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mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology
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benkay: gon' need some more whores.
pankkake: and bear mccreary must be doing 80% of tv series
mircea_popescu: benkay funny how bait died. those pics really sucked too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, i think he may be more than a few tweaks and turns away from an actual workable harem.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, strikes me as to young and unpracticed.
mircea_popescu: well, he's ambitious which is good, and has stuck around for a while, which is also good.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Seems like he also gave up on mining which is good
mircea_popescu: and while i suspect he's not necessarily willing to openly admit as much, he prolly got my point.
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mircea_popescu: it's such a weird artefact of times long gone, to see women wearing panties...
benkay: until you've got the girls showing up with other girls you can't really call it a harem.
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ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Nobody hires anymore. It's ...
ThickAsThieves: in a few years everyone will just be their own business
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assbot: Voicing drew for 30 minutes.
benkay: <ThickAsThieves> in a few years everyone will just be their own business << why do you think i do what i do?!
ozbot: Twitter / _mculp: @mircea_popescu @beautyon_ ...
mike_c: at least the idiff's are actually in play this quarter. nice to see.
benkay: how's the arb look idiff vs bitbet?
mike_c: don't see much on bitbet to short diff for june
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☟︎ ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
benkay: is there any field-leading work on option/parimutuel parity?
mircea_popescu: hey mike_c how about a bot that gives odds and whatnot for bitbet links ?
mike_c: we need more bots in here
mircea_popescu: what we need is a better ozbot. like, providing a read of bitbet bets, and better baits
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BingoBoingo: What about that Periscope idea that does upskirts and whatever?
mircea_popescu: soi the x.idiff expire 18th of june, and trading around 11bn atm
mircea_popescu: it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash
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gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Control code is UP! or DOWN!
gribble: scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash /// afaik ASICminer has yet to release the hounds
assbot: Voicing Jezzz for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: you gotta be id' with gribble, in assbot's wot to self-voice yourself.
mircea_popescu: say, how hard would it be to make it look for bet pool on bitbets ?
assbot: Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: there. now you can id with gribble, and then pm assbot !up
Jezzz: mircea_popescu: not hard
benkay: DrewHorne: who are you?
Jezzz: i'd just need to take a look at the bitbets api
Jezzz: have a link handy?
mike_c: Jezzz: bitbet provides json with all the bet information. just add ?json to end of bet url.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded.
DrewHorne: im coming from the bitcointalk.org investments forum, I have a very solid business plan that I am looking for investment on, and after speaking with ThickAsThieves he said that the best way to go about vetting my idea in the bitcoin space was to bring it here
Jezzz: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine the bitbet interaction working?
mircea_popescu: <ozbot> BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes, 30 btc on no, 55 days left.
mircea_popescu: <ozbot> BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight).
DrewHorne: basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, especially since it is over a 5 year period. I am very much of the opinion however that there are forward thinking and open minded investors of all sorts in the bitcoin space
ThickAsThieves: Couldn't kako also dynamically create the title to be that?
mike_c: you'll have to add up all the bets yourself because kako said so :)
Jezzz: also, if you've got to provide the entire link, not sure that's a real handy shortcut
benkay: 677 is the unique id, Jezzz mircea_popescu
Jezzz: but if everyone wants it, i'll code it up
benkay: mircea_popescu wants it, Jezzz
DrewHorne: also some parts of the strategy are confidential, and would only be on the table for discussion after signing a mutual NDA and mutually confirming our identities
Jezzz: how about .bitbet 677
assbot: Voicing Ziggy9263 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Jezzz i wouldn't know wtf the bitbet 677 is off my head
mircea_popescu: i tend to just link a biutbet, then i find myuself having to paste data
Jezzz: lemme see if there's an easy way to do like a dynamic search
DrewHorne: BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years
ThickAsThieves: Drew if any of the secrets you keep are require dknowledge to vet your plan, then we cant help you
Jezzz: like .bitbet bastille
mike_c: you already grabbing URLs, should be easy to regex bitbet urls and do something different, no?
ThickAsThieves: also, if you lead with your hands out, that doesnt help
mircea_popescu: <DrewHorne> basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, << so that's the end of the discussion.
Jezzz shoos DrewHorne to #fiat-assets
DrewHorne: this is true, hence I am in a bit of a paradox here.
mircea_popescu: you're in the barber shop explaining you want clothes made.
mircea_popescu: <DrewHorne> BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years << this should go in my list of "stupid things one should never say"
ThickAsThieves: you are more excited to share what you want from people, than what you have to offer them
DrewHorne: was i not sharing both equally by simultaneously sharing what I want and how it would benefit them?
mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.
DrewHorne: and i actually don't watch any TV really
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
mircea_popescu: it's bitbet. kakobrekla can we make individual bet titles read like "BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight)" instead of just bet title as is now ?
Jezzz: but I bet ozbot does it before bitbet does :)
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.// hey that was my point!
Jezzz: indeed ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that hehe. we've had rapid deployment b4
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Jezzz: mircea_popescu: i'm almost done, they better hurry :)
Jezzz: if you are, i'll stop
DrewHorne: ThickAsThieves - so if I were able to discuss ~90% of my business plan here, but it involved fiat currency, would this not be a proper place to vet the plan?
kakobrekla: i am, as in exist, i havent started make the change yet.
Jezzz: no sense in us both doing it
Jezzz goes back to his other project :)
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ThickAsThieves: DrewHorne, either share or dont share, youre worrying about the drapes for a house you dont own yet
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne if you want to discuss some business plan, discuss some business plan
mircea_popescu: use naked in public or something, those retouched soft pronz are painful
Jezzz: if you have another tumblr source you'd like me to add to the randomization, I can do that
Jezzz: lol, case in point I guess
Jezzz: dunno if I have time to build ozbot a porn analyzation engine
mircea_popescu: lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is!
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ThickAsThieves: "Coinbase announced that it acquired Kippt, a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to store and sort online media."
Jezzz: mike_c: notice that too :P
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: acqui-hire
ThickAsThieves: but the acquired folks are old ycombo buddies of coinbase's
mircea_popescu: "a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to grammer"
mike_c: grammar has two a's :D
mike_c: no startup ever goes bust in the us. always an acq-hire at the end..
mike_c: yeah, it's a new thing. so retarded.
benkay: not retarded at all. better the team you know than the miscellaneous derps from the meetup you don't.
mike_c: Jezzz: can you make ozbot automatically correct people's spelling?
mike_c: benkay: not retarded to do it, retarded to have these "blah blah company got acquired" nonsense
mike_c: when they just hired the team and nobody got any money
mike_c: and they immediately shut the project down
mircea_popescu: mike_c everyone thinks "it's good pr". somehow the fucking world is upside down. for instance, in a sane market, the shareholders of the acquirer would discount ther share
mircea_popescu: but in backwards world, "having spent a lot of money" is a claim to fame,
mircea_popescu: because everyone's living handout to handout, and the best way to be loved is to create the appearance of doling out handouts
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assbot: Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.
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Drew: how do you send a private message on here
Drew: first experience with freenode
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kakobrekla: you type in this box, this is private, limited to earth residents
mike_c: except the aliens that read the log
Drew: i mean as far as if i rejoin and need to get !upped again
Drew: like how do i private message assbot to up me
kakobrekla: that the last step of many steps one must take before one takes the last step
Drew: ok, well anyways ThickAsThieves here are a few rough points on my business for discussion
Drew: OK - I have successfully thrown a music festival in Atlanta called Lunar Massive. Our plan is to continue the brand in the most optimum direction and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons. -
☟︎ Drew: 1. There is a media company (SFX entertainment) has stated that they are building a $1 billion empire in the Electronic Dance Music (EDM) space and have already spent $400 million buying different EDM festival related brands all over the world in the last year for anywhere from $15-$100 million.
benkay: /query assbot to start a conversation
Drew: 2. -out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials. -Electronic Music is indisputably the music of choice for the 18-34 year old demographic mentioned above -The “Electronic Music Culture”, as he calls it, is more digitally plugged in and more reliably marketed to in a modern sense than any other genre -The industry is currently very fragmented, and was much mor
Drew: thank you benkay, and thanks for !upping me
benkay: also, you can't up yourself, i don't think.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Drew
Drew: 3. -If he was able to unite much of the industry under one brand, he would effectively control the marketing ability to 18-34 year olds with disposable income, an ability worth a tremendous amount of money to corporations that are looking to market their product to this demographic (of which there are a vast amount)
Drew: 4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars. We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand.
Drew: 5. The majority of music festivals, including the ones he has purchased, have one large event per year. If they are quality events, they gain a raving loyal following who attends every year and their audience steadily increases. (Electric Forest, Ultra Music Festival, etc)
Drew: 6. Our brand will have 8-10 medium/large scale events (~10-15 thousand people, multiple stages, 20+ acts), each with 10 small scale events (500-2500 people, one stage, 2-3 acts) in the surrounding area. Each medium/large scale event will be annually, with the 10 surrounding small events spaced out throughout the year to lead up to each large scale event.
Drew: 7. The medium / large scale events will be spaced out around the year in each different location (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) so that the portion of the fanbase we develop into rabid fans can literally follow our brand around the country, like some music fans do.
Drew: 8. the effect created by our structure will be to, instead of having one event per year for promotion to be centered around, we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect
benkay: literal perfect company?
benkay: town down the rhetoric e-boy.
dub: I lol that the US learned about "EDM" 30 years later and is liek 'jump on dis new shit'
BingoBoingo: So... How do you compete against incumbents like LiveNation et al
benkay: how do you plan to address the e-tard's demonstrated abhorrence of large brands?
Drew: i would say that those 2 questions are very much interrelated
Drew: i would say that livenation is automatically abhorred by the vast majority of not only e-tards but lovers of live music in general
Drew: while they own many venues and are able to throw larger shows and more frequently than most people, they don't directly throw any festivals or 5000+ person events that i am aware of
Drew: they sponsor many festivals but are not in direct ownership of any
benkay: yeah they keep their brand where nobody can see it.
benkay: this sounds like "we;re going to be the grateful dead but ultra corporate and the kids will love it"
Drew: i would correct you though benkay, in that the abhorrence is mostly towards large corporation involvement in live music, not so much the brands themselves
benkay: brands. how even ams brand.
benkay: if your brand = your corporation, i don't see how that's addressing the concern.
Drew: electric daisy carnival is branching out their festival, and even though they recently formed a "creative partnership" with SFX (the corporate devil in their eyes) that is not taking away from their brand following
benkay: burning man has a 'too big' branding problem already.
benkay: sounds like a fiat business.
benkay: zero reason for btc folk to get involved.
Drew: unless they were looking to put their eggs in multiple baskets rather than one
benkay: second market if gambling's your thing.
benkay: Drew: we're mostly interested in businesses that cryptocurrencies enable.
benkay: not much of that in this play.
Drew: I came here at the advice of ThickAsThieves, though I could have been more clear with him about the background of it
benkay: ya well that gets you some amount of politeness.
Drew: I am looking on the bitcointalk.org forum for an investor though, and one thing you may be able to help me with (if you are willing) would be how to more readiliy pitch it to them
benkay: go outside. meet people in the entertainment biz. raise money, do thing.
Drew: thats ok, politeness isn't something i came looking for. I have a thick skin and would prefer constructive brute criticism to beating around the bush senseless politeness any day
benkay: start small and demonstrate competence.
benkay: business rolls downhill to the heavy objects. be a heavy object.
benkay: have you done anything like this before?
benkay: what experience do you have managing dopamine-depleted volunteers and arbitrating rape accusations on the fly?
Drew: we just successfully threw a music festival in atlanta with some pretty star studded acts
Drew: the response was that it was the 3rd best electronic music event held in atlanta to date
Drew: with the exception of tomorrowworld and counterpoint, 2 multi-day festivals with 100x the budget
BingoBoingo: Honestly Drew you sound like a less floridly psychotic version of Dank on bitcointalk with this plan.
Drew: well i'm glad i come across as less psychotic at least
Drew: We actually have experience though, have accomplished some things already, and are looking to expand
Drew: and actually have a team with 50 years of experience in the market
Drew: i would hope that that would separate me from people such as dank
benkay: these are all claims as what require substantiation.
benkay: best way to substantiate claims about identity is...get in to the wot and get people vouching for you.
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc beginners guide
benkay: not much use if you're running a fiat biz and only care about your fiat connections, though.
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benkay: i can't trust you without it though.
Drew: i would imagine that there are some btc connections that may decide to become a fiat connection any day though
Drew: i'd imagine that it happens both ways every day actually
benkay: he gets it. hey mikey!
benkay: you've got 4 minutes of voice left, Drew...
Drew: yeah benkay, it seems like the web of trust is where i need to head to
Drew: so what is the easiest way to accquire trust through that? or the most efficient rather
benkay: repeated demonstrations of competence.
benkay: basically, other humans have to trust you.
Drew: so i will basically have to dig a hole and fill it back in again for the sole sake of demonstrating competence
assbot: Voice for Drew extended to 30 minutes.
Drew: what can i do that is productive towards my goal to gain that
benkay: depends on your skills
benkay: what you can be trusted to do
benkay: what you've *been* trusted to do
assbot: Voice for Drew extended to 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Drew: If you lurk opportunities get offered rather frequently to do things for people.
benkay: thing is that you gotta lurk
benkay: and the opportunities are neither guaranteed nor lucrative.
BingoBoingo: It really depends. You can scroll up to the conversation about making ozbot better as an example.
Drew: seems like lucrative isnt the point
Drew: trust would be the point
BingoBoingo: These things happen nearly every day. Maybe it takes a while for something to fit your skillset.
benkay: mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano
benkay: 'course, there's no cardano yet.
BingoBoingo: The point though is to continue demonstrating you aren't an idiot
Drew: also as much as i appreciate the bitcoin space, it is not my expertise
benkay: and also that you execute
Drew: im definitely not an idiot, but a good friend of mine is the bitcoin expert
Drew: and also my referral to this space
benkay: the opportunities in -assets are almost entirely bitcoin exclusive.
benkay: nubbins` by virtue of being here sometimes has landed printing jobs
benkay: various artists have been commissioned via this channel
benkay: but this is a bitcoin centric space.
BingoBoingo: Drew: Well the best time to start learning the space was 2010-2011. The next best time to start learning is today.
Drew: i feel that there should be a way to earn trust with this space in other ways than proving bitcoin competency
benkay: death to fiat fueled governments etc etc
benkay: bitcoin competence is a baseline.
BingoBoingo: The way to learn though is more reading than doing, at least at first.
benkay: (referring to BingoBoingo)
Drew: where would be a good point to start, readingwise
BingoBoingo: benkay: I think asciilifeform Has a better point
mod6: pff, how about 'how many satoshi in 1 BTC?' i see them get this wrong /constantly/ on twitter, drives me up a tree.
benkay: yeah, that's a good one.
mod6: if i had 1 satoshi for everytime they got it wrong, i'd have 1 BTC by now.
benkay: "doesn't bleed coins"?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine they have half of it. Seaman vs. Able Seaman
benkay: recent grad vs. support engineer
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Drew: so if the bitcoin assets space is definitely almost entirely btc focused, would you say that the bitcointalk space is as well? I have had a couple of responses even on my posts that were almost entirely flame-ridden
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Drew: do you not think that there are investors in that space that would be interested in fiat investments?
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benkay: rent has fleeced a bunch, Drew
BingoBoingo: There probably are some. Not many people take anything on Bitcointalk seriously
Drew: really? i was referred to it as being one of the top 2000 most trafficked sites on the internet
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Drew: which is definitely quantity over quality, as is evident
benkay: most investors who want to go long the USD do so with their USD investments.
Duffer1: you would have to be incredibly profitable to roi for investors who buy in BTC if your customers are paying in fiat
benkay: being profitable in btc.
Drew: yea duffer definitely
Drew: so let me ask you guys something
benkay: shit gets complicated fast when you touch both positive and negative terminals.
Drew: in the next 5 years, what do you see the roi being on bitcoin?
Drew: my friend has told me that with a 1% widespread usage, with all the BTC mined they would be 1 million USD apiece?
Drew: something along those lines
Drew: relative to todays USD value
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
BingoBoingo: Prolly take more than five years for that though
kakobrekla: asciilifeform its also fortunate you arrived :)
Drew: more than 5 years to reach that usage rate? or more than 5 years for all BTC to be mined? or both?
mircea_popescu: Drew there seems to be no mention anywhere except on the promoters' fb pages.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In my region we seem to be having a strong rebound year for bees.
Drew: from just a google search or?
Drew: several articles come up just from the google search
Drew: with atlanta included (probably necessary)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania also has an abundance of free ranged butterflies.
mircea_popescu: most industrialised countries do not, lepidopterae being some of the most sensitive to pollution
mircea_popescu: Drew aha so nov 15, North Atlanta Trade Center, $40 a ticket.
Drew: they grew more expensive as the event approached but that was one of the early bird prices
mircea_popescu: any published material that includes your name in connection to this ?
Drew: probably not honestly. I organized the entire team that threw it, met and introduced the 2 partners (EDMutual and Decibel), designed the initial business plan and found the investment. My name isnt on any of that though
Drew: there is plenty of published material regarding EDMutual and Decibel though, and through them i can very readily prove my association with this project
mircea_popescu: well so you can appreciate our problem. if we were to try and evaluate your claim, we'd have no objective weay to distinguish you from a random guy that bought a ticket.
mircea_popescu: this is something you may wish to consider for the next thing you organise.
Drew: for a random guy who bought a ticket, i sure have some ambitious plans for this project ;)
Drew: i see what you mean though
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the next step, which is the wot, whose purpose is exactly that.
mircea_popescu: Our plan is to continue the brand > you mean "lunar massive" ?
mircea_popescu: "in the most optimum direction" unless you're mel, optimum is a superlative for you. it takes no comparative.
mircea_popescu: "and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons" > can you name such a brand that was acquired ? when, by whom, how much ?
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ozbot: Observations of an Internet Middleman | Beyond Bandwidth
Duffer1: Mircea whatever happened with Mrs. Boring?
Drew: SFX entertainment (the company whose tastes we are building our brand to cater to) has made the following acquisitions in the last few years
mircea_popescu: "Much has been made of peering agreements. Many peering agreements were made between engineers in the early days of the Internet and consisted of not much more than a single page of text – if there was anything written down at all. They weren’t really contracts in the way you might consider a formal legal agreement."
Drew: -Disco Donnie Presents - $50,000,000 - 100% ownership
mircea_popescu: this is quite important btw. never forget that the internet exists more as a mpex contract than anything else.
Drew: -Electric Daisy Carnival - $50,000,000 - 50% ownership
RyanKinder: fluffypony: Just read your post on the vertcoin subreddit. Interesting stuff.
Drew: -ID&T (Tomorrowland / Tomorrowworld) - $100,000,000 - 75% ownership
Drew: -Dayglow - $35,000,000 - 100% ownership
Drew: -Beatport - $52,000,000 - 100% ownership
Drew: -MMG - 16,900,000 - 80% ownership
Drew: -Totem Onelove - $75,000,0000 - 100% ownership
Drew: -i-Motion - $12,000,000 - 70% ownership
mircea_popescu: Drew the edc i knew was like the world's largest electronic stuff, but i had no idea some sfx thing had bought it
assbot: Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.
Drew: one moment ill grab the link
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with US amateur radio licensing
Drew: whups my apologies that acquisition was by live nation rather than sfx
Drew: but live nation acquired 50% of insomniac for 50,000,000
Drew: insomniac still owns the festival EDC, but live nation actually owns 50% of insomniac now
Drew: the rest of those acquisitions were by SFX entertainment
Drew: i did my homework mircea, sorry i missed one of the problems
mircea_popescu: generally speaking the prospective investor will run into one of these, and just drop the thing silently.
mircea_popescu: also generally speaking, this sort of thing we're doing here is paid on retainer, and by the hour.
mircea_popescu: "4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars."
Drew: and i do appreciate yalls patience and interest in this
Drew: not anywhere close to that
Drew: based on a pattern of purchases and what those companies mean to him through those purchases
mircea_popescu: branson can say easily a quarter billion. coming out of you it just sounds ... like a millenial.
mircea_popescu: 8-10 medium/large scale events << this is where you show the demographics of the area.
mircea_popescu: what about georgia can support 10 medium/large scale events ?
Drew: his first acquisition was disco donnie presents....a brand known for throwing terrible quality events
Drew: 10 medium / large scale events nationwide
Drew: each area will serve as its own hotspot
mircea_popescu: then how is this supposed to work ? is your team made out of 10 people ?
Drew: our team has 6-8 core members and 5-10 more that are involved to a lesser degree
mircea_popescu: (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) < the count is 8, and this stinks of poorly researcher. why denver and not seattle, for instance ?
Drew: i listed those cities primarily to illustrate a the way the shows would be spread out
mircea_popescu: but you're supposed to do the research. do the demographic work. KNOW why X and not Y.
Drew: to moreso basically describe the general idea
mircea_popescu: these aren't the result of throwing darts at a highschool map
mircea_popescu: yes, i get the general idea that the us contains a number of cities.
mircea_popescu: "we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect company"
mircea_popescu: do you comprehend the problems of creating brand identity over 100 geographicallyh disparate items ?
Drew: if the brand identity was rooted in quality live music of a few main genres, and the acts were tailored by city for maximum effect, what brand identity problems would you be mainly speaking of/
mircea_popescu: see, a good chunk of mcdonald's corporate expenditure goes to making sure that mcdonalds hamburgers are the same in atlanta and lincoln
mircea_popescu: similarly with coca cola, and all large consumer product brands that use local anything
mircea_popescu: to have a brand, you have to manage localisation issues.
mircea_popescu: neither insulting the locals, nor allowing them to dilute you into nothing
mircea_popescu: this is an extremely complex, difficult and resource intensive endeavour.
mircea_popescu: you're setting yourself for this task of herding 100 cats, and THIS is why nobody else is doing it.
Drew: but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida
mircea_popescu: you see, "We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand." is no guarantee of success.
mircea_popescu: sometimes there are reasons nobody else is cooking by holding the stove on their head.
Drew: im still following and agreeing with all of your logic
mircea_popescu: but your answers to this problem will have to be much much better than merely not appearing like you ever heard of it.
Drew: but sometimes there is no good reason why no one has figured out how to use a stove yet, if we go back in time to that point
Drew: you forgot to add 'one' after the 1 there :)
Drew: mircea i really do appreciate you taking your time to speak with me about this
BingoBoingo: Panera might be a good case in localization issues to read up on
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo about half the case studies in us business school are actually this or applications of it, if memory serves.
Drew: panera bread bingo?
mircea_popescu: perhaps excusable on the grounds that few higher level thinkers end up in busienss school
Drew: i went to a few years of aerospace engineering at Auburn University
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So I've heard. I'm just thinking of a local venture that has run into the localization issue hard as it expanded
mircea_popescu: airbnb to this day doesn't realise that it's much more successful in canada than in the us, or why.
Drew: decided rapidly that a field with a glass ceiling of earnings proportional to achievement was not for me
Drew: decided to open my own business
mircea_popescu: Drew the problem of not having completed formal education is that you don't end up with a structured thinking process. this is not so bad for people like engineers, who don't really need it quite to the degree, but you're trying to go into business.
mircea_popescu: of course, the us college hasn't been giving people thinking tools in 50 years, but anyway.
Drew: i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process
Drew: do you not think so/
mircea_popescu: casual examination would indicate otherwise, but hey. you're a millenial aren't you ? got plenty of time.
Drew: well i'm glad there is hope for me yet
Duffer1: you found your way here, that's no small thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, so run me through your expense structure. you need 1.25mn (exactly), which is to cover what ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know romanian citizenship requires you to know... official romanian history ?
mircea_popescu: which differs in unexpected places from commonly accepted history, of course.
Drew: mircea honestly if you are willing i would love to shoot you over the complete financials to check out
Drew: i understand if you dont, but it would be much more effective than me trying to explain it all
Drew: why do i think that it would be more effective?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not quite to the degree, but god help you if you seem to think there's no such thing as "thracians", as distinct from whatever sarmatian cloud
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the words of romania's first 3rd republic president, "we come from the ducks that come from the trucks"
Drew: because it is spread out over a 5 year period, 20 pages of excel
ozbot: Iliescu si engleza - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2538 @ 0.0008544 = 2.1685 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: AltCoin Alert: Western Union Obtains Alternative Currency Exchange System Patent from USPTO
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dangit it's gone. somehow that clip got edited a little.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy explained romanian ethnogenesis in those terms. he meant dacians and thracians, not that that version'd have been any more sensible.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too.
ozbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suppose that's what I'll have to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you seen the earlier bit about the php/objective-c key mismatch issue ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004332 = 0.4332 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so you know, gotta have some mechanism to force people to not be retarded
ozbot: Your Android phone viewed illegal porn. To unlock it, pay a $300 fine | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: but sometiems one wonders how much of this malware serves a useful government function.
mircea_popescu: they change about every 2 years, which consequently is the experimental period of law enforcing
mircea_popescu: currently paysafecard is going up and ukash is going out
mircea_popescu: coupla years ago ukash was just taking over from... i forgot who
mircea_popescu: people keep "everything they have" in reach of the government, and i nreach of a woman they met two weeks ago while drunk, and so on.
mircea_popescu: people are poor, and while the little they own is still all they own, the security they can feasibly deploy is nil
mircea_popescu: think of it this way : most women alive today can not afford to enforce the privacy of a room to fuck in.
mircea_popescu: so they either do it in the bushes, with the constant risk of a stray dog taking a piss on the couple during,
mircea_popescu: or else they put up with whatever nonsensical demands expectations and assorted nonsense someone with a chicken coop available may wish to put forward.
mircea_popescu: no, just, innocent of the resources to get a spare disk.
mircea_popescu: "It is likely that the success of LZW and its thousands of implementations, especially among small developers, caught Unisys unprepared. Otherwise, it would be difficult to understand how Unisys could first allow a very large number of small and big developers to use LZW for years, and then, after the establishment of various standards based on LZW, change its attitude."
mircea_popescu: yeah, seriously, it is so very difficult to understand. couldn't have even predicted it, either. o.O
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mircea_popescu: this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy!
☟︎ Drew: sorry, had to grab a shower
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform frame the question better : you've not had any decent sleep in a week, you gotta make it in time to work cause else it's your ass.
Drew: the 1.25 million would, in summary, be used for the following over approximately 3 of the 5 years mentioned for the plan
mircea_popescu: and if you get fired you'll lose the apt and thus the deposit and thus homeless.
mircea_popescu: now tell me about getting spare drives. when ? with what ?
mircea_popescu: if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel.
☟︎ Drew: talent buying, venue rentals, sound / lighting equipment, staffing, security, other event related costs
Drew: much of it on advertising and promotion materials and in general
Drew: in all likelihood we won't need the whole 1.25 million but there is a cushion of about 300,000 built in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically it boils down to, your sorting algorithm of evil not matching theirs.
mircea_popescu: Drew that was the shittiest summary in recorded history. try again.
mircea_popescu: 'm like pavlov's dog over here punkman, i see your name i expect great links.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well that's my pov. i mostly care about, interact with and experience the world through womenz.
Drew: that made me laugh pretty hard i must say
punkman: "Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills! And really big on Facebook. That’s Favela Chic."
punkman: "You lost everything, you have no money, you have no career, you have no health insurance, you’re not even sure where you live, you don’t have children, and you have no steady relationship or any set of dependable friends. And it’s hot. It’s a really cool place to be. "
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls
mircea_popescu: punkman favela if memory serves is the precarious squatting living arrangements most south america enjoys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43255 = 0.8651 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 898 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.0148% in 5d 17h 30m 56s
mircea_popescu wonders wtf TheNewDeal is. then has dejavu moment. then remembers it's testing123.
TheNewDeal: are you saying testing123 is more memorable?
gribble: Current Blocks: 299485 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8647989715.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.08809
mike_c: gribble and oz differ by a whole day on diff change
mike_c: yet same estimated change
mircea_popescu: "I really would like you to contrast that with what you have to do with HTML on the Internet. " asciilifeform re your article, god help us if we end up executing code off the data
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no im just saying switching nicks is a very expensive operation for everyone else
assbot: Voicing drew for 30 minutes.
mike_c: yeah, no way 4 days 16 hours
mike_c: is nanotube responsible for that?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> why portland and not boston ? << generally there is only one reason to locate in portland and that is low-cost 'engineering' talent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now as far as programmable gpus go, o boy would computer games love thids
mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno, that's why the producers hire research depts yo uknow ? not my jobsworth :D
TheNewDeal: ... re god help us if we end up executing code off the data
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "Let the trolls try to collect danegeld from a hundred million consumers!" << this may be dangerous, in that putting too much weight on something "that will hold anything" never works. like you know, 19th century poliution and the ideas of "send fumes in the air, it can take anything" or "water will wash anyhing away"
mircea_popescu: maybe with too many incentives stacked up, they'll figure out a way to do it, and that'll be a horror worse than any other.
mircea_popescu: already working on it in the us to a distasteful degree.
benkay: <Drew> but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida << the tastes and social mores differ wildly across the different regions. f'r instance, you'll have a mighty hard time displacing red cube in portland (but again don't ever do anything in this town)
Drew: Cost of Goods Sold Artists463,350 Marketing184,600 Production92,300 Security46,150 Ticket Fee20,470 Venue52,775 Other0 Cost of Goods Sold859,645 Gross Profit (Loss)778,133
☟︎ Drew: this format doesnt transfer well, that was a test, brb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.44992636 = 7.1988 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: <Drew> i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process << hang out here and you might be so lucky as to have one beaten into you
mircea_popescu: can you believe, dear assets, that the ticket mafia gypped him for almost 40% of the rent of the venue ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4499555 = 0.8999 BTC [+]
Drew: one day i would like to see a bitcoin ticketing platform
Drew: free of ticket fees....
mircea_popescu: anyway. this actually looks like a sane budget. who made it ?
Drew: looking forward to it
Drew: one of my team members
Drew: 20 pages of sane financials like that
mike_c: asciilifeform: does the soldier survive? it's not a kamikaze thing is it?
Drew: or whatever, internet anonymity reigns
benkay: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too. << bitcoin cares about patents today?!
mike_c: ok. so the 'suicide' part is that you have to get within a pole's length of the tank :)
mircea_popescu: Drew alright. see, now you're sounding a lot less like dank.
mike_c: penetrate 6 inches of steel, must be quite a charge
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all for me. see you ~guys~ in the morning.
Drew: thanks very much for your input, it was a pleasure meeting you
Drew: e- meeting you at least
Drew: i'll prolly be lurking around here trying to have a structured way of thinking beaten into me eventually
Drew: ill be back here for advice almost certainly
Drew: theres no time like the present
benkay: ping me if you get into trouble.
Drew: is it as easy as /ping benkay
benkay: don't register until you've blown it away and restored it from backup at least twice.
benkay: well, you can't talk in here
benkay: /msg benkay yourmessage
benkay: or /query benkay for conversation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012955 = 0.2591 BTC [+]
benkay: if i don't respond within fifteen minutes i'm offline.
Drew: does query open a private convo/
Drew: thanks very much, ill save that and check it out tomorrow
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27254 @ 0.0008544 = 23.2858 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: didn't think those were possible any more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0314001 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
peterl: change in mpex price is just mircea_popescu having fun messing with the people trying to daytrade his stock
peterl: or shaking out the weak hands before he pumps the price up again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0694779 = 0.139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069478 = 0.139 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Could be a reduction in enthusiasm due to lack of MPEX chatter in mainstream press and X.eur and F.MPIF having whet the appetite for new listings
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00325487 / 0.00325754 / 0.00328679 (1194 shares, 3.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00294249 / 0.00320948 / 0.00328679 (1981 shares, 6.36 BTC)
peterl: hmm, not a real hot seller, I don't think that is where the mpoe action is going
peterl: if you buy it, you can trade the shares for euros on bitcoincentral, I think?
TheNewDeal: new to reading these types of documents. Has taken me MANY glances to understand the gist of that
TheNewDeal: sad part... it's quiet very straightforward
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.068956 = 1.3791 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: "AML regulations are meant to stop drug cartels and terrorists from using banks to conduct criminal activity. But the strict interpretation of those rules may be causing inadvertent harm to people in Somalia — a war-torn country where large numbers of people depend on money transfers from friends and relatives abroad to cover their basic needs."
ozbot: A Modest Attempt to Ease AML Rules Side Effects - Bank Think Article - American Banker
bitcoinpete: "As it stands, banks fear being held liable if funds sent through money transmitters reach terrorist organizations or other criminal groups. In one such case, two Somali-American women were found guilty of sending money transfers to the terrorist organization al Shabaab."
bitcoinpete: “Spill response and clean-up creates business and employment opportunities for affected communities, regions, and cleanup service providers.” <<true enough. the gdp-based economy is the car accident economy, which is exactly why bitcoin is so important
ozbot: Kinder Morgan clarifies embarrassing oil spill benefits comments | Financial Post
peterl: let's break a bunch of windows and pay people to fix them!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.068956 = 0.9654 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: peterl: and make insurance claims! and call ambulances and police to the scene!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.068956 = 4.4132 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: benkay: mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano <<say whaaat? colour me curious
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.004332 = 0.8317 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less
Duffer1: it was an interesting lesson, drew took it well
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: I'm a poor gambler, and don't know enough about it to make a commitment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085699 = 5.3133 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology <- last time I suggested I got shot down:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#653313 ☝︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0071769 = 0.1435 BTC [+]
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I feel like I missed the action :-P
TheNewDeal: purpose of sale is to lock in profits, open up bitcoin for future wagers
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: it is looking pretty darn sure… i'll mull it over for a day and let you know
TheNewDeal: sounds good. ill keep the offer of 24000 timeweight open for the morrow
ozbot: General Dynamics gets contract to build 12 advanced main battle tanks with digital vetronics - Milit
bitcoinpete: and with that, i bid ye adieu and bon soir
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is! <- quick! someone tell MRKLYE!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.068956 = 0.3448 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing frankenmint for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: frankenmint: missed your question in #litecoinmining the other day
fluffypony: I get the feeling that the only people buying GPU rigs atm are people who want to buy them cheaply
fluffypony: whereas individual components are more in demand among gamers etc.
frankenmint: yea which means cutting corners, some hardware hosting folks I talked to mentioned that large private mining clients want barebones power to setup their own rigs and cooling
fluffypony: have you considered renting it out on betarigs or whatever that sight is?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: pineapples
frankenmint: hmm thanks for sharing that wow I'm checking it out
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assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
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assbot: Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.
DrewHorne: How are you fine gentlemen and ladies doing this morning
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @izakaminska @Frances_Coppola ...
jurov: DrewHorne: fine, thanks. you're the festival organizer?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: lol, I read that as "cautious renters" and I was like "how does this relate to people who rent?"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the socialist state in its final decomposition stages has identified the enemies of the people : savers and owners.
mircea_popescu: the burgeoisie, god damned them, keep making it impossible for the working man to find toilet paper in the store.
mircea_popescu: in spite of the government having clearly made a rule that there should be toilet paper!
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, venezuela is also a federal republic. only... 30ish years more advanced than the us
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, listen to this sad story : the mother of a friend, who has been a nurse all her life, 20+ years, and who is actually a very good nurse, and who's got a back injury from lifting people in wheelchair up to busses and so on, has been trying for the past 6 months to get a job.
mircea_popescu: because "the recession is over", yet people with valuable experience and qualifications are looking for work. this somehow makes sense.
mircea_popescu: the best she could find was this deal where she took ~12 hours' worth of examinations, and they got her a thing for 3 hours / week.
mircea_popescu: couldn't pay for my fucking coffee. not all the coffee i drink in a week, either, just, one time.
mircea_popescu: this is probably also the fault of the rentiers and savers.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "Adding a picture" ? that article is kinda silly.
mircea_popescu: the curse of being born in the best country in the world, a few decades before it became the best country in the world.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if she speaks English, why doesn't she look at the TEFL stuff and similar? I have a friend in Cape Town who teaches English via Skype to foreigners, she doesn't have to speak a foreign language, just has to be able to speak English
mircea_popescu: well yes she speaks english, she was born in texas or something, i forget.
mircea_popescu: and you know, soime people want to do a certain thing.
mircea_popescu: now granted, if the thing they want to do is i dunno, watch tv, then one could say "how about you do this instead".
mircea_popescu: i don't think there ever existed or could ever exist a functioning society in which nursing jobs are to be discounted because too little demand and too many people wanting to do it.
mircea_popescu: by the way, that's actually quite ancient chinese stuff.
mircea_popescu: "if the cake is tasty we should be together", prolly older than the wheel.
mircea_popescu: course, it used to be made by the girl in question, but hey. "if the cake is tasty, maybe we should come to this place more often"
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mpex drop? << yeah it like, plunged a few days ago. it actually does this, probably to mess with mike trying to understand the news impact.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: how does it get executed << euro future, settles 15th of each month, can be delivered as euros on bitcoin central.
mircea_popescu: the magnificent assets have any suggestion as to what i should say to the redditard next ?
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: tell him you have sekrit NSA dokumintz proving it
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less << someone should sometime do a comparative study of how noobs fare in here.
mircea_popescu: i tell you it's not my mood, that'd be like saying the girl was horny. no, no, it was in your approach, not in her horniness i tell you! he somehow, improbably, managed to whistle into the modem.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you didn't get shot down ? i supported it, what did you think "fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business." meant ?
fluffypony: huh? I got shot down when I suggested that we get someone part-time to sift through logs and make an ongoing anthology?
fluffypony: "asciilifeform:fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?"
fluffypony: true, I somehow glossed over that comment
mircea_popescu: well so in that case don't oppose what he said to me eh!
fluffypony: when I get some time I may actually go hunting for someone to do that
fluffypony: get them started from like 12 months ago in the logs
fluffypony: won't they lack context if they do that?
mircea_popescu: they would be building context in the way of the noob, rather than i nthe way of the sacred cow.
mircea_popescu: this thing you're making, it's intended to satisfy the needs of noobs, right ?
mircea_popescu: you're not trying tro get me to pay for access in order to shake my head
fluffypony: yes - to satisfy the noobs and if correctly tagged and annotated it's a searchable repository of information
mircea_popescu: cool. so then it should build context from present day through archeological remains,
mircea_popescu: it's speaking to contemporaries not to people long gone
chetty: just no libtard historical rewrites - pls
mircea_popescu: yeah. unlike a historian, it has the invaluable advantage that people present in the deepest strata of history are still around today, and they can say either "ah, that one point is fucking stupid, forget it" or the contrary.
mircea_popescu: the lack of which is the worst problem of history, because you never quite know for sure just how important this particular bit of nonsense really is
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this could be a phd thesis for a history student in a good uni.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there could be a better one, should get magna.
pankkake: I wonder how history will work in the future. You used to have not enough data, now you have too much
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any of you is fucking a history major on the side... maybe it's time for her phd.
mircea_popescu: at any rate it'd be proper scholarship, rather than the current courtois-type nonsense.
fluffypony: what's the rationale behind investors getting voting rights if they cumulatively own like 10% or 20% of a company? doesn't that seem redundant?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: getting pushback from 1 person who can't understand why we aren't giving VertPay investors voting rights
fluffypony: and I'm trying to understand why it's so important to them
mircea_popescu: voting rights are nonsense in bitcoin anyway. what the fuck are they going to do, get a confederatied majority and... what, oust you ? take over ?
mircea_popescu: voting rights made sense in the old days of geographically fixed agents and material means of production. that situation changed.
mircea_popescu: immaterial means of production and geographically dispersed agents reduces the corporate voting to meaninglessness. not that it worked too well pre bitcoin, either.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you read the original thread of the sdice listing, the same sort of derpage was raised by the losers vocal there. amoing a pile of other "good and considered" reasons not to invest.
mircea_popescu: history has shown that their opinions weren't worth holding.
chetty: buying stock should indicate confidence in management, sell is lack of such - what better votes are there?
mircea_popescu: chetty exactly. but in the old days of imperfect economy, people actually had to have a backchannel, and take over the tractor or whatever it was
mircea_popescu: because you couldn't afford to let a physical tractor go to waste, as a society.
pankkake: I like the point where you'd have to trust other shareholder's opinions. I certainly wouldn't want that
mircea_popescu: at the very most tyhe management could solicit nonbinding opinions from holders, there's a mpex mechanism for doing this embedded in some listing agreements,
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mircea_popescu: DrewHorne im really not interested in carrying private conversations. we don't know each other, we have nothing private to discuss.
DrewHorne: thats fine, it was my only option as a voiceless
DrewHorne: how do i check my trust with gribble? i saw that yall were checking me on it last night, that basically checks with gribble on the wot correct?
fluffypony: pankkake: yeah - to a large degree, investors don't *necessarily* have the knowledge to be in the space the business is operating in (otherwise they'd be in the space), so they're just proffering an opinion
DrewHorne: so thats basically saying that i am now registered on the wot but i have 0 trust thus far
gribble: Nick 'DrewHorne', with hostmask 'DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com', is identified as user 'DrewHorne', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1ESdGLk9MR5mAghLAn5R3419tvmj2FvFMB
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne anyway, a good step forward, now people could rate you.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that rated since is about my rating, not generally.
DrewHorne: successful morning for someone not well versed in the bitcoin space, im a fast learner
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mircea_popescu: so either gribble actually keeps track of the oldest rating oyu ever got and someone modified their oct 15th rating
fluffypony: you mean like someone forgot to * 1000 ?
pankkake: it's too bad that you only see the last update of a rating. I feel like it has value to know when it appeared first
DrewHorne: so where do i go lurk for something to successfully do to get rated and earn trust?
HeySteve: or check the blockchain, pankkake :)
pankkake: not very practical, when you just want to look at someone's ratings
pankkake: "oh, these guys have known each other for years" - that info
fluffypony: pankkake: I suppose you could talk to the rater and ask them?
mircea_popescu: pankkake it does have a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant to update very old ratings, and just let them be "good enough"
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne you can read the logs of this chan. ocasionally things pop up for people to do.
pankkake: 1) I'm an assburger 2) but I would rather talk to the ones with the oldest initial rating, anyway
mircea_popescu: like above the history phd bit. obviously useless to you, as youre no historian by trade, but we are a diverse bucnh with diverse needs.
mircea_popescu: pankkake course the canonical way around is to just ask the rater. he can tell you how far back the relationship goes
DrewHorne: the first thing that popped out from the log was "mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology"
DrewHorne: i guess i missed the convo on beating small children
mircea_popescu: something not necessarily covered by wot anyway yet, as some people rated each other in 2011 might have known each other since 2001
HeySteve: how beneficial would a permanent record of such trust relationships be?
DrewHorne: ok so seriously though how is the best way to sort though all of this for an actual task rather than just read all of yalls entertaining multifaceted chat
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne kinda what we're trying to work out atm. there is a wiki, but not too fleshed out yet
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, for what purposes is it valuable would you say?
DrewHorne: seems like there would be a way to archive tasks?
DrewHorne: and then just visit the archive and look through different catalogs?
fluffypony: DrewHorne: you may want to check the bitcoin-otc order book
fluffypony: sometimes there are things in there as well
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, Austrian economic theory mostly
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DrewHorne: seems to be more of a buy/sell log
DrewHorne: are there actually services / tasks requested of people on here?
fluffypony: DrewHorne: not really in any centralised/managed fashion, this isn't a /r/jobs4bitcoins :-P
DrewHorne: well trust is gained from any successful bitcoin transaction in which someone feels fit to rate you, correct?
DrewHorne: so i could earn trust by either performing a task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying them immediately and correctly
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, yes I've read that
pankkake: lol TrustSharesIPO__ / TrustSharesIPO spamming the order book
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, so this then creates a more comprehensive gazette?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve so in those terms, it's valuable for enforcing the point 2, permanence.
HeySteve: right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement
mircea_popescu: indeed, adding a history of past ratings would be a good idea.
DrewHorne: be back later, yall have a good one
mircea_popescu ponders that DrewPistols would be a pretty decent stripper name.
DrewHorne: where do you think i get my money from?
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, now it's not wywialm, but he says "thank you" :)
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ThickAsThieves: <+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain?
chetty: fixing things which are not broken is a serious disease, and its contagious
ThickAsThieves: I dont think it's hard to argue that the current WoT could be improved
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ThickAsThieves: pankakke's concern being one i also share, lack of historical ratings
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ThickAsThieves: not that this is a 'problem' but i'd also like to see a way to rate entities which haven't registered in the WoT yet
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if this could be managed by an independent part
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davout: ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea
ThickAsThieves: you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves?
kakobrekla: fluffypony theres a chan on freenode which prints all changes
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> since when do criminals register for such themselves?// great point!!
HeySteve: I can see the value of rating unregistered entities
HeySteve: but there are problems :) they'd have to be clearly identified as proxies
HeySteve: it may be best to think of them as placeholder ratings which the entities can later assume once validated
punkman: well "entities" brings that kind of thing to mind
davout: ThickAsThieves: if i wanted to argue the opposite i'd say criminals that aren't in the wot weren't part of the economy in the first place, so that would be a non-issue
fluffypony: an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity
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fluffypony: which is why opt-in registration is important
fluffypony: the minute you allow the rating of unidentified individuals you take identity out of it
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity <- I disagree. someone doesn't have to know your real name to trade with you based on ratings
ThickAsThieves: opt-in registeration being easy and clean does not make unregistered identity handling unimportant
mircea_popescu: <davout> ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea << i don't think it is.
HeySteve: fluffypony, ok sure, just clarifying your meaning
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves? << since forever. read up on "peine forte et dure" ?
ThickAsThieves: it is whether it makes sense for it to be a requirement
HeySteve: the question then becomes who would hold the keys to the placeholder identity? seeing as that identity will also be able to rate people. so what happens if "PayPal" downvotes you?
mircea_popescu: but you askled "since when", when in point of fact it was always the case. only recently have courst strayed into this heresy that they have authority to judge over unwilling participants.
ThickAsThieves: so a roaming criminal never gets jailed cuz he doesnt recognize the authority?
ThickAsThieves: i suppose there is a more broken up punishment gazette, the blogosphere and forums etc
chetty: I suppose the whole internet functions as a punishment gazette
mircea_popescu: this is the problem : clueless people are trying to mix forum into pg.
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HeySteve: another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas
mircea_popescu: anyweay davout's argument is souind : if they had no wot they were not part of the economy in the first place.
chetty: deal with something not on the wot at your own risk
mircea_popescu: force them to wot as part and parcel of doing business with them, know that their refusal to comply means they're scammers.
fluffypony: Drew: [15:27:46] NaruFGT-phone: Looking for some quick help configuring sendmail, will pay BTC
HeySteve: I'm thinking there's a whole raft of WoT-related improvements only possible with some degree of hierarchial organisation
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so then... they aren't part of the economy. lol
HeySteve: trusted nodes are appointed that can do things like register placeholder identities
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is like saying women that don't have sex are part of the dating market, just not my elitist subsection of it
mircea_popescu: next youi're going to claim the us is part of human culture, just, not the elitist part of it.
davout: chetty: deal with something on the wot at your own risk too!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves are people who will sell you a house/car but not sign a contract also part of the real estate/car markets
ThickAsThieves: surely there are people that dont know about or how to WoT, they we trust to be in our ecomonic sphere
mircea_popescu: all purported economic activity that's not taking place between wot registered identities is deffective. if only one wot identity is involved, the whoile thing is in no substantial manner different from the medieval relations between peon and his lord.
mircea_popescu: if no wot identity is involved, the thing's irrelevant economically, might as well be two somalis trading cowries
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, what if to send Bitcoin to a WoT-registered party cost less in transaction fees than sending it to someone unregistered?
HeySteve: yes, but what's the specific objection?
Apocalyptic: " is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades"
Apocalyptic: since when is the scope "recording Bitcoin trades" only ?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but it hasn't been purely for -otc since gribble first appeared on a non -otc channel
HeySteve: Apocalyptic, fair enough it's a fuzzier boundary
Apocalyptic: mircea, <HeySteve> another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas
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mircea_popescu: HeySteve i think you misconstrue the scope of the wot.
HeySteve: perhaps Bitcoin trade, no S would have been nearer the mark
ThickAsThieves: ok, now i did mention this metaWoT being handled by an independent party
ThickAsThieves: couldnt it just be a separate WoT that had one real WoT account for integration?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve not that narrow. the wot holds all trust in human society. all of it.
mircea_popescu: soon enough political office will be decided simply by wots.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, in theory but in practical usage today, it's mostly for the Bitcoin community
mircea_popescu: to a large degree it already is, in the offices that matter anyway.
Naphex: WoT was around before gribble as well
mircea_popescu: nobody;'s fault the rest of the bipedals aren't human.
Naphex: i remember crypto channels, with WoT auth
HeySteve: well, I was discussing the failings of democracy elsewhere as it's SA election day today
mircea_popescu: it's been the curse of the humancondition, this, for most times and places most bipedal life forms were bios rather than zoon
mircea_popescu: Naphex definitely. gribble is just an incremental improvement.
HeySteve: <DinoSaw> people's influence should rise and fall in accordance with their reputation, based on their recent actions
HeySteve: <DinoSaw> not vote for them today, giving them free reign to break their promises and do wtf they like / get paid to do for the next X years
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HeySteve: I agree it has great application to politics, yet I still don't see why incentivising people to join the WoT is bad
mircea_popescu: HeySteve do you see why incentivising people to marry is bad ?
mircea_popescu: for it to be bad, it suffices that there is one case where it's bad.
HeySteve: maybe the country is low on population growth for eg
HeySteve: it's about leading individuals to choices you consider to be in their best interest
HeySteve: like raising taxes on cigarettes
ThickAsThieves: one day you invent the coupon, 20 years later you have an economy bent on quantity over quality
mircea_popescu: this is what bitcoin is here to do : make it impossible for pompous assholes to raise taxes on cigarettes.
HeySteve: what is society agrees cigarettes are bad?
Naphex: what about second hand mambo jambo?:p
mircea_popescu: what about my firm conviction that you should go around naked ?
HeySteve: well, there is a collective good. individuals function within social boundaries
davout: "2nd hand textillic retinopathy" <<< nice
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mircea_popescu: hugely compelx anthropotopic, this. and i am not actually arguing against clothes per se
HeySteve: hmm well, in the context I propose incentivising certain behaviours and taxing others, there is no central authority doing it. there is the code which people are free to use
mircea_popescu: merely pointing out how easily dysfunctional this "common good" argument is.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the only reason i comment is because you seemed to want to know why i wouldn't use it.
HeySteve: thus the argument against central authority is less meaningful. there are rules individuals agree to abide by
HeySteve: I understand, I am looking more for an economic reason why doing things that way leads to failure
ThickAsThieves: discounting as a method is always a poor method of marketing
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're doing great covnersation : someone should write an essay on the possibility - in principle - of distinguishing between "common good" and "groupthink". writer out criteria, give me a method, break that shit up.
HeySteve: certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour which is harmful to the society
mircea_popescu: HeySteve "certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour."
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HeySteve: :D well here we don't quite agree, but yes it's a good debate to have
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves technically his could have been correct
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Dimsler: someone put a pic up of my house on google images
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ThickAsThieves: "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable
nanotube: fluffypony: you pinged, what's up?
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fluffypony: nanotube: I was looking at gribbles db
fluffypony: nanotube: why don't you insert ratings into the table instead of updating them, and then just use a subquery to group by rated_user_id / rater_user_id when getting data?
fluffypony: we're struggling with the lack of historical ratings when people change ratings
punkman: I remember seeing a link for dowloading the data in bulk on -otc.com, was it deprecated?
nanotube: well, i have logs... but i didn't think it would be useful to bloat the db with historical crud.
fluffypony: nanotube: ok then why not shift historical ratings into an archived rating table? that way the main ratings table doesn't bloat, but the historical data is still around
HeySteve: spamming changes could bloat the archive, it might be good to have a time limit or cost
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nanotube: well it's not a bad idea generally speaking, just isn't how it happens presently. :)
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves, davout: why not? what's the use-case for multiple changes a day?
davout: fluffypony: also you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist
fluffypony: nanotube: if I get a bit of time I can make the changes and submit a PR?
Apocalyptic: it's already rate-limited as commands to gribble
ThickAsThieves: if db bloat is a real problem, then treat it like backups, 1 yearly, 1 monthly, 1 weekly, 1 daily
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HeySteve: imposing costs for certain actions turns the WoT into something of a business, I'd favour that way to limit spam
HeySteve: the problem is imposing costs means you have to set costs, meaning you can't avoid (dis)incentivisation
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: well atm the db is 3mb, so I don't see it growing massively - double-ish that size if every single rating was updated:-P
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable << this is what the contemporary thinks.
ThickAsThieves: basically the WoT is to be thought of as the very incentive itself
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: but then we're back to what davout said, solving a problem that doesn't exist
nanotube: fluffypony: well, we'd have to discuss the details of implementation first... and whether it's worth it at all. what exactly is the source of your need for historical data?
fluffypony: nanotube: reference material + pankkake's laziness
davout: ThickAsThieves: well, then why would it need solving ?
ThickAsThieves: it's seeing if we can practically have access to more info
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artifexd: Publicly accessible/searchable logs of #bitcoin-otc-ratings would suffice
nanotube: haha well, doesn't sound like a great reason :P. but yea anyone's welcome to join -otc-ratings and log.
fluffypony: what if ratings changes were added to ;;events then?
ThickAsThieves: nanotube, what if you just post a file of the historical log
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know sooner or later you'll have to make the plunge and learn how to make a bot
mircea_popescu: this helps keep gribble honest, what if it later decides to lie ?
ThickAsThieves: so if gribble is doing it, you know it hasnt missed anything
ThickAsThieves: if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log // he has a point
chetty: well sun may not rise in the morning, got to stop doubt somewhere
nubbins`: not bad! busy in the studio these days
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, with logs available it's pretty recoverable. trust required however
ThickAsThieves: what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings
HeySteve: yeah that's what I mean, we must trust nanotube and gribble
HeySteve: and various links in how those key parts function
fluffypony: nubbins`: is that for trimming the edges off a stack of magazines/posters/whatever?
nubbins`: yep, will cut 200 pages at once
ThickAsThieves: do you prefer manual over electric, or just saving money?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there was this guy tryhing to get a music festival going earlier.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings << we got teh logs ?
ThickAsThieves: i suppose not, assuming they are logged by several trustworthy parties
mircea_popescu: trust, but verify is also why eventual consistency is so deeply buried at the root of practical business.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` need to talk more about invoices etc. etc. been lazy recently gimme a ping when you aren't busy
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fluffypony: will that break compatibility with the existing WoT?
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fluffypony: like is compatibility a goal at all, for eg.
mircea_popescu: because im not happy with the The contract operationalizes the trust values in a currency-neutral
mircea_popescu: way, by making the values of 0-100 mean "percent of current world GDP
pigeons: no i dont read paywalled sites ;)
pigeons: but yeah good point that is pretty weird metric
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nanotube: re centralization and trust: yes each rating ideally would be signed. (todo list...)
nanotube: re currency neutral trust measure: if you have anything else to suggest... i'd be happy to hear alternatives
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 54 seconds
artifexd: Apocalyptic: Does Crypton keep logs?
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davout: "yes each rating ideally would be signed." <<< this
artifexd: Would you be willing to share? Specifically the logs from #bitcoin-otc-ratings.
Apocalyptic: It hasn't been logging for very long though
mircea_popescu: nanotube "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer’s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."
artifexd: How long has it been keeping logs?
mircea_popescu: pigeons if you mostly don't read it you can pretend like it's not paywalled.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989895 = 1.3797 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.072 = 0.576 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: yw, also there was some periods of downtime, so don't expect an exhaustive log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53171 @ 0.00085534 = 45.4793 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 1260 @ 0.038 = 47.88 BTC {9}
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves money is the concern atm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4538 @ 0.038 = 172.444 BTC {50}
nubbins`: we won't be doing a huge amount of cutting, so a ~$1k manual cutter is more sensible than a $6-10k electric
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 2001 @ 0.038 = 76.038 BTC {30}
nubbins`: mircea_popescu a bitcoin music festival?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 402 @ 0.038 = 15.276 BTC {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.07318227 = 4.2446 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 230 @ 0.038 = 8.74 BTC {7}
nubbins`: "out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 86 @ 0.038 = 3.268 BTC {8}
mircea_popescu: like you know, 14 yo indian woman raped daily is a milennial too.
nubbins`: sweet, let's get 2bn chinese and pakistani kids together and throw a rave
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.038 = 3.61 BTC {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.071 = 2.13 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0633775 = 0.2535 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0332001 = 0.332 BTC [+]
nubbins`: rent in gangnam is like $10k/sqft
nubbins`: bbl building a $1bn techno empire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03306806 = 0.2976 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 38 @ 0.038 = 1.444 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.038 = 0.912 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 161 @ 0.038 = 6.118 BTC {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012583 = 0.1258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 227 @ 0.038 = 8.626 BTC {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700001 = 0.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.038 = 1.9 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0700001 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 210 @ 0.038 = 7.98 BTC {5}
ozbot: Saskatchewan Mining Company Hit with Cease Trade Order | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.038 = 0.76 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.07 = 4.48 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.038 = 4.446 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0700001 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 208 @ 0.038 = 7.904 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.038 = 0.456 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07156246 = 0.5725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 134 @ 0.00086211 = 0.1155 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 108 @ 0.038 = 4.104 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0700001 = 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.038 = 0.532 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 155 @ 0.038 = 5.89 BTC {5}
mircea_popescu: canada trying hard to make sure it won't exist in the future huh.
mircea_popescu: "Susan’s interest in crypto currency flows naturally from her abiding love of social media, the Internet and the environment."
mircea_popescu: the things these people imagine to constitute natural flow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03399998 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.038 = 0.494 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07451354 = 1.6393 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [-]
ozbot: The Biggest Douchebag On Vine - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28460 @ 0.00085656 = 24.3777 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: splendid document of what the absolutely normal teenager is, does, and looks like.
chetty: gubermint saying they failed to pay proper vigoresh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Check out the #nigger : ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: thestringpuller: it's PETA's scrypt farm, they apparently have access to chipz
mircea_popescu: i figured better not, seeing how you never know when it shows up on your sm profile :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000021 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020021 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.9842 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.0395 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.0395 = 1.5405 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: morning, thestringpuller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44020005 = 0.8804 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 241 @ 0.0395 = 9.5195 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44001011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0395 = 0.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.006011 = 0.1202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 750 @ 0.000515 = 0.3863 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07479105 = 0.374 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 222 @ 0.00423001 = 0.9391 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0339 = 0.5085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 45 @ 0.0395 = 1.7775 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2330 @ 0.00017237 = 0.4016 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1765 @ 0.00018028 = 0.3182 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.006011 = 0.1383 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4484 @ 0.00020766 = 0.9311 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 135 @ 0.00601 = 0.8114 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700101 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0395 = 0.869 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15580 @ 0.00085502 = 13.3212 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [+]
ozbot: URME SURVEILLANCE: Developing Devices to Protect the Public | Indiegogo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.0395 = 0.2765 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330504 = 0.1653 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.0395 = 1.3825 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03177155 = 0.2859 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.04015217 = 0.9235 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989793 = 1.3797 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.07474997 = 1.4202 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07479333 = 0.4488 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0748 = 0.1496 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.041 = 1.066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 261 @ 0.0395 = 10.3095 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Investor Alert: Bitcoin and Other Virtual Currency-Related Investments | Investor.gov
assbot: Voicing aabtc for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004201 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0071198 = 0.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.0395 = 1.9355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.45990908 = 4.5991 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70375084 BTC to 8`603 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.0395 = 2.3305 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315001 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7366 @ 0.00085576 = 6.3035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.0395 = 4.9375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 130 @ 0.0395 = 5.135 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 385 @ 0.00419032 = 1.6133 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0319888 = 0.2879 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Baltimore police complaint hotline number connects callers to adult chat line - baltimoresun.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00085679 = 14.7368 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339 = 0.1695 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.4599999 = 1.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074297 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074297 = 0.2229 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03366061 = 0.3366 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.0395 = 1.975 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 127 @ 0.0395 = 5.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03150009 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5827 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03146874 = 0.2517 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.031775 = 0.1271 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03361343 = 0.3025 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00416111 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0319 = 0.2233 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03380761 = 0.4395 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00425705 = 0.1064 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 46 @ 0.0395 = 1.817 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 183 @ 0.0395 = 7.2285 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.03338325 = 0.9347 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: oh god that vine wigga :/ it's torture
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6485 @ 0.0395 = 256.1575 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07112491 = 0.3556 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07112501 = 0.4268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2272 @ 0.00012054 = 0.2739 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1538 @ 0.00085115 = 1.3091 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07114634 = 2.4901 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.0395 = 2.4885 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: 18:40:56 <+mircea_popescu> decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon << in english: when there is only one consonant in-between two vowels, the first vowel becomes "long" (usually).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Americans say "toona" instead of "tyoon-a"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 61 @ 0.0395 = 2.4095 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: i just installed openbsd with a flash-drive, onto another flash-drive; so far this is the nicest OS i've ever had the pleasure to install
joecool: the firewall is sweet on it
joecool: i think i remember looking at doing fbsd, but then i figured gentoo would be better for desktop
joecool: i ended up on obsd for a couple years on my laptop cause they had the best reverse engineered wifi drivers
joecool: and linux couldn't make up its mind on what wireless stack to adopt (there were like 6 or 7)
turbo_ac100: kakobrekla: Hey what about showing the weight of bets in the middle of the betboxmetadiv s on the mainpage?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 734 @ 0.00085261 = 0.6258 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: The Devil's Advocate - Home
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 400 @ 0.0008808 = 0.3523 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, so far I'm testing it out on one of the many old boxes that have been taking up space in my room; the one that worked is a "Shuttle"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Cool, I'm just playing it on an older x86 box atm. Was wondering if you'r tried it with newer hardware.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0008572 = 14.6581 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6758 @ 0.00011861 = 0.8016 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.0395 = 0.9085 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.0395 = 2.8045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21102 @ 0.00085731 = 18.091 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 122081 @ 0.00010133 = 12.3705 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: FEC chair warns that conservative media like Drudge Report and Sean Hannity face regulation --- like
chetty: Chris Sevier, a man from Florida, believes he should be allowed to wed his Macbook.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: chetty: Who can truly tell that man his love is wrong.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011687 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: That's a good question. I'm kind of delaying the issue atm due to some medical stuff. Busch should be fine though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085609 = 13.2694 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: At least I've been able to sit down these past few days.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0395 = 2.2515 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah. Just adjusting to sobriety and these analgesics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00012895 = 3.8685 BTC [+] {27}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12890 @ 0.00014612 = 1.8835 BTC [+] {8}
BingoBoingo: Could drink now and completely blow the liver being on all of these antibiotics, or wait this out and drink fruitfully long into the future.
kakobrekla: turbo_ac100 that would make it too crammed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.0395 = 7.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2700 @ 0.00014699 = 0.3969 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 79 @ 0.0395 = 3.1205 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I've talked with Unisys by voice and E-mail, and the voice discussion was entirely unsatisfactory as I posted when it happened - basically the Unisys guy said anyone who sells code for $100-$300 a pop was a total _____ for selling it that cheap.
mircea_popescu: and these are 1993 dollars, pre 5 or so bubbles. prolly 5k in today's obamadollars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3810 @ 0.000145 = 0.5525 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
dub: I know wat unisys are, the ultimate consultancy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00013001 = 2.2102 BTC [-] {4}
Apocalyptic: consulting on how to import ducklings successfully ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic they pissed everyone off with their appaling treatment of the lzw patent
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
BCB: anyone see the SEC investor warning
ozbot: An Update on Toyota and Unintended Acceleration « Barr Code
BCB: anyone see the California Lawyer Bitcoin article
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Mats_cd03: kinda like car alarms, but fucktarded
BCB: My favorite quote “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not the paperwork police.”
BCB: Another Trendon Shavers
BCB: Azelphur: how is the beach? Getting warm there yet?
Azelphur: BCB: great, nice and warm (But air conditioning), sunshine and beach babes, can't complain.
BCB: Azelphur: you should set up a live-stream bikini-cam!
Azelphur: BCB: I had one for a while, but I don't have anything high resolution enough to see detail :p
BCB: Azelphur: details are important
Azelphur: BCB: got a friend of mine and aldur1 coming down, gonna raise the collective IQ of the town by a few points.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: why does everything have to be electric is the better question
Mats_cd03: i guess it would be cool if you could electrify my dong
Mats_cd03: i live in america, its probably too expensive :( that would be quite a firmware upgrade
dub: my toyota is plagued by unintented acceleration
pankkake: try the electrified butt plugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2744 @ 0.00013 = 0.3567 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I use pomodoro when I've got too much on my plate
Mats_cd03: my focus technique is to get super baked and do work
fluffypony: otherwise I work on something for 5 minutes and then get distracted by this other thing I need to do
fluffypony: pomodoro is really good for that scenario
BCB: thestringpuller: bitcoin is over
fluffypony: but outside of that I drop 100mg Provigil in the morning and I'm fine
thestringpuller: start a pomodoro and force people to stay on topic for at least 25 minutes
Mats_cd03: i like it but it doesn't help me focus
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: I found I was having a nap in the afternoon
fluffypony: and I didn't like having 2-3 cups of coffee at 2pm
Mats_cd03: i dont experience much (<25%) cognitive decline after 24 hours when i temper it with provigil across the same period
Mats_cd03: iirc this is why usaf pilots are now on provigil regimens instead of amphetamines for long overflight missions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: yea but you still burn out certain receptors for long durations
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: and it's a gentle lift, not an extreme yank, which is nice
Mats_cd03: fluffypony: i too have napped on it, but i consume 50mg during waking periods i use it to avoid developing a tolerance
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: oh I meant I napped without it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00085551 = 21.1311 BTC [-] {4}
Mats_cd03: i remember reading about a poker player consuming ridiculous doses, like close to a gram, because he abused it for so long to gain a perceived edge in training sessions and subsequently tournaments
Mats_cd03: its really not terribly special other than the edge case where you need all the cognitive performance you can get while sustaining on low sleep
thestringpuller: I'm spending my downtime at work re-reading posts from when I was a n00b
Mats_cd03: you can't train people to operate effectively on low sleep, infanteers have been trying for millennia
fluffypony: my use case is 5-6 hours of sleep a night + focus during waking hours
Mats_cd03: thestringpuller: digitalocean + Ghost (a blogging thingmajig) works pretty well for me
fluffypony: "Node.js is the platform which powers Ghost. Being built on Chrome's JavaScript runtime, makes it fast, scalable, and incredibly efficient."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "because if it's good enough for your browser, it can for realz handle tens of thousands of concurrent connections!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14049999 = 0.562 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1348 @ 0.00012925 = 0.1742 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: For blogging the right tool, is usually, probably going to be some wordpress thing.
BingoBoingo: Then the things you like/dislike about wordpress shape the next choice
ozbot: TLS 1.3 Draft Prepares to Drop Static RSA Key Exchange - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]
fluffypony: wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama?
davout: fluffypony: it's actually the reactor pattern that rocks
fluffypony: davout: then they should pitch it like that
fluffypony: davout: they're saying node.js is fast/scalable/efficient because it's powered by a browser technology
fluffypony: but it's the reactor pattern that rocks
davout: if you're a retard that doesn't have a clue you'll take it at face value, if you know what the reactor pattern is and how evented IO is nice you'll read between the lines
davout: see, if marketing was about communicating precise and factual information, then it wouldn't be marketing anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12432 @ 0.00085799 = 10.6665 BTC [+]
pankkake: is it because browser technology or because google?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
davout: pankkake: because it's derpcentralized
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
assbot: Need a nickname, pankkake.
assbot: Voicing Hiro2 for 30 minutes.
Hiro2: could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends?
Hiro2: I won passthru from Havelock
pankkake: as far as I know, there's not enough revenue to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]
Hiro2: and ActiveMining? has it been two weeks yet for old shares to be active?
pankkake: their finances aren't very transparent right now :/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.041 = 1.148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00085793 = 16.5152 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0425 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.033 = 0.627 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.041 = 2.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4599999 = 2.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10634 @ 0.00085812 = 9.1252 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 277 @ 0.0014 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> try the electrified butt plugs << actually those are kinda bad for you. there is such a thing as electric burns of the mucosa.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama? << yes.
mircea_popescu: <Hiro2> could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends? << asicminer seems to be going to shit.
mircea_popescu: well, they've been going to shit for a while, but the slide is accelerating
assbot: Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0425 = 1.0625 BTC [+]
ryepdx: Hiro2: Not sure if this went through the first time, as I'm having connectivity issues. The reason (AFAIK) was to raise capital to produce their next-gen miners and chips. The next round of dividends are projected to come out on May 27th, at which point they'll be moving to a monthly dividend schedule. Source:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg6465166#msg6465166 ryepdx: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the tip.
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.02224689 BTC; +0.00374863 BTC (+0.0023%) since last check 22h 43m 27s ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.0008597 = 23.0829 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00086168 = 9.4785 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so opened on feb 8th at 0.025, peaked at .1, then piefaced towards 0.015ish. is it dead ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I kind of want to see it locked into that ratio with doge as it crashes
assbot: Voicing taub for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: To where You can't trade a single doge for a satoshi
taub: i suck at using that auth
mircea_popescu: taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up
☟︎ taub: whats assbots l2 oO
taub: does anyone else think hitbtc is faking volume like crazy?
taub: bitfinex and bitstamp seem legit
mircea_popescu: stamp, btc-e, all the play-pretend stock exchanges in history, from glbse onwards, and definitely all the "greatest best first ever" blablas.
taub: getting chopped trying to find the end to this slump, buying too early :/
taub: i think it's turning soon tho
taub: or we go below 380 then srs trouble
assbot: Voicing toastee for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: taub what difference does it make, i still have btc i bought at 2.
BingoBoingo: Some time in the next week someone's going to be sending me PPUSD, prolly need to start scouting people I can unload them on.
BingoBoingo: When that happens, then bitcoin may once again proceed towards moon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00086244 = 25.2695 BTC [+] {2}
taub: china let me down :(
mircea_popescu: "CNBC Correspondent, alum @NYUStern (MBA) and @MiamiUniversity, country music & college football enthusiast --- livin' the NYC dream but forever a proud Ohioan"
BingoBoingo: They always have, it's why NYC get a commie mayor.
mircea_popescu: i imagine on the mid term nyc will be more like paris huh
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so today i learned that mra is a thing. and in the process :
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: mra