_popescu: "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story.
PeterL: xanthyos:i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice << scoopbot started as a bot to roll dice for me and my friend RPGing over IRC
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story << Prolly related to post 0.8.x versions not keeping a full txindex by default. Have to set a flag for them to do it.
mircea_popescu: actually... should i put in a job for a games bot ? could start it with monopoly. it just keeps dropping pngs of the table after each player's roll
PeterL: would it live on #bitcoin-assets-games?
PeterL: could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started?
mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess with peterl. to which it responds "peterl are you playing with mircea_popescu ?" and then it looks for the moves, updates an inner state and keeps spitting out pngs of the board as links.
PeterL: actually, that sounds like a fun project
PeterL: There are placed like yahoo games, I don't know of any text-based games
mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing, charge 0.0001 per player ro something.
xanthyos: oh monopoly doesn't just require dice rolls but chance and community chest card ordering
xanthyos: .0001 per player per entry, and with new players dropping in after the game already started it could have a cumulative prize pool
PeterL: maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold?
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess << already pretty much done with this in GPG. Needs to be vetted thoroughly tho before any widespread release
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00044837 = 22.2167 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing << only if lots of games are available over time. vis-a-vis crypto-arcade/midway but meh dunno. Long road is long :P
PeterL: I was thinking more of something for us to have fun rather than trying to make money
Adlai: then the fire nation attacked?
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Adlai: huh, what happened to two weeks notice: "This account was deleted and is no longer recoverable."
PeterL: on wiki, !verify should have short !v included
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kakobrekla: if anyone wants to fix that be my guest.
PeterL: "since no sessions, bot can be used without the need for you being present on any channel" < it should say you need to be in chan to get voiced
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88776 @ 0.00044352 = 39.3739 BTC [+] {4}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story. << pointless degradation of network protocol to reduce utility of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: <PeterL> [] could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started? << bitcoin monopoly?!
mircea_popescu: and seeing how the guilty parties are not here present to defend themselves, i see little trouble going with your theory.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: industry gossip rag, whaddaya want
mircea_popescu: in his quest for easy lolz, the idiot robs himself of the good lolz.
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold? << maybe simply allow people to sell out their token
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00045069 = 15.9094 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2} << someone's scooping cheap mpoe
BingoBoingo: It's the most unGawker thing I've ever seen on Gawker
WolfGoethe: what is happening in Ukraine Donesk now holds the fate of the world in the balance....
BingoBoingo: Highligh:>> UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for di
BingoBoingo: versity then. I regret the error, and have updated the post to reflect that.
mircea_popescu: is this like that one time when the idiot murican journos threw a fit that the french president didn't care about whatever stupid shit they had picked to make their world out of, and then were never heard from again ?
mircea_popescu: "we've just forked it because we're stupid. same thing!"
BingoBoingo: Kinda, but with layers of stupid coming into conflict. A stupid schism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, they don't need a king you see. they're sans coulottes, they talk a lot, and that's all that's needed.
mircea_popescu: the only pity here is that linus is about as political minded as your average frog, and so instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux, strangling poettering by his own guts and so on,
mircea_popescu: very important to promote a lot more people who are actually willing to kill these idiots, not just ignore them.
mircea_popescu: but, simply refusing to merge anything in any way related to anyone who ever worked for red hat.
mircea_popescu: not exactly the point. poltics is not about what you do.
decimation: redhat does quite a bit of backporting
mircea_popescu: there must attach penalties to belonging in the progressive camp.
decimation: they also have some kernel devs on the payroll
mircea_popescu: the simple knowledge that you will NEVER be a linux developer, ever, is a good start.
mircea_popescu: up until he couldn't anymore, at which point all sorts of other idiots had a whole troughful of problems.
decimation: redhat does not make hardware, but they provide guarantees for certain baselines
mircea_popescu: point remains : once there's a penalty to being a progressive, things can be turned into some sort of shape.
mircea_popescu: consider that the protestants choked the catholics, with a very lively french government that sinecured them to heaven.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly their problem, that they want for nothing.
mircea_popescu: let the sinecure become a central point of the progressive - sane person debate.
decimation: the trouble is that nearly everyone in the us is one some dole or another
mircea_popescu: there's dire need for more politically minded people to make it a point.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> stalin could also have problems. << Well Tito is a serious amount of problem to have.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meant more in his odessa bank robbery days.
decimation: well, if 'making it not last' is the political strategy, then I suggest "stand back and watch them fail"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but... never escaped his problem having potential
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decimation: after 1789, it was hoped that the new constitution would be well supported by 'moderates'
decimation: but it turned out that nobody who mattered was actually a moderate (in France)
mircea_popescu: but that they mattered is preserved at least in the fact that their woman killed the journo.
mircea_popescu: had they had the sense to being moderate while out of france, and had they the internet & other means to do this... diff story.
decimation: it seems that some kind of similar thing is happening in us politics
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decimation: that's because the right and left have politically stalemated
decimation: there's no policy that can change because there's no moderate party to support it
mircea_popescu: well... no. it's because everyone lives off crown benefits, and so no substantial differences to be had.
decimation: but that's usg policy since at least before wwii
mircea_popescu: not a balanced budget mind you. just, you know, one at all.
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decimation: there's a complex dance between what congress 'authorizes' and 'appropriates'
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where inflation's being dressed up as necessary. well... it is. should interest rates move to a very liberal 5% the us is unable to finance even its interest alone.
decimation: with the sudden oil price collapse, all Smart People are now seriously worried about deflation
decimation: "Anyway let’s try to go back to first principles a little here. Read through the glowing, er, defense of inflation and it boils down to the same basic story: ‘oh noes wages are sticky’."
decimation: "why don't you guys love trannys you guys?"
decimation: lol from article: "but really when it comes to actually creating resources that support and protect transgender and other marginalized students, they have really dragged their feet and have taken a really long time…and in the meantime students’ lives are at risk.”
decimation: so, some guy telling a confused chick to leave the locker room is the same as murdering?
danielpbarron: someone pasted that link in an irc channel for "reddit christians" from which i was eventually kicked for disputing their claim that The Bible is pro-lgbt
danielpbarron: not breaking from reddit form, they didn't really have much of a basis
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, as a male that usually uses the women's restroom, im pro tolerance.
mircea_popescu: " When inflation dips too low, it transfers wealth from those who owe money — companies and mortgage payers — to those who hold bonds."
mircea_popescu: so wait. the thing that steals sometimes a lot and sometimes a little is the nerw normal. and so when it only steals a little it... TRANSFERS money from the thief to the victim ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i used the girl's locker room in highschool, and i hung out with the chicks in their yoga class too.
mircea_popescu: besides, i don't like urinals and women's usually cleaner.
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mircea_popescu: plus, if you're going to fuck a girl, it's usually better to do her in women's.
decimation: most urinals are designed to maximize spashback
mircea_popescu: now, i wouldn't be in favour of this as a general thing,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17843 @ 0.00044684 = 7.973 BTC [+]
decimation: re: inflation < of course the thief is going explain the benefits of thieving
mats: an exercise in kekonomics
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point , and that point is : the expectations of us citizens, and their self valuations, are wildly divergent from reality.
mircea_popescu: they will have to be brought back on their knees somehow
mircea_popescu: and no government yet has had the audacity to go to a group of self impressed idiots and tell them the sort of thing i say
mircea_popescu: "shut the fuck up, get on your knees and suck more cock"
mircea_popescu: it's roughly the "put pitbull in doorframe and slam door on him" educational tactic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. for instance : they expect to not have to find someone to be the sex slave of.
mircea_popescu: further : they expect to warm their abode artificially.
mircea_popescu: further still : they expect to not have to do hard physical labour.
mircea_popescu: do the math, of what's the cost per calorie to fatten a woman
mircea_popescu: then see what you could get, per calorie, as biodiesel.
decimation: I thought the point of the biodiesiel was to encourage the others
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good objection. which is why i'm not fixated on ecology.
decimation: fractionary << yes, ferment one, educate 1000 (at the fuel pump!)
mircea_popescu: decimation but then you'ver just shown why they'd rightfully not expect to be biodisel'd. 1 in 1000 shot.
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mircea_popescu: yes but simply making solar panels the same size or price would yield more.
mircea_popescu: nature does these contortions, because nature's a whore.
decimation: asciilifeform:
http://www.withouthotair.com/cD/page_284.shtml "The power per unit area of bioethanol from corn is astonishingly low. Just for fun, let’s report the numbers first in archaic units. 1 acre produces 122 bushels of corn per year, which makes 122 × 2.6 US gallons of ethanol, which at 84 000 BTU per gallon means a power per unit area of just 0.02 W/m2E – and we haven’t taken into account any of the energy losses in
mats: i bet the smell is awful
decimation: the same guy who popularized ldpc codes wrote that book, which details the mathematical idiocy of 'renewables'
decimation: it accomplished nothing politically, but it's a good sourcebook for rough calculations of this sort
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can include a 3rd file with signed sha hashes ?
kakobrekla: having key automatically sign the thing is meh
kakobrekla: yeah so youll be able to point finger at innocent kako
mircea_popescu: it can be a special, delegated key for this purpose alone.
mircea_popescu: They tell it all: how I am wiping a nation of friendless creatures out of existence by every form of murder, for my private pocket's sake. But they never say, although they know it, that I have labored in the cause of religion at the same time and all the time, and have sent missionaries there (of a "convenient stripe," as they phrase it), to teach them the error of their ways and bring them to Him who is all mercy and
mircea_popescu: love, and who is the sleepless guardian and friend of all who suffer. They tell only what is against me, they will not tell what is in my favor.
mircea_popescu: They tell how England required of me a Commission of Inquiry into Congo atrocities, and how, to quiet that meddling country, with its disagreeable Congo Reform Association, made up of earls and bishops and John Morleys and university grandees and other dudes, more interested in other people's business than their own, I appointed it. Did it stop their mouths? No, they merely pointed out that it was a commission composed
mircea_popescu: wholly of my "Congo butchers," "the very men whose acts were to be inquired into."
mircea_popescu: turns out the first gaddafi was actually the king of belgium
mircea_popescu: and it further turns out that the method has been in use for well over 150 years.
mircea_popescu: of course, before they sunk the south, they sunk the so called "tavern lobby"
mircea_popescu: the prohibition was not merely idiocy. it was a particular sort of vindictive idiocy, where the pencildicks got upset that politics was set by men, around beer
mircea_popescu: and so kept telling the women about how politics should "properly" be set by old men around pulpits.
mircea_popescu: perhaps aided by the very homosexual attitudes of teh men at the time.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' observation is valid. i propose the solution is for the beast to threaten indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: extract compensation under threat, make sure compensation > kicking. let the cycle wear itself out.
mircea_popescu: it's actually how bismarck beat england into a pulp, and created the first germany.
mircea_popescu: "they will resurrect and give new currency to such things as those, or to any other things that count against me, but they will not mention any act of mine that is in my favor. I have spent more money on art than any other monarch of my time, and they know it. Do they speak of it, do they tell about it? No, they do not. They prefer to work up what they call "ghastly statistics" into offensive kindergarten object lesson
mircea_popescu: s, whose purpose is to make sentimental people shudder, and prejudice them against me. They remark that "if the innocent blood shed in the Congo State by King Leopold were put in buckets and the buckets placed side by side, the line would stretch 2,000 miles; if the skeletons of his ten millions of starved and butchered dead could rise up and march in single file, it would take them seven months and four days to pass a
mircea_popescu: given point; if compacted together in a body, they would occupy more ground than St. Louis covers, World's Fair and all; if they should all clap their bony hands at once, the grisly crash would be heard a distance of --" Damnation, it makes me tired!"
mircea_popescu: infographs ? ted talks ? yep, about as un-novel as dirt.
decimation: it's a good thing the Congo is independent and thriving, now that it lacks the terrible yoke of Leopold
mircea_popescu: had the meddlesome leopold been still involved, how was england to push south africa to abandon rhodesia, with empty promises that once the man shots his own dog, the man won't be hanged himself.
mats: destroy it with fire
mats: it looks like a turd
BingoBoingo: I mean their eyes even have turd shaped pupils
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ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els << i hold that "their" when used for a single entity is a crucifying offense
mats: taking a page out of comrade Joseph's playbook
mircea_popescu: "Even amid the morbid decay, it comes as a shock to hear Le Blanc mourn colonialism. The venal, racist scramble by Europeans to possess Africa"
mircea_popescu: "They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free." << there's a lot to this.
mircea_popescu: once there's enough men in #b-a, we probably COULD take over a country.
mircea_popescu: "TAMPA, Fla. - Earlier today, U.S. Central Command's Twitter and YouTube sites were compromised for approximately 30 minutes. These sites reside on commercial, non-Defense Department servers and both sites have been temporarily taken offline while we look into the incident further."
mircea_popescu: one paragraph in, it becomes apparent that while the us central command has no idea of wtf is going on, nevertheless us central command is willing to lie.
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Vexual: mp, you were asking about what constitues 'the sticks' in oz. To my knowlegde it's anywhere with pathcy phone reception
Vexual: whereas 'back of beyond' means you wont see another soul for a week, and 'dingo bumfuck' means theres people, but they give off a wolf creek kinda vibe
Vexual: they're really all measures off the feel of a city
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.12506349 = 7.879 BTC [-] {5}
Vexual: ic the freckles have already been fucked off those two
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felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you. Is that possible to buy these shares on OTC or only in MPEx?
mircea_popescu: to buy anything otc you need to find a party that'll sell.
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Vexual: blogs? ain't no body got time for that
Vexual: i'm saving up for an mpex acct
punkman: i had kangaroo the other day, better than I expected
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately," I said, "at present the Hague Tribunal is not armed with the powers of an international assize court, nor is it qualified to place offenders, crowned or otherwise, in the dock. But don't you think that in the evolution of society the constitution of such a criminal court is a necessity?"
mircea_popescu: "It would be a great convenience at present," said Mr. Harris; "nor would you need one atom of evidence beyond the report of the Commission to justify the hanging of whoever is responsible for the existence and continuance of such abominations."
punkman: Vexual: couple small steaks, tasted kinda like beef
assbot: What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years
mircea_popescu: why should they recover ? "so we can give some other scammer money later on" ?
Vexual: thats interesting punkman
Vexual: i'd like to try souvlaki roo
Vexual: he might be a fan, they're everywhere
mircea_popescu: "satire" is not here for these cancerous fags to hide behind.
mats: some of these aren't bad
mats: " you belong on the internet of things because you're a tool"
mircea_popescu: " These online scammers extensively preyed on my trusting nature. I was mailed a "secure, verified" check for $2750 that I deposited into my account and was promptly tricked into sending almost all of this money to "the toy shop owner" so that he could ship the toys. "
mircea_popescu: "Before all of this mess we were already financially struggling. To say that we were living paycheck-to-paycheck is an understatment. My boyfriend is currently underemployed and in school. I gave up 90% of the hours at my job in order to take this fake nanny job. I tried to explain all of this to the credit union but they were very callous with us saying that our priority needed to be on finding better paying jobs so
Vexual: why bitcoin is better than a bank cheque
mircea_popescu: that's what i'd like. for all retail establishments to get a pillory per 1mn yearly custom. then do some customer support in the form of, if you piss anyone off while on the premises, 10 minutes' flogging.
mircea_popescu: and if you forget to thank the nice whipperperson for your lesson, 10 more.
mats: my grandmother got a phone call from 'a police sergeant' saying i was in county prison and needed to be bailed out before being inevitably deflowered
mircea_popescu: ". I asked if there were any resources to help us and they declined to mention even one. This was despite my protests that we currently do not even have enough money for rent and food.
mircea_popescu: "humanity" owes them. because 'humanity' is daddy and daddy always paid whatever bottles they broke.
mats: she sent $2k via WU without even calling me.
punkman: although the spanish prisoner scam bets on greed. bail prisoner out so you can get that nigerian gold.
Vexual: mats, did you call the cops yet?
mircea_popescu: well at the time people tended to know if their grandkids were at the house or not
mats: money's gone n its not coming back
Vexual: wu usually has details
punkman: yeah but any bum can run a WU "office"
Vexual: gran would have a name etc
Vexual: feining a kidnap is kinda harsh tho
mats: "Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath."
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assbot: Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... (
http://bit.ly/1yxHoLI )
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mircea_popescu: "If it can be proven that Bill Clinton had sex with underage girls provided by Jeffrey Epstein, that could potentially destroy any chance that Hillary Clinton has of winning the presidency in 2016."
Vexual: shes definately over 17
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00046021 = 37.6682 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: in other news, mcafee is on the lamb again up ben10s way
Vexual: maybe he can take him in and learn sme c
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itkin: davout: thx gros !
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assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 18000 @ 0.000205 = 3.69 BTC [+]
jurov: felipelalli: no coinbr.net is completely different company
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38480 @ 0.00048402 = 18.6251 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: One BR is broker, other BR is Brazil. Nothing in common.
danielpbarron: Two blondes walk into a bar; one says to the other, "I slept with two Brazilian men last night." The other replies, "Wow! I've never even met that many people!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00048402 = 19.869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00048104 = 6.8067 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell PeterL scoopbot seems constipated again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16577 @ 0.00048104 = 7.9742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6744 @ 0.00048104 = 3.2441 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: ;;later tell Rozal New rating | Rozal > -10 > cazalla | SCAMMER - Stole 1 BTC from me, and is a known scammer on other nicks
http://pastebin.com/ApyavW5T. DO NOT TRADE / DEAL. << pastebin is your signed OTP..
BingoBoingo: So this rating of cazalla seems to be the lamest extortion attempt ever.
chetty: lamest is getting like first/best/greatest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00048454 = 6.7477 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Nick 'Rozal', with hostmask 'Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo', is identified as user 'Rozal', with GPG key id 1C6C480917AD74D9, key fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42323 @ 0.00048595 = 20.5669 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00048827 = 18.8716 BTC [+] {2}
Rozal: ;;unrate danielpbarron
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.
Rozal: sorry danielpbarron
thestringpuller: 'danielpbarron is in channel. regenerate hp twice as fast.'
danielpbarron: I forgive you Rozal, but if that was an attempt to get me to remove my rating, it was misguided
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Rozal has been recorded.
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
Rozal: ;;rate -10 BingoBoingo Scammer who works with Cazalla
gribble: Error: 'BingoBoingo' is not a valid integer.
danielpbarron: lol what alternate universe is this that assbot is enforcing a "postive rating only" policy
assbot: -10 is not registered in WoT.
Rozal: ;;rate danielpbarron -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
Rozal: ;;rate BingoBoingo -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
Rozal: now we all love the trust system
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: This is serious business. If you make and sign allegations you need to support them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67074 @ 0.00048878 = 32.7844 BTC [+] {2}
Rozal: ;;unrate danielpbarron
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.
Rozal: ;;unrate BingoBoingo
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for BingoBoingo.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cazalla.
BingoBoingo: Rozal: My rating of you isn't disappearing. You made serious allegations over what seems to be a mutual dislike of each other.
Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ Rozal: BingoBoingo: it's okay, it's my fault
Rozal: I should just grow up
BingoBoingo: Rozal: I am fine with you rating me -10 because you dislike me, but your serious falsification... my rating of you will endure.
davout: Rozal: time to get a new wot identity I guess :-)
Rozal: I won't return anyones negatives
teward raises an eyebrow and looks at Rozal
Rozal: teward: I was mad that 'cazalla' ruined my ratings because he didn't like my jokes
Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted
teward: Rozal: looking at the ratings log made me think "What the...?"
teward: hence my raising the eyebrow :)
teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits
BingoBoingo: Campus coffee prices are some of the worst. Desperate population and limited vendors.
mats: use a staff break room.
mats: i musta consumed tens of thousands of dollars in beans and k-cups doing that.
BingoBoingo: ^ That was one perk of grad school. Access to break rooms.
rithm: can someone explain this rozal dram to me in a tl:dr fashion it interests me
rithm: trying to read buffer but the topic interests me
mats: i guess someone squatted cazalla's nick?
rithm: ;;ratingsystem getrating rozal
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo . User Rozal, rated since Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013. Cumulative rating 45, from 44 total ratings. Received ratings: 41 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal BingoBoingo: rithm: He got into a neg rating war with cazalla and fabricated theft allegations.
assbot: -2 is not registered in WoT.
mats: cazalla doesnt play well with others
rithm: fwiw i've had issues with starbucks gift cards with this user i suspected fraud
rithm: that's why i notice
rithm: heavily discounted
rithm: you know what they say about things being too good to be true right
mats: rithm likes his iced skinny mocha lattes
mircea_popescu: it kinda blew my mind. probably for no good reason, objectively.
rithm: no not i the female counterpart
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
rithm: love the starbucks
mircea_popescu: just... coffee is this triviality, of no financial consequence. however, inviting oine for coffee is either sexual or whatever.
mircea_popescu: so giving someone a coffee gift card is like... "go fuck yourself" ? ie, let's have a cup of coffee but without me there ?
rithm: coffe to me is trivial
rithm: coffee to others is some type of retarded status symbol
mircea_popescu: but obv none of this has much if at all to do with you or teh starbux
xanthyos: starbucks is popular enough to have become a perfect money laundering system with their gift codes
rithm: i live under a rock on the internet
BingoBoingo: Basically coffee gift cards are a sort of tide USD
rithm: idk where i can buy tide 50% off
xanthyos: starbucks cards are irreversible paypal
mod6: 4.43L Tide = 17.09 USD
mod6: lol, 17.09 with coupon, $17.99 retail price @ target
mircea_popescu: ;;google how many cups of starbucks coffee in one gallon of tide
mircea_popescu: Dum licet, in rebus jucundis vive beatus. Vive memor quam sis aevi brevis.
mircea_popescu: prolly Conington's got the best version. "Then take, good sir, your pleasure while you may. With life so short 'twere wrong to lose a day."
davout: much better than google translate
thestringpuller: "While it may, in the case of the delights of live happy. Live mindful of how brief your time."
davout: "all your delights are belong to the mindful brief time"
mircea_popescu: but works, yes. "have fun for what it's worth, mister. your time is short."
mircea_popescu: i wonder why all these derps ranting on and on about "empathy" never manage to produce one. imagine a victim like that.
mircea_popescu: empathy is the fundament of all literature, for the reason that it's the fundament of all humanity. but empty palaver doth not an empathy make.
thestringpuller: social justice warriors are not very empathetic to begin with.
thestringpuller: the kind of "more righteous than thou" crowd, but dressed up as hippies.
thestringpuller: as you said on trilema, "It's going the way of the sitcom"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26825 @ 0.00049148 = 13.184 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida."
mircea_popescu: true men aren't swayed by redditarded frenzy, nor by soviet pretense to power.
mircea_popescu: In late 2013 Jorge took an active interest in the economics of cryptocurrencies. He became extremely skeptical about its underlying soundness and chances of success, and has been advising the Brazilian public against investment in bitcoin.
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 9D961AC9 / "Daniel P. Barron (danielpbarron)" successfully imported.
kakobrekla: >especially since storing user data as plaintext indicates that the group likely made further and still graver lapses in technological and operational security.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57449 @ 0.00048811 = 28.0414 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Everything indicates it was a suicide," Secretary of National Security Sergio Berni told local television. "We have to see if gunpowder is found on his hands."
mircea_popescu: so... "nothing indicates it was a suicide, but we'll lie about it."
mircea_popescu: i mean... the circumstances are such that he'd have been killed, and dunno yet if powder residue. literlaly nothing indicates a suicide.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Rozal.-10:43ae443061902db3b67328f3d62f0487148cc47aaa53abcf854c7696be4ca674
mircea_popescu: "He was alone in the apartment," prosecutor Viviana Fein told reporters. "There are no witnesses." << probably the best reason to keep a harem ever.
mircea_popescu: Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: unconstitutional accusiations. capitanich sounds more like ximenez each day.
mircea_popescu: Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings << wut the fuck going on there ?!
mircea_popescu: Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted << is this klye ?
davout: kakobrekla: so are assbot and -otc's wots completely forked or is there some sort of sync?
mircea_popescu: davout tryin' to work out a sync paradigm with nanotube
davout: mircea_popescu: also i read a bit more about merged mining yesteday and today, especially how merge-mining namecoin came to be
mircea_popescu: in any case imported ratings in either wot would be marked as such
davout: so re the merge-mining it looks like namecoin had to be hard-forked to support it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00047861 = 30.6789 BTC [-] {3}
davout: so i don't really see how it'd be possible to merge mine two bitcoin forks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Best I can tell it's a nobody. But they had a bunch of perfect ratings from tiny trades.
bertani: davout: I don't get your point, why shouldn't it?
davout: mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. "
BingoBoingo: <davout> mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " << Basically this is my understanding. Both Bitcoin's would insist on being the "Parent" unl
BingoBoingo: ess gavincoin is also hardforking to allow AuxPOW
davout: bertani: because if you need one of the chains to be somehow aware of the merge mining you'd need a second hardfork after the first block size related hardfork
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at the point prior to forking, the only difference between the two is version.
davout: well, maybe if we sell it to reddit as an opportunity to increase adoption ...
mircea_popescu: putting out blocks with both versions isn't actually putting out different blocks is it ?
BingoBoingo: Well, it is once the chains require different blocks because they've forked...
davout: the version is part of the header, so the solution for one header doesn't work for the other
mircea_popescu: i guess this "merge mining' business needs moar looking into.
kakobrekla: bitcoin merged mined with bitcoin is bad idea.
davout: i don't think the way you propose to use merge mining actually works
davout: or i mean, is actually feasible
mircea_popescu: hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is.
mircea_popescu: i had thought different chains had to be forked to mm because of their different origin. but that's not what happens in merged mining at all.
mircea_popescu: what happens is that a hash of a block of the lower chain is inserted in bitcoin blocks, and then the lower chain accepts this as "just as good" proof.
mircea_popescu: better ways to ruin scamcoins than merge-mine them doth not exist huh.
BingoBoingo: Basically Bitch chain depends on the Master chain.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that spec'll hafta be revised, but needs more thinking.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yup. my cluelessness about alts is showing huh.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that's what the channel's for.
mircea_popescu: check out dooglus (who isn't a gavin-approved economist, in spite of being exactly as certified&educated in the topic as the random idiots a la Oleg Andreev et all) explaining economics :
mircea_popescu: At any given time there is a certain amount of demand for a Bitcoin like currency to make transactions. That need doesn’t increase with more competition. That means that the transactional demand for Bitcoin is really the same as the transactional demand for all substantially similar forms of payment. As more currencies are competing to fill the same demand they actually reduce the demand for the other currencies as t
mircea_popescu: This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d
mircea_popescu: Except now competing currencies can market themselves as “as secure as Bitcoin but with lower transaction fees.” In other words there is a race to the bottom among competing currencies to offer the lowest transaction fees, because lowering the transaction fee doesn’t hurt the security of the network in comparison to the other merged mining networks. Users, following their own self interest, will adopt the currenc
davout: so, if i understand correctly, the way this thing works is that it attracts moar miners through the bonus mechanism, which in turn contributes to killing-off gavincoin amirite
mircea_popescu: y with the lowest transaction fees as long as it has the same security of the competitors.
mircea_popescu: This will increase the price of the currency with the lowest transaction fee (because demand for the currency is higher), and decrease the price of the currencies with higher transactions fees (because demand for those currencies is dropping as it is being filled by demand for the competing currency). Because the currencies with the higher transaction fees were the ones generating the incentive to mine, overall incenti
mircea_popescu: ve to mine will diminish. As long as a currency’s mining is merged with the freeloading currency, it will be powerless to increase incentives by imposing mandatory transaction fees.
mircea_popescu: The result will be a decrease in mining incentive, a decrease in mining, and ultimately all networks that allow merged mining will become insecure.
mats: a .22 can be quite deadly
mats: just ... don't shoot the guy in the forehead. put it in an eye.
mats: the round'll tumble once it gets in there.
mircea_popescu: mats and water can be quite healthy. doesn't make it the cure for life threatening conditions does it ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, if you're going to do it, why risk you just lose an eye ? survivors even after a 12 gauge shot exist.
kakobrekla: well speaking of risk, why not a hand grenade in mouth.
mircea_popescu: also plenty of people are vain and want open casket funerals
mircea_popescu: davout it IS perhaps possible to create some sort of equivalency tables so that "Hi this is Bitcoinblock 1 with nonce 1456546456456456" and "Hi this is Gavincoin with nonce 3489759348759834" hash-collide.
mats: folklore claims that the round is uniquely deadly because it loses penetrating power after passing through bone the first time, and then just bounces around blending the brain matter until it exits the skull
TomServo: Rozal | I won't return anyones negatives << Turns out, not so much. On gribble's side of the wot anyway.
mats: whereas with a higher calibre it might just go straight through.
mircea_popescu: mats i heard that theory more about the .38 as a better suicide weapon than the .45
mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone seriously propose bb guns for the job
mircea_popescu: if you really want that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it.
davout: mircea_popescu: what would be in that table?
STRML: Appreciated. voicing here is a bit strange
mircea_popescu: i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit thing
davout: mircea_popescu: for the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have the same block hash at any point afterwards
mircea_popescu: davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i thought it would.
assbot: [RFC] The Gavin Assassinsen Memorial Mining Pool Implementation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1zrL3uu )
davout: if you remove 1. then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from the rfc as well
mircea_popescu: the principal utility of this thing is to guarantee the general public the ability to split its coins on the two chains
davout: so if i understand correctly, the main characteristic you want for this pool, is that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which txes to put in its blocks
davout: s/gavincoins/gavincoin txes/
mircea_popescu: actually you're right huh, it doesn't need to be trustless and that "send to pool" step is gunk.
mircea_popescu: it *could* just look for dblspent txs that made it on gavinchain and prioritize them
mircea_popescu: course, this is not actually needed either. miners already do that, in that they look for high tx fee txn
mircea_popescu: maybe this entire pool thing actually just needs to be a website to generate raw tx for people to put in bitcoind
davout: also, i think that if what you want to achieve is a bitcoin separator, the easiest way is simply to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on the input side of a transaction
mircea_popescu: im not happy with waiting the 200 blocks for the scamcoins to mature.
mircea_popescu: that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer to the "sell it into the dirt" party.
davout: since eligius pays directly from the coinbase you're guaranteed to receive a payout that's spendable on one chain but not on the other
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Rozal has changed from -10 to -10.
davout: yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks to separate coins you'll have to convince a pool to mine a crosschain double spend
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
davout: poor guy will end up with a -200 global rating
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Rozal.-10:e8cff8dc4301540ac33879fdae27da2f82b391e7da5b599ef4df0db73c2eab22
davout: if he's lucky it'll overflow back to some positive rating :D
BingoBoingo: If he wants to debate this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want to make it unambiguously clear that I will not engage him privately.
davout: BingoBoingo: what's the risk? some derp negrating you?
BingoBoingo: davout: Some Derp fabricating a scam and negrating me.
BingoBoingo: He's already negrated me. Nothing to lose there.
BingoBoingo: This time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy. The next time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy.
BingoBoingo thinks this could have been a perfect use of deedbot
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for this sort of situation
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I've always had this standard ready. There was jsut never a situation for it.
davout: BingoBoingo: you can already timestamp some stuff and get deedbot to accept it later as previously timestamped, that is, if the bundle structure is already defined
BingoBoingo: davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining time as UTC when we can define it in terms of Block height?
ben_vulpes: without reading any scrollback i agree with BB
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama this morning
davout: you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of that, send a bitcent there, and since that's how deedbot is supposed to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists
BingoBoingo: But part of the deedbot appeal is also hosting the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049167 = 4.72 BTC [+]
davout: BingoBoingo: sure, but if your timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along
mircea_popescu: it won't show up on its website, but supposedly you dun care
davout: what matters is the way it works, not the specific implementation that actually works the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway
mircea_popescu: people should be able to sign independently of the notary, and should be able to mock its formality, sure.
davout: the notary doesn't sign does it?
davout: the way i saw it was that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather than one compiled by an IRC bot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37205 @ 0.00047812 = 17.7885 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made to that address and hence include it retrospectively
davout: well, blockchain is the witness here, or am i missing sthg?
mircea_popescu: if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall tails" i won't particularly care
mircea_popescu: because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement too and aren't sharing that one.
mircea_popescu: the notary keeps a list of all the items it was sent a certain way.
mircea_popescu: you're free to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of the process.
davout: well, in that case it doesn't really make sense to me that the notary doesn't GPG-sign
Apocalyptic: the content has to be made public and witnessed by others at the time it's timestamped
mircea_popescu: it does make sense. because the trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have to continue this debte in a few hours.
davout: more from the fact that folks you trust are looking at deeds being timestamped
davout: also there was another thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key, that means anyone watching the process taking place can deduce the bitcoin private key that's going to be generated, and claim the coins that'll be sent there
davout: ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend that back to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second transaction at the same time
ben_vulpes: davout: talk to the specwriter, but i believe the thing acts as a btc spigot so as to incentivize auditing of its behavior.
mats: whos getting out of bed for 0.0001btc?
davout: not that i see this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut
davout: just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec
ben_vulpes: 0.001 btc is a pizza today, and a nuke sub in five decades
ben_vulpes: (or two centuries. pick your timeframe).
davout: if there's actually one deed bundle per hour that'll amount to
undata: davout: that occurred to me as well
mats: ;;calc .001*[ticker --last]
undata: I was also wondering whether one might want to salt the generated private key somehow so it's harder to guess
davout: mats: you need an extra 0
davout: undata: yep, my thought too
davout: but if it's really like 1btc/year worst case you might as well consider it as burned
Apocalyptic: undata, ? the purpose is that everyone can hash the bundle and verify the address indeed matches
undata: Apocalyptic: yeah, that ruins that without later revealing the salt
davout: Apocalyptic: the idea is to reveal the salt, but only after the bitcoin has been claimed back from the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever
ben_vulpes: mats: "pizza", "chump change" you pedantic nerd
undata: the two transations thing seems fine
davout: mats: 1000 btc used to also be hardly a pizza
davout: Apocalyptic: by deedbot
undata: davout: you could just wait to upload after the second transaction confirms
Apocalyptic: afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature that icentivies 3rd parties to verify
Apocalyptic: so you would not want deedbot to take it back
davout: ^ that sounds like something good
ben_vulpes: mats: do you not get the pizza reference?
davout: if someone pops in here one day and says "o i can't pick up deedbot's crumbs anymore" you have a problem somewhere
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mats: women don't have agency, man
mats: don't you know anything
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome to my club of ignorance
mircea_popescu: <davout> just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec << so people can have fun.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at the time and she didn't agree to switch positions!
mircea_popescu: lol@fuckyou.biz sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke to piss off nerds"
ben_vulpes can't cope with the constantly moving targets
thestringpuller: "the right for people to freely trade with each other without anybody interfering with the transaction"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00048359 = 8.0276 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: magit file notify doesn't work on os x.
ben_vulpes: when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going to write MY OWN OS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00047296 = 14.2124 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20999 @ 0.00048359 = 10.1549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00047292 = 35.8237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00047284 = 11.7264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00049188 = 46.581 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: yeah, mebbe he gets to it first. he'd certainly do a better job.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes would prolly rather prototype some chips at 1 meter process size.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49516 @ 0.0004939 = 24.456 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes creator of artisan chips at scale.
cazalla: if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with that Rozal guy
BingoBoingo: It's clear. He admitted to fabricating the allegation.
davout: fuck you gribble, when i say getrating, i mean getrating
davout: ;;getrating Rozas --no-seriously
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
TomServo: Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out?
gribble: User 'Rozal', with keyid 1C6C480917AD74D9, fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz, registered on Thu Jan 17 08:51:26 2013, last authed on Mon Jan 19 09:36:57 2015.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Rozal . Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo .
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? << why would it be ?
BingoBoingo: I've just assumed until it sorts out that rating twice is generally the best practice for most ratings
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Things seemed to be getting messy with the drama earlier. Having to rate in two places.
mircea_popescu: well obv that's optional. as the wot decentralizes, one can be part of as many / all of them.
mircea_popescu: that they talk to each other is a convenience, and i guess best practice, but not really a necessity.
mircea_popescu: actually i guess it depends on teh wisdom / celerity of teh admins currently involved if the future will hold it as best practice or just you know, that thing that might have been useful but never took off.
BingoBoingo: Sure. I for example entered the Rozal rating on both WoTs because the information is immidiately useful to both #bitcoin-assets as lulz material and #bitcoin-otc as a leper's bell around the person's neck.
kakobrekla: basically ba wot is lulz is what you are saying
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: In this case. DOn't see the dude around here, so I only know him noa for the laffs
danielpbarron: not just lulz, Rozal can still voice himself in here
BingoBoingo: Well, if he does Rozal can try to argue why his slander is good like kakobrekla's slander even though kakobrekla's slander is right and Rozal's slander is lies.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15566 @ 0.00047284 = 7.3602 BTC [-]
assbot: You rated user kakobrekla on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL.
jurov: !rate kakobrekla NaN at loss of words
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
jurov: !rate kakobrekla -0.0 at loss of words
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
jurov: !rate kakobrekla 4.00001 at loss of words
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
jurov: i'm still in yest with the log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00047039 = 31.0457 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and why assbot isn't replying with these incredibly useful fortune quips?
jurov: "Invalid verfication(sic) string" is so ... 70s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00046935 = 29.9211 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah, I need to engineer sessionless doormouse sometime.
kakobrekla: and they are great to make ushanka from
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00047081 = 8.2156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23779 @ 0.00047081 = 11.1954 BTC [+]
jurov: here it's done from roof hares
nubbins`: ^ from a "master wood carver" on the forums who "hand carves" his designs
nubbins`: note how the surface design is impossibly beautiful, indicating an inhumanly skilled craftsman, yet the shape of the BTC logo looks as if it was molded in play-doh by a 12yo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0004722 = 8.4996 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: handcarved by laser
kakobrekla: so thats how you destroy good piece of wood
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59973 @ 0.00046857 = 28.1015 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048584 = 6.9961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62076 @ 0.00048992 = 30.4123 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: well, as i read the asswot discussion, let it be noted btc-dev mailing list will eventually need timely updates of wot database, too
jurov: also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00050254 = 26.0316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00048602 = 24.8356 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00050324 = 17.9153 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 1e3819c7288865d34fc73ed636fe4880ee2275ed0d85772dc2c67839a2ed47cc
assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 63fcbe8ada533bae462972e08b0a8388a924036517f3e1912415d82eba65e814
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00050336 = 19.8576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049866 = 13.4638 BTC [-]
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 01713428 / "Paymium Support <support@paymium.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: oh noes, it took the wrong primary id
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: kakobrekla: can you force a reimport of my key?
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: assbot is getting crehzy
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: maybe we should bring assbot to the bot doctor
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
davout: kakobrekla: yeah, i fucked my key up, put paymium support as primary id, fixed it and re-pushed it to key server, it's just aesthetics
kakobrekla: well i can delete it from keyring and it will be imported again next time you run command
kakobrekla: or !change key to x and from x to back to what you have now
davout: kakobrekla: if you can delete that's cool
davout: as long as the ratings stay
davout: so you have some logic to handle colliding key ids?
kakobrekla: key id is presumed to be not uncollidable
davout: you already have the fingerprints from gribble amirite
davout: that you got from gribble
kakobrekla: assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.
davout: yea mp's link about an actual demo of key id collision attack with puppetlab's key looked pretty scary
davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
davout: assbot: you feeling better?
assbot: its hard work, i hardly get any sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00050353 = 21.8532 BTC [+] {2}
davout: kakobrekla: danke schön
davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 01713428 / "David FRANCOIS (E-mail) <david@bitcoin-central.net>" successfully imported.
davout: !v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.1/0:27df5d8b4242724bfb6271ceb46ada8c7a7c443abc96a009ed9aed2b7d5f14ad
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 1/0 with note: cool wot bro
davout: so 1/0 is a valid integer nao?
PeterL: it lets you use 1/0 as a number now?
davout: 1/0 is an alias for $MOON
davout: !rate kakobrekla 3 cool wot bro
davout: !v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.3:550c72dc47e3a32e0d797a9953ebb1f8bbc90308e8a7f02d95f406f6d0cc7f9e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 1 to 3 with note: cool wot bro
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050391 = 4.8375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00050417 = 15.5536 BTC [+] {2}