ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo?
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, mod6 (others tracking the DNS seed thread as well): i'd like to hear from you all as well
mircea_popescu: first off, the ios bs is no thread to the web. second off, the web's reach was never a major factor. third off, the web is failing, on its dismerits, but those have exactly nothing to do with javascript.
mircea_popescu: fourth, js was never a significant or worthy of mention part of the web, at no stage in its lifecycle and certainly not during "infancy".
mircea_popescu: fifth, the "web designer community" is ~= vc bezzle. it has exactly nothing to do with the web, relevancy, the future or anything else.
mircea_popescu: and i could go on but whatevs. not like we're writing the encyclopedia of stupid.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.williamdunne.1:6f842a3ee562affa0e377e4854d8c2a068b5464a0bb241fec1ff5a28c232aa96
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for williamdunne with note: new blood
williamdunne: And yeah, JS has always been about sacrificing security/performance for UX
williamdunne: Well yes, most of the time they take it overboard and it ends up being a suicidal ordeal
mircea_popescu: dux, more properly said. "interface with the stupid users". while i see a clear reason why all women should twerk, whether they like to or not, i see no reason any computer should ever twerk, whether women want them to or not.
williamdunne: "how do i use mpex - i think the css is broken1"
mircea_popescu: i should probably put a "if you don't see the css, please get the latest version of your browser"
mircea_popescu: "mpex is from the future. you need internet exploder 28 to view its css v 9 1/3"
williamdunne: However that sort of tomfoolery might lose you your "slightly smoky dragon" award
mircea_popescu: " The ability to incrementally develop programs (featured in the first video) has been a cornerstone feature of Lisp since the 80s (or earlier). " << you know this is the only way i like to program in the rare cases i actually do ?
williamdunne: Yes I can remember reading something by you about the stupidity of beautiful code
williamdunne: Or at least of having beautiful code being prioritized over functional code
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williamdunne: Oh, I was wondering the other day. What caused the removal of options from MPEX?
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williamdunne: Is the source for the WoT available? If I have some free time I'd like to take a crack at making it more readable
felipelalli: !rate mircea_popescu 2 "his articles are great and fully of truth"
felipelalli: williamdunne: "Oh, I was wondering the other day. What caused the removal of options from MPEX?" << I wonder the same.
felipelalli: williamdunne: this was for me the icing on the cake.
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:43; asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay:
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:44; asciilifeform: 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.'
williamdunne: If anyone is looking for a keybase.io invite hit me up
williamdunne: To each his own, while its certainly not a WoT it seems useful to me
mats: 22:22:28 <+asciilifeform> ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe. << link?
mats: yes, thats why i mentioned it. as a word of caution about respecting the enemy.
mats: sometimes i wonder if folks in here have spent too much time battling midgets and have forgotten what its like to fight a man.
whaack: to anyone who does not immediately apprehend the reason for my position, i invite a look into the 'mit press' catalogues for the last decade or so. << as was expressed in my conversation with mp, mit's press facade is different than its internals. Much like bitcoin
decimation: "216 out of 1,226 Soldiers (19.0%) reported using hand-to-hand combat skills in at least one encounter. The Soldiers’ descriptions indicated that hand-to-hand combat occurred in a variety of tactical situations "
mats: of course. USG spent the last decade in iraq fighting in hovels.
mats: 'combatives' are an essential part of training. especially in MOUT.
decimation: “The second lesson incorporated from the PAIs was that Soldiers in OEF and OIF reported that their hand-to-hand combat encounters revolved around a contest over the Soldier’s weapon (e.g., rifle). It appears that a Soldier’s opponent regularly attempted to wrest control of the Soldier’s weapon during hand-to-hand combat encounters.”
mats: (military operations in urban terrain)
mats: i didn't expect it, i sought them out
mats: if not to learn from them, then to identify useful assets
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decimation: "So the sort of papers that are published in psychology, over 92% of them are, 'Oh, here's a hypothesis; I did an experiment; and I get support.' So that is a problem. Because it leads to people essentially data mining to find a result to find a result and then getting it published. "
decimation: "What worries me is that some of these findings that are found with the big data and the data miners, that people look at the findings and then only after the finding, they concoct a story or a theory, develop ex post some intuition, as to why this should work. And I think that's dangerous. I prefer to work on the basis of first principles: what is reasonable."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'.
☟︎ whaack: what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen << my point is the showmen are simply the loudest
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i labored a bottom-tier version of same. if that place was as it was, MIT must be even more so.
ben_vulpes: i studied with many of the like. getting them to think outside of the box was not worth the time as there was no prerequisite dicksucking going along with it.
decimation: she apparently spends her time coming up with python code to control motors
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mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> Is the source for the WoT available? << if you mean, how to interact with assbot ? it's in wiki.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:29:20; asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard.
decimation: ben_vulpes: looks like they rolled ERC into the new emacs (24.5)
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 11:58:20; mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:31:41; asciilifeform: what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ?
mircea_popescu: the thing is, romania at the time had a very specific atmosphere, one that protected such people in such situaitons like al oxides protect the al.
mircea_popescu: which is why despising mit as a group is so important : people who despise their inept professors may survive them even when forced by events to work there.
mircea_popescu: similarly, but in the other direction, abject slaves that nevertheless unwholesomely despise their superior masters remain abject irrespective of time spent in slavery thereof.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the jewish situation... oh gawd. at the time of the holocaust, the hasidim were arguably the most advanced troop in the world. certainly > 90% of jewry by cultural and intellectual weight, if 50% or so by mass. for all the squalor of the old manhattan, which is what eastern europe was, the place rocked.
mircea_popescu: then the nazis wiped them, modern jewry is in this situation where someone cut the flower, kept the stalk in a vase.
mircea_popescu: not only very very sad as it decays... but also mindboggling.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but in 2001 you could not find a better newspaper in new york.
mircea_popescu: and that was 2001. long, long before the greenwaldization, long long before the pr-intern and dumb-blonde-chick-from-minessota that eventually yielded its own bastardized meta-story eventually apotheosized in that horseface dumbass...
mircea_popescu: sure, no argument. nevertheless, there was still ground.
mircea_popescu: and on that ground that there was, nyt could not compete.
mircea_popescu: funny that newspapers survived mad koontz but did not survive vint cerf.
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assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, you think usenet was salvageable ?!
mircea_popescu: the guy's draft : nothing has been construted. let him draw.
mircea_popescu: the usenet : you can not "preserve in ice". this requires two naive presupositions : one that the text is self contained, the other that the text is fixed. neither is true.
mircea_popescu: much like any living organism, the text can only be interpreted in its environment (here - the people who wrote it), and only as a functional, living thing.
mircea_popescu: again - the supposition that the entire text is given in itself is naive.
mircea_popescu: just as much a part of it is invisible, and that invisibly decayed.
mircea_popescu: they only exist because you saved the unsaveable as well,
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that preconceived notions must be shared, for the text to be readable. these preconceptions melted.
mircea_popescu: everyone that can read it may keep a copy, and no one else.
mircea_popescu: and by "can read it" i mean, of course, "could have written it"
mircea_popescu: probably dotcom bust rattled enough of the people that they wanted to forget.
mircea_popescu: it may be that they wanted to forget for the reason you suspect, but i do not think so.
mircea_popescu: rarely do people wish to forget for a purpose. it's almost always for a cause
mircea_popescu: and that cause almost always is, "i can not believe how stupid i've been"
mircea_popescu: he's going to freeze the text AND THE OS dontcha know.
mircea_popescu: tyvm. meanwhile, i can't fucking remember where the tread on X is. so what do i do ? i ask here. and someone remembers and links.
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mircea_popescu: the problem with ascii being like naughty bits is merely a reflection of the much larger problem : everything about a text is like that. by itself.
mircea_popescu: introducing the gossipd style of comms changes nothing at all, merely makes this divide palpable, like that famous japanese butcher's following of the lines already there.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the same string from different hands is different, irreducibly.
mircea_popescu: links right into why one can't have "ideas" and all that.
mircea_popescu: "Confirmed: self-inflicted gunshot by neutralized subject," Capital Police spokeswoman Kimberly Schneider said in a statement.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:47:09; asciilifeform: how to take out sentry in any way that doesn't count as 'hand' ?
mircea_popescu: in fact, most sentires do not even realise they've been shot at if you miss before you reload.
mircea_popescu: and anyone (tm) should be able to sever a cervical spine at twenty paces.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:52:11; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'.
mircea_popescu: see, they're all selling the same snake oil, but! harvard is "for humanity', stanford is "patriotism", mit is "for the economy", the chicks one whatever it's called is "for the arts" etc.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the muppet in chief : anyone ever recall that embarassment when he was calling himself a "professor of constitution" while having been a lecturer, so eventually chicago came out with "he was REGARDED as a professor" ?
mircea_popescu: yes, sure. fuck them, who cares what the cattle "thinks".
mircea_popescu: "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is d
mircea_popescu: istinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."
mircea_popescu: see... that random schmuck doesn't know which side his nose is blown is one thing.
mircea_popescu: when the necks are [self]squeezed to the point a supposed "law school" publishes that tripe it is ANOTHER thing.
mircea_popescu: i prefer to refer to that other thing as kim-il-nigger. seems adequate.
mircea_popescu: "he is what he might have been had he been it". how about that ? insanity rampant.
mircea_popescu: it's a very simple thing : whores are, in point of fact, for the fact of having been whores, superior to "mere women", ie, the usual vanilla nitwit. this is a fact, incontrovertible as the fact that the sun is glowier than the moon.
mircea_popescu: however, the nitwits are a) abundant and b) firmly convinced of the contrary.
mircea_popescu: thus whore always finds herself in the position where the cheapest avenue is to ask master for a hammer to shut the dumbasses up.
mircea_popescu: elena is in no way different from evita, on this score.
mircea_popescu: eh, that's a corner case. most men don't need to be paid to fuck.
mircea_popescu: heck, you can just throw some printed sheets out of a car going "gangbang at X address" and you'll get a queue
mircea_popescu: or at least could a while back. mebbe world's changed, who knows.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is at best naive to imagine whore is whore "because the money". not so. whore does not give a shit, at which point might as well be paid. because - queue. has to be sorted somehow.
decimation: re: obaama < he has an actual history, some one knows it
mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose if by "programmer" you meant "web programmer"...
mircea_popescu: in this sense, i'm a coder because i ocasionally edit html o.O
mircea_popescu: and you will notice that even as an amateur - she ALSO charges for queing, ie, after the fact.
mircea_popescu: generally can not stand young man, irrespective of money.
mircea_popescu: "fucking idiots - the lot of them". exact quote. heard xn
mircea_popescu: one thing i don't think anyone can blame the whorish co-ed for, not getting involved with the bros.
mircea_popescu: or with the - horror of horrors - sensitive, lonely, loving geek.
mircea_popescu: "Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer." << that ayers ?
mircea_popescu: most nobody knew who he was. so fucking funny this shit, whenever something happened, the us "public intellectual" has to show up
mircea_popescu: hm... i guess in the context "color me" is a faux pas ?
decimation: as I recall moldbug once linked to some pretty convincing evidence re:ayers wrote obama's autobiography
decimation: "In To Teach, Ayers recounts the story of an ambitious teacher who takes her students out to the streets of New York to learn about its culture and history. These students ask to see the nearby Hudson River. When they get to the river's edge, one student says, " Look, the river is flowing up." A second student says, "No, it has to flow south-down." Upon further research, the teacher discovers "that the Hudson River is a tidal river,
decimation: that it flows both north and south, and they had visited the exact spot where the tide stops its northward push." "
decimation: "In Dreams, written two years later, Obama takes an unlikely detour to the exact spot on the parallel East River where the north-flowing tide meets the south-flowing river. There, improbably, a young black boy approaches this strange man and asks, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" Obama tells the boy it "had to do with the tides." "
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems the idea of 'not ghostwriting' is unthinkable with modern political types
decimation: I find it fascinating that a human can be invented from whole cloth, and then inserted into the political ladder
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine reading a book ghostwritten for me.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever watch 'the president's analyst''?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : best way to find out of magic packeted or not - actually deploy it as p2p relay as described. once wash dc is full of them you'll find out alright.
decimation: asciilifeform: one trouble is that open wifi is not easy to find these days
decimation: asciilifeform: I've seen something similar to old 'ricochet' network: wireless meter reading nodes
decimation: asciilifeform: that's one form, but some use 'mesh networking'
decimation: asciilifeform: what would be useful wrt this ESP8266 would be if one could modify the waveforms it used
decimation: it would be amusing to toy with 'ricochet'
decimation: I wonder if some entity gobbled up those 'assets' and is preventing their removal
decimation: asciilifeform: can't you look it up in public records?
decimation: as I recall, it was 'first to market' - well before mobile phone data plans were reasonably available (for non-bezzle price)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of the little toy : i wouldn't mind putting a few coins behind a project dedicating to actually creating an array of p2p relays operated "alegally" in the manner described (glued to peoplke's cars without their knowledge).
mircea_popescu: this is phase 1. phase 2 is when we target all the cars ever seen parked by a nsa building. give meta-nsa something to fret about.
mircea_popescu: and feel free to publish your design on the unfairly neglected blog eh ?
mircea_popescu: the parasithic nature and the strict contempt of "law" it displays are essential for its success.
decimation: I've thought about a small mechanical generator that could be attached to a swaying tree
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:56:07; asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine
decimation: is that related to that nadya peek chick
mircea_popescu: "It needs to be portable, therefore battery powered." << box.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:06:58; asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator.
decimation: yes, this seems like perfectly satisfactory course work for a phd student in engineering/'fabbing'
mircea_popescu: decimation in the endless words of george, "you will note that i am in the smaller office!"
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:08:43; asciilifeform: felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.
decimation: re: smaller office < note that one disadvantage that mit has is that because they are taken superficially as 'the hotness', they probably encounter very little negative feedback on obviously fucktarded behavior
decimation: asciilifeform: re: gotenna < yeah I don't get why phone is needed either. why not simple 4 line lcd with 'thumb keyboard'?
decimation: also I'm not sure that the rf band they are using is actually legal for that purpose
mircea_popescu: "(4) When I was on the front line, trying to sell Lispms, we had a major problem. I'd try to sell Lispms to friends and former associates that cost a minimum of $90K, and generally $105K out-the-door. They were typically given $120K to buy computers. This left them with a choice of purchasing 1 Symbolics machine or 3 Xerox Dolphins. They generally selected the 3 Dolphins. Our cost for the keyboard was $3,200 and our co
mircea_popescu: st for the monitor screen was $8K (at least that was what I was told). My recollection was that the manufacturing cost of a Symbolics machine was over $40K. Hence, about one-third of the cost of a machine was the keyboard, mouse, and display. I told people within Symbolics to consider using a dumb display as the front-end (something like a Datapoint terminal). I can remember one employee telling me something like "if p
mircea_popescu: eople can't appreciate why the machine is the way it is then they're stupid." Unfortunately, the potential buyers desired (drooled) to have them but few could afford them."
decimation: in order to sell such a thing legally in the us, you must explictly gain usg's permission, after suitably demonstrating that it works as claimed
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: decimation and if you don't care to "sell it legally" what happens ?
mircea_popescu: they gonna send some agents to confiscate imaginary bitcoin which then doesn't exist because "the agents stole it" ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone directly realises what epic self decapitation the dpr was for the usg.
decimation: mircea_popescu: fcc can and has send agents to seize your supply of device
mircea_popescu: what agent is EVER going to wish to go work on a case where the emperor has dclared "huge value", wioth the full knowlerdge that if the value is somehoiw missing he will be imputed it anyway ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've not actyually used a bank since i'm here.
mircea_popescu: notably, i once picked up a us chick who at the time was engaged to be married.
mircea_popescu: i was pretty amused at the notion, on multiple fronts.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I suspect that many usians go their whole life without touching non-usd currency
mircea_popescu remembers old day, after a two week "if it's tuesday, it's belgium" thing, at 4am in train station guy pouring ~kig and half of coins into a beggar's lap.
mircea_popescu: decimation 5% each year, 100% in 4 five year plans, comrade!
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you create unaccounted revenue, what.
decimation imagines what would happen if he tried to pay for groceries with euros
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious in a scholarly way exactly what sort of outrage would incentize teh usg to go back on its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things.
mircea_popescu: "but he made a blog post laughing at us for it" "oh... ok then!"
mircea_popescu: "Now we can address the contention that children are innately curious. They are not in the sense used here - they are tinkerers. The commonplace observation that children have short attention spans is direct refutation of the notion that they are creative and curious in any deep sense. The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of ch
mircea_popescu: ildlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite."
decimation: in practice, if usg wants to move you out of your house, they just freeze your accounts and bleed you with fines
decimation: in some states, local inspectors must approve rental properties
decimation: just like it's absurd to claim that 'in a democracy, government can do xxx but not yyy'
mircea_popescu: apparently it just needs to ask for permission (from a usg magistrate - improperly called a judge for the obvious reasons)
mircea_popescu: "Article X, Section 4 of the Florida Constitution exempts homestead property from levy and execution by judgment creditors."
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decimation: and residents about the lack of property maintenance on many rental properties...blah blah"
mircea_popescu: this is the libertard verbiage as to why king abolished proper title. "the drunkard nobles wanted to be able to sell!!1"
decimation: "rental homes should be safe for women at night in slut wear"
mircea_popescu: "Florida Constitution does not protect homestead property against tax liens, homeowner association mechanic’s liens associated with labor or materials to repair or improve the homestead property, and voluntary liens including mortgages and homeowner association liens. "
decimation: lol well then what does it protect against?
mircea_popescu: basically it means that if old bitty runs down your new car with her beater,
decimation: unfortunately no transcript. the relevant point was about how the constitution was 'reinterpreted' during the new deal years to mean that the 'equal protection under law' clause doesn't apply to actual laws
decimation: as long as there is a 'reasonable basis' for the law (as in, usg can provide any reason whatsoever"
mircea_popescu: all constitutions are constantly reinterpreted. see discussion about the bbs above.
mircea_popescu: this is why a constitution is fundamentally a joke. if you have the men that you need for it to work, you don't need it. if you don't have them, it's useless anyway.
mircea_popescu: whether outside or in. the scribblings of the mental patient - informative.
decimation: actually the soviet constitution is exactly an excercise in 'process determines outcomes'
decimation: on paper, democracy blooms. in practice, party secretary is the tzar
decimation: the detail I recall is the vast pyramids of committees and soviets that each 'advise' the next layer
mircea_popescu: much like the us. except the soviets making up the soyouz actually had more autonomy than wisconsin
decimation took a class on soviet politics in undergrad, but it wasn't terribly informative
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes brejnev's. which one, the pre war ?!
mircea_popescu: there wasn't anything in between was there ? stalin didn't dare.
decimation: surely even stalin had to pretend that he was operating the structure installed by lenin and his friends on kronstadt
decimation: asciilifeform: surely the average peasant couldn't be much bothered to distinguish between comrade joe and tzar nikolai?
decimation: so who gave a fuck about whatever the local soviet declared? folks who wanted to climb the power structure?
decimation: yes, but usg has been very successful at brainwashing the masses into believing its bullshit
decimation: but I think this is failing too. how many us folk believe that throwing their sons into the us military 'intervention' wood chipper is actually helping anyone other than the power-mad staffers in washington?
chetty: most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston
decimation: chetty: the ones from virginia certainly kept plantations
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chetty: decimation certainly, even as far north as Maryland but I don't think it was the majority
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mircea_popescu: <chetty> most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?
mircea_popescu: "Harriette Halepis is a journalist by trade. Her work can be seen in Vegetarian Times, Seacoast Living, Success Magazine, Alive Magazine, and various other online and offline publications."
mircea_popescu: journalist as opposed to indian battery chicken, i guess. "i cluck at the keyboard just like the wetbacks, but in not being a wetback i get to call myself a journalist. by trade!"
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chetty: <mircea_popescu> <chetty> most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?//founding fathers = circa 1770
chetty: not so much in the north, northern farms were small
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mats: Fun fact: Media companies (or contractors thereof) are doing vuln research on media players in order to plant bug-triggering media files on warez sites.
mats: e.g. they have a VLC bug that causes it to use terabytes of memory
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mats: on Windows the common codecs formats means that 99% of users would be running a 32-bit version of both the video player and the codecs
mats: ofc, on x64 Linux the oom killer catches it
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mats: and on the subject of media, four episodes of this season's Game of Thrones have been leaked
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pete_dushenski: "Toyota Venza volume peaked in the model’s first full year at 54,410 units. Two years later, in 2011, Venza sales slid 28%. Last year, U.S. Venza volume was barely more than half what it was in 2009." << oh hey look pete killed the venza with his cartoon drawings in 2011
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mircea_popescu: and in other news, jesus CHRIST has the world decayed since I last looked for a host.
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody actually still does anything anymore. just watch tv all day or something.
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jurov: i have serious doubts myself, why bother messing around at all?
mircea_popescu: I just... never looked for a webhost since at least 2002, been using pretty much the same outfit since.
mircea_popescu: this entire "we've been sitting on an order for 36 hours" thing is entirely novel. no idea when it came in, but it strikes me as outlandish.
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno dood, for money, cause it's what you do... the world was built by men who enjoyed working.
mircea_popescu: GREAT WOMEN IN HISTOREE. a confused squaw we now deem important!
jurov: they had to neva some other cause, perhaps believed their children appreciate it or such
trinque: the world's too comfortable; goes back to the thread yesterday about whether being self-taught is a thing
trinque: subset of "being self-directed at all is a thing"
mircea_popescu: one can only be self-directed if one's ego can stfu for long intervals.
jurov: i kinda ran out of problem i feel the need of solving
jurov: not sure how it is possible
mircea_popescu: trinque this pointedly excludes "creative people", obv. the sad story of WBs animation studio post quimby vs pre is a fine illustration there.
jurov: something that bothers me
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, creative people, entrepreneurs. In my case I've been self-directed for the larger part of the last 5 years, but I wouldn't credit myself with having provided all the motivation to go down that route.
trinque: other men in my family did things that still tower above my own achievements, so I have something to compare myself with
jurov: i have noticed both mircea and alf show irreconcilable hate for certain things, maybe it's a prereq?
jurov: i can't persist and doubt everything
mircea_popescu: it's not even hate, to be technical. it's more like "this may not even exist".
mircea_popescu: jurov meanwhile, while we've been having this conversation, there's been one of those open air concerts going on right under my window. the women can not sing. i mean... the tune is not even close, it's like zappa's "the beat goes on, and you're so wrong..." stuff.
mircea_popescu: they're doing covers of shitty elevator music, all of it in english (or should i say their lords and masters over the faulklands ?), and they don't get the words right or even rightly apprehend what anything means.
mircea_popescu: and people are like, squaling in delight, there's thunderous applause... "forever young" hasn't got this bad a mangling since the last tiem a drunk dude in wichita sung it at a karaoke
mircea_popescu: amps should be a restricted fucking export. buncha native retards and their cargo cultishness bejeezuz.
trinque: this morning I got a bunch of 2fa texts from circle; I wonder if they have an undiagnosed bug leaking customer info
trinque: one with an empty account, yeah
trinque: heh, reminds me I have the account?
trinque: it worked! reminded me to close the account
mike_c: trinque: it's even viral. now I am reminded to close my account too.
mircea_popescu: what is this "close account" stuff you folks are talking about ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: we tell circle to mark a bit to 0 in their db, and they keep our info for all time
mircea_popescu: it says right here in paragraph obama subsection nobody could have foreseen : fuck you, if you have an account you didn't make that account.
trinque: speaking of him, this chatter is something I'm seeing on more accounts than just circle
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mr "if you have a stanford you didn't go to that stanford" / "if you have a presidency your parents didn't make you in that country" / "if you had an insurance you can no longer have an insurance" even realises what his memory is going to look like
mircea_popescu: "hi, i am obama and for a while there I was a bad meme."
trinque: mircea_popescu: they probably give him pills to help with that
mircea_popescu: amusingly, after bitching above, just got email from one of the folks involved apologizing profusely. so which one of you dudes runs godmodehost ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: why do the 'natives' there sing low quality us pop music instead of performing their own stuff?
decimation: my understanding is that latin jazz was inspired by shortwave broadcasts of us jazz
trinque: probably as simple as "because they gorge on our shitty entertainment, like the morons everywhere"
mircea_popescu: hence why "globalisation" is the necessary end game of a "the many matter"
mircea_popescu: decimation i have no idea, maybe it has. if that's the case then your answer is "because THIS stupid generation is different from THAT one."
decimation: well, at least the last generation took what they heard and remixed it to something somewhat unique
jurov: decimation, imported is flashier
mircea_popescu: in fairness, as far as pop music is concerned, not understanding what the lyrics say is a net plus.
jurov: was happening for a very loong time in ostblok
decimation: jurov: many have noted that western liberalism is much more concerned with 'the other' than with themselves
jurov: at least in czechoslovakia, it *was*
mircea_popescu: was that not just natural "look to vienna" for the kingdom of bohemia ?
trinque: decimation: how does that square with the rampant narcissism?
jurov: more like general setup if things, you prolly did not get radio luxembourg in ro
decimation: trinque: easy. 'the distant other' always happens to agree with your own liberalizing views
mircea_popescu: "the other" is a puny excuse for the ego to escape the superego.
trinque: american buddhists come to mind
mircea_popescu: hence the automatic "we" every idiot drops to the moment i get my club.
decimation: jurov: surely they received it on shortwave
decimation: but I'm not sure how many people in eastern eu countries had shortwave receivers
mircea_popescu: man's most prized possession. like kalash in pashtunland.
jurov: yes, everyone had. and first mass available magnetophones appeared
jurov: yes, tape reel players
jurov: (same machine, you couldn't get one that could not record)
jurov: interesting that govt did not regulate them at all, unlike photocopiers
jurov: tape was seemingly never used for political purposes
jurov: it bit them to ass when videotapes came, tho
mircea_popescu: you had to "register" your typewriter. kids didn't have to register their magnetophone.
mircea_popescu: does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: like a retarded native american would have taken it to the shaman to be exorcised ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yes that seems reasonable
mircea_popescu: like the retarded native americans go through the tsa anal gefingerpoken so as to be clarified of their sins ?
mircea_popescu: i said this before, but perhaps not as clearly : no totalitarian state oppressed the people. ever.
mircea_popescu: the people seek certain forms, and the bureaucracy follows.
mircea_popescu: no bureaucracy EVER did anything. it has as much agency as rain.
trinque: mircea_popescu: always a very small number of whichever govt officials compared to the total populatio
decimation: mircea_popescu: you see this in the us with the ambiguity usg shows toward spying in general
mircea_popescu: no dude. hitler didn't "force germans". buncha bored women wanted it. all of it.
mircea_popescu: they were treying to get the russians to rape them and found a way.
decimation: 'the people' desperately want to believe that there is a secretly competent branch of usg saving them from themselves
mircea_popescu: the us population fundamentally wishes to be deeply humiliated by the entire world. it's what they're doing over there.
mircea_popescu: why us army hasn't been allowed to win a war since the 60s at least.
mircea_popescu: just... abjection. it's a lot more psychologically attractive than most people dare to admit.
decimation: yes, and it's seen as noble because it embiggens 'the other' in the third whom they idolize
trinque: we are taught (though this is of course delusional) that we're supposed to be this force of GOOD (TM) in the world
trinque: then why the drive towards abjection?
trinque: because then they're at least important enough to bother humiliating?
mircea_popescu: "That Lakota men did not like to be called "heart of a woman" in council meetings is less likely to mean that women were regarded as inferior than that the warrior's role was sharply set off from the woman's role". Check it out, both the Lakota and Hassrick managed to figure it out!
trinque: so this abjection drive is a matter of female psychology?
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ascii_modem: not registered only because tech did not allow
decimation: but the tech allowed registration of copiers?
ascii_modem: them to be told apart easily, as typewrtrs
decimation suspects that the longer one resides in south america, the more one would come to appreciate herr colacho
mircea_popescu: "Aun cuando la historia no tenga leyes el curso de una revolución se prevé fácilmente, porque la estupidez y la demencia sí las tienen."
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gribble: wn: demented adj 1: affected with madness or insanity; "a man who had gone mad" [syn: {brainsick}, {crazy}, {demented}, {disturbed}, {mad}, {sick}, {unbalanced}, {unhinged}]
mircea_popescu: sure, the dysfunctional us "dictionaries", really properly wikitionaries have everything equal. (demencia passion locura furia) = (insanity crazyness madness
mircea_popescu: decimation no. demented is different from mad in that one lacks the intellect whereas the other has a malfunctioning intellect. the alzhimer patient is demented but not mad.
mircea_popescu: that's teleological in usage. but perhaps there's something long forgotten to the etymology.
jurov: btw, is there a trilema piece about how to maintain endless lists of "things that are not to exist" without becoming mad in the process?
mircea_popescu: but for the other, how do you maintain the list of endless things that are not letters ?
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 18:33:07; mircea_popescu: inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 16:56:38; pete_dushenski: should add this to ma cv or something
jurov: i did not mean to split hairs there :) so it goes like, you get upset, add it to the list while maybe breaking the keyboard or two and life goes on?
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mircea_popescu: i couldn't finish hayek because he was stupid. think about that, hayek of all people. if hayek is stupid what chance do we have ?
mircea_popescu: but the fact remains, i keep reading through, stupid accumulates, eventually overrurns my (short) buffer and i drop it.
mircea_popescu: seeing how stupidity is not self-healing, i don't even need to keep the list per se. just read another sentence later.
jurov: i just shrug it and try to forget.. guess i need to unlearn that
mircea_popescu: either that or perfect the skill, shrug and try to be a rock or something.
mircea_popescu: "welcome, driving class. today, we learn how to accelerate the car. next week, we'll learn steering and braking."
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assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 16:57:38; asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time.
mircea_popescu: but the original northern colonists (south didn't exist, like oregon didn't exist during civil war) ran exactly the equivalent of the southern plantation,
mircea_popescu: it was common practice to pick up children off the street / take the children of people living on the dole and send them over.
mircea_popescu: regularly children as old as 12 are listed as "servants". girls, mostly.
mircea_popescu: in fact, even the puritans, even on the mayflower, for all the pretense to contrary, shipped a total of four children that had been stolen from a gentry woman in england, against hte mother's wishes. three died the first winter there.
mircea_popescu: the woman's husband wanted to end the fee tail on the woman's dowry estate, and did not wish to entertain her children (which she had with a guy she actually liked, about her age), and so ... had his friend teh lord of the cinque ports declare them slaves, and they got sent where slaves went in 1500.
decimation: "Two were "Negro slaves", but the other eight were white servants, including Thomas Pearce, a 20-year-old Bristol joiner, and William Webster, a middle-aged Scottish brick-maker. Whether they were ever found remains a mystery; almost nothing is known about them but their names. But their irate master was to become very famous indeed, for the man pursuing his absconding servants was called George Washington."
decimation: well, the colonies were a nice place to 'disappear' all kinds of crazies
mircea_popescu: decimation the fact remains that slavery is generally productive, and in some circumstances the only practicable alternative.
mircea_popescu: that it's badmouthed by the lazy, and that the encyclopedists pushed this angle where the late failure is presented as pars pro toto reporesentative... well.
mircea_popescu: what if i started an encyclopedia presenting the current state of "web development" as indicative of what computing science is ?
mircea_popescu: "even the slave masters themselves agreed slavery is a bad idea".
decimation: note that the above mentioned indentured servants volunteered, probably because of bankruptcy
mircea_popescu: heck, the french conscripts of the french republicalso volunteered
mircea_popescu: the fact that the medical science of detecting imaginary maladies never got such a boost before or since notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: one should still wonder why would record numbers of malingerers seen in a thorouhgly voluntary force.
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mats: the popular retelling of american history is terribly freedomwashed
mats: see: Daniel Day Lewis' role in Lincoln (2012)
mats: like lincoln ever gave a shit about emancipating the negros ... rather than driving them into revolt, resistance, and generally disrupting the southern economy
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mircea_popescu: pious fraud. no history was ever told any other way, because the principal driver behind history as a human behaviour is exactly what Chillum was describing re his involvement in wikipedia.
mats: but i want to hear more about what the wikipedia admins are talking about in their private channel
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jurov: nice, it includes not just trannies, but split/absent personalities, too
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Adlai discussed just this very issue over dinner with a university professor
Adlai: and he was all... "ultimately, it's all bullshit"
ben_vulpes: i'm just going to use it as a filter, the same way i filter against men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie.
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