davout: bounce: i seriously don't give the slightest shit about you believing me or not
pankkake: I see they were active in 2012 at least
jurov: pankkake: talking about bitvps?
benkay: davout: wish i were there
davout: benkay: i'll send you the CD :D
jurov: I worked with ordering materials and grading terrain for masonry/construction.
BigBitz: You're the bitcoin-central guy.
jurov: he can still be undercover
BigBitz: You know how the French are.
BigBitz: nor do I but it seemed like something to say :/
davout: BigBitz: yes, that would be me :)
bounce: <insert obligatory joke here>
jurov: <insert raunchy clarification>
davout: <express scorn for other non-french people>
[\]: mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?
jurov: don't zing him, he's fucking
davout: kakobrekla: [\\\] is fucking with the log :D
davout: "[\]: mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?"
davout: kakobrekla: the backslashes, what have you done
jurov: orly? \\r \\\\n \t
kakobrekla: fuck you all im gonna set it to +m if you keep acting like this.
jurov: kakobrekla: better make assbot kick any nick it can't parse
davout: the funny part is that this convo will look completely retarded when read in the logs
davout: assbot set mode +b on assbot
davout: back in 1988 : "MAKE A SHORTCUT THAT POINTS TO ITSELF, SEE WHAT HAPPENS"
[\]: kakobrekla, it *is* +m
[\]: well fuck you, it wasn't funny
[\]: I just saw the random highlight and I couldn't tell if mircea_popescu was calling me a scammer or if he knows me and scammers
BigBitz: any more of this and it's -m and we invite dotcoin back.
davout: BigBitz: he's not that bad-behaved, just thick
bounce: you'll have to round up some substitute scammers from -otc instead; he's off-line
[\]: BigBitz, they invented this neat little thing
[\]: /ignore * #bitcoin-assets
davout: BigBitz: maybe i'm completely stupid but there's a part in me that says there's a (very smallà probability that he might be saved
BigBitz: there is also... you may not know this one...
[\]: BigBitz: /hop is fun
bounce: hip hop or dance dance dance revolution?
[\]: davout: /hop = /part + /join
[\]: kakobrekla, you're mom's a fag
BigBitz: It's half-op someplaces, depends :)
[\]: some networks use halfop
[\]: they're good for banning
davout: kakobrekla: wtf are you still doing here, don't you have a log to fix?
[\]: bounce, no wonder your mom's so fat
davout: that's what she said ?
kakobrekla: davout notrly, [\\\] needs to fix his nick
[\]: kakobrekla, I already did
[\]: its interesting how many people have issues with it
bounce: so what is the rationale for the log to parse escape sequences?
[\]: bounce, because what if we do something stupid like /nick something\bounce
assbot: Voicing wolverineks for 30 minutes.
billg: it works only in nick
billg: it did ate the first \0 though
bounce: apparently opera doesn't deal too well with actual nulls in table fields
☟︎ [\]: :BigBitz /nick \[\\\]\bounce
[\]: the log fails on actions
billg: o it did emit NULs?
bounce: yeah. don't trust your browser to show them, though.
billg: lol yes, firefox threw them out of the DOM but they are there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]
bounce: took long enough, though
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla without time-limit.
assbot: Voicing \\ľščťžýáíéôň for 30 minutes.
[\\\]: here comes the bans
assbot: Voicing 转换菠萝 for 30 minutes.
bounce: log really should be using <> instead of : since copy/pasting looks wrong now
[\\\]: !up should check for if the nick is really in channel
assbot: Voicing should for 30 minutes.
jurov: !down \\ľščťžýáíéôň
assbot: Voicing shit for 30 minutes.
jurov: !t m \\ľščťžýáíéôň
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
assbot: Voicing fuckers for 30 minutes.
[\\\]: I'm 11, what is this?
[\\\]: good thing its my birthday tomorrow!
assbot: Voicing okcupid.com for 30 minutes.
bounce: can't ask minors for dox
assbot: Voicing fooooobar for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing yourbutt for 30 minutes.
jurov: Cannot send to channel: #bitcoin-assets
[\\\]: you joined after the voice
[\\\]: so you didn't actually have voice
[\\\]: and now we has your ip!
assbot: Voicing fooooobar for 30 minutes.
[\\\]: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand its gone
jurov: sry to disappoint you
bounce: huh, more yes than no.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00087641 = 13.1462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26994 @ 0.0008762 = 23.6521 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: anyway ozbot is down i made a better(?) url title parser
assbot: BitBet - Facebook Myspace'd :: 5.03 B (61%) on Yes, 3.16 B (39%) on No | closing in 8 months 2 weeks | weight: 78`618 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.00659998 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: [\\\] i wasn't calling you a scammer, but i guess you ended up in dubious company
mircea_popescu: dotcoin: there is all there, if 10k shares was on listing and tomorrow are only 5000 means that 500 are sold, there is no order book need << epic
mircea_popescu: pankkake: bitcoin-central.net actually requires requests to google to work << what da sheit
mircea_popescu: davout: i'd be very interested in an explanation about why it is that bitcoin attracts two radically opposite demographics << because the smart and the terminally retarded are the only groups that don't know how smart they actually are.
artifexd: No ozbot?
http://tylervigen.com/ is "Things that correlate". A bunch of graphs of completely unrelated things that appear to be related when graphed on top of each other.
mircea_popescu: artifexd this is where twitter politicos/influencers/journos/other derps get their fascinating groundbreaking articles ?
artifexd: Could be. Just goes to prove that we can reduce oil imports by banning chickens.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
assbot: Right in the middle of a major push to production. Awesome. | Hacker News
assbot: It's too bad git requires a central server. | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: in other news, check out the abundance of this guy's trademarking efforts :
assbot: Weiler, Deal du Jour SARL, 45 allee des Ormes, - European Trademarks Correspondent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25633 @ 0.00087852 = 22.5191 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahaha this gets even better. davout pankkake Apocalyptic :
mircea_popescu: Le 11 août 2010 la S.A.R.L. FRANCOTEL a déposé à l'Institut National de la Propriété Industrielle
mircea_popescu: 2 une demande d'enregistrement n° 10/3759889 de la marque verbale <adwords> pour les classes 36 et 38. Le 17 novembre suivant la société états-unienne GOOGLE INC., titulaire de la marque verbale antérieure <ADWORDS> déposée le 14 décembre 2006 sous le n° 06 3 469 535 pour les classes 16, 35 et 42, a formé opposition.
mircea_popescu: guy asks for 25k euro damages in ordinary and further 5k for abus de droit (:D) and also that google loses the adwords mark for class 35 in france.
mircea_popescu: La Cour, statuant en dernier ressort et par arrêt contradictoire. [...] Condamne en outre la S.A.R.L. FRANCOTEL à payer à la société GOOGLE INC. une indemnité de
mircea_popescu: 5 000,00 euros au titre de l'article 700 du Code de Procédure Civile.
mircea_popescu: so listen dotcoin, did you ever pay that 10k or do you still owe google ?
mircea_popescu: a-d-w-o-r-d-s.org A-D-W-O-R-D-S | Association de Défense Webmasters contre les Oligopoles Rigoureux Détruisant les petites Sociétés Owner: weiler markus Registrant Street: 9 rue emmanuel philibert
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00088258 = 21.0937 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: davout: BigBitz: maybe i'm completely stupid but there's a part in me that says there's a (very smallà probability that he might be saved << he seems just somewhat retarded in his approach to things, not really a scammer per se.
mircea_popescu: herpy derp, he's going to sue google and make a domain to protest "Les Oligopoles Rigoureux"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.00667286 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 387 @ 0.00120654 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5943 @ 0.00088313 = 5.2484 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48485779 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00088423 = 7.0738 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4912 @ 0.00088295 = 4.3371 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087562 = 20.0955 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00087528 = 25.3831 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: barratry affixes to the actor, abus de droit to the deed.
mircea_popescu: it's an old device left from the legal thinking of the hre
mircea_popescu: which had the religious notion that law can work no ill
mircea_popescu: sending bills is only productive if you send them to the solvent.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00087755 = 31.504 BTC [+]
assbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 159 @ 0.0008587 = 0.1365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 446 @ 0.00085476 = 0.3812 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.0008501 = 0.17 BTC [-]
benkay: kakobrekla: why not show bet text on bitbet?
benkay: in propositions i mean
kakobrekla: benkay you can see the text if you hover over title
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0043054 = 0.1206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00087528 = 26.7398 BTC [-]
benkay: neat kakobrekla sweet easter egg
benkay: i wonder if someone at localbitcoins is hitting bitbet :D
assbot: Coinmart April 27th Update
benkay: why these people don't get how to handle identity boggles the mind
benkay: actually i take it back internet/crypto is apparently bogglingly hard for people to handle
benkay: hey you know what's annoying?
benkay: capitalized first letters of erc handles
bitcoinpete: not too shabby my man. just returning from games night and ready to catch up on the action
benkay: i just discovered #digitalcoin
assbot: Bitcoin ETF Means Winklevii Likely Dumped their $64 Million in BTC - Equities.com Global Financial Community
benkay: dunno. some coin. i'm just talking
assbot: 2wice Blessed: Yitz Jordan Y Love- "Bigots are B*tches" - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 249 @ 0.00300001 = 0.747 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: bitcoinpete: am i insane?
bitcoinpete: benkay: i assume you're talking about the convo in the other room? i'm doing the logs here atm...
assbot: Brutal Crackdown on Hangzhou Waste Incinerator Protest Leaves 3 Dead, Sparks Riot
BingoBoingo: benkay: Is this the digital coin invented last spring with Uber rapid block times that had this huge pissing match with World Coin over who could be more nothing?
benkay: <Rawdawg-3> what is that?
bitcoinpete: do they not have a gribble with ;; google?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00087528 = 7.6587 BTC [-]
assbot: Teens Are Flooding Nature Valley Granola Bars' Twitter Account With Anime Fan Art And It's Amazing
bitcoinpete: "Other anime fans apparently thought it was pretty amazing that a granola bar would tweet at them about anime, so they kept it going."
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
bitcoinpete: 6/35 economists aren't retarded. not bad, really
benkay: i'm for the sack. need me beauty sleep for thinkin.
Vexual: hackrf shipping yet? imma be bouncing the blockchain off the ionosphere
bitcoinpete: looks like mr. bitcoin bourse dropped by earler… entertaining
bitcoinpete: the kickstarter thing? probably destined to pull a fancy watch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16366 @ 0.00087755 = 14.362 BTC [+]
Vexual: uber limited bandwidth
Vexual: what is it you do again?
Vexual: my memory occasionaly acts like half a goldfish
Vexual: im loading your twitter, i have limited bandwidth
assbot: .RICH | The World's Most Exclusive Address
bitcoinpete: punkman: i thought .coms were the pricey, and therefore exclusive, ones
punkman: bitcoinpete: they are, but fuck it
punkman: too much crap to choose from now, wonder where we go from here
punkman: most people seem to google even the easy ones
punkman: does the Greenaddress.it guy hang around on freenode?
gribble: gait was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <GAit> so what do you guys do? anyone coming to amsterdam?
bitcoinpete: he just dropped by the one time after i messed up his hair on twitter
assbot: Gandi Rates - .na domain names
bitcoinpete: he hasn't been back because… he's busy working on incorporating dice wallets
punkman: I saw a job ad for greenaddress, would contact if he was in WOT
gribble: #20527 Wed May 7 08:51:35 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 code @ 0.1 btc (Will code (py,php,js,css,other) for BTC.)
bitcoinpete: that's all the dotcoin logs lulz my abs can take tonight. later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11437 @ 0.00087528 = 10.0106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2215 @ 0.00087528 = 1.9387 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1983 @ 0.00012755 = 0.2529 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 447.0, vol: 4754.11149336 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 437.009, vol: 2858.6656 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 444.5, vol: 4207.10587322 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 53.94259978 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 443.008676, vol: 1268.31730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.2, vol: 4.79533399 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 448.5108, vol: 12.56318565 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 447.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 447.0, 24 hour volume: 4755.11649336, 24 hour low: 444.36, 24 hour high: 459.24, 24 hour vwap: 452.428071052
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07129845 = 0.1426 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00087687 = 19.1158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00087567 = 12.3032 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9851 @ 0.00087486 = 8.6182 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.48707709 = 14.1252 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07115232 = 1.5654 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.44521602 BTC; +0.33195475 BTC (+0.2023%) since last check 18h 7m 4s ago.
mircea_popescu: benkay: neat kakobrekla sweet easter egg << lol we'll need a cheats site
assbot: Coinmart April 27th Update
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14137 @ 0.00087755 = 12.4059 BTC [+]
assbot: Bitcoin ETF Means Winklevii Likely Dumped their $64 Million in BTC - Equities.com Global Financial Community
mircea_popescu: Vexual: my memory occasionaly acts like half a goldfish << one of the better liens
bounce: why do those two smell so much of pathetic?
punkman: mircea_popescu: aye, just sat down with my tea
mircea_popescu: also, i need somebody with decent computer skillz but no programming to do some data entry type work for me, anyone eager ?
bounce is totally overqualified
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 9 hours, 50 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <moiety> i'll be more to renew than i was in the first place
mircea_popescu: jurov who do you use for shit like that ? recommend someone to me ?
bounce: what sort of data entry, btw?
mircea_popescu: the tedious boring sort, with a hint of talking to people.
jurov: hm, i once used freelancer, otherwise never needed that
mircea_popescu: we definitely don't have enough famished girlies in here.
bounce: you're supposed to teach them programming too these days
jurov: there are robotized fleshlights nao
gribble: cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <cedivad> i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad i need to steal some datas from you, pls to drop by.
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assbot: Twitter / davoutplantaire: How to remotely rape NFC credit ...
davout: i didn't think it was *that* bad
davout: in short, you can remotely read everything on a NFC-enabled CC
davout: ordered the relevant dongle for fun and profit
davout: learn stuff everyday they say!
davout: mircea_popescu: have a source for initial disclosure?
assbot: Stealing credit card details via NFC is easy/pointless • The Register
davout_: i find stuff about mobile devices, but nothing in that range about the fact that the data simply lies unencrypted on the card with its legs wide open
mircea_popescu: was that guy skora or w/e with the android app a coupla years ago...
mircea_popescu: it's rife with it, i don't think i have the original source nor reallyt that one exists. shit's tyoo braindamaged, too many people figured it out
davout: yeah, that stuff is circa 2012, pretty much the same time range than that other guy's disclosure
davout: but i can totally imagine that it has been discovered much earlier
mircea_popescu: davout yeah there's a reason nfc is sort-of dead if yet unburied.
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davout: i can't wait to have it all setup and have a casual PAN-harvest stroll in the crowded parisian subway
bounce: what's the latest in nfc dongles then?
davout: "We are increase loading speed soon" <<< nice
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't even know. i don't actually know anyone that uses payments off a smartphone.
davout: bounce: i ordered a SCL3711, the range is probably extremely shitty
davout: mircea_popescu: ^ "i can't wait to have it all setup and have a casual PAN-harvest stroll in the crowded parisian subway"
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> davout yeah there's a reason nfc is sort-of dead if yet unburied. // I heard now you can't order a Mastercard or Visa card without NFC these days
davout: Apocalyptic: they all have it by default now in france too
bounce did acquire reader kit a while back, not much in the way of tags to fsck around with though
davout: you can't opt out right
Apocalyptic: when I filled the form, I specifically told them I do NOT want NFC
Apocalyptic: well, they did it anyway, and told me you can't get it without anyway
davout: mircea_popescu: if the NFC chip is embedded in the card chip you're fucked, that's prolly not the case tho
bounce: these things have been stuck into passports and id cards (that you're required to carry in a number of countries) too
davout: mircea_popescu: french cards have them but they are seldom used
bounce: really should make a nice app to scan and read whichever tags it can see
bounce: IIRC switzerland too. too many countries don't, though.
davout: bounce: the passport is secured in a different way, it needs some sort of joint optical + NFC read to work
mircea_popescu: davout you can actually syphon a lot of data off the new us passports w/o any contact
davout: mircea_popescu: nah, you can't "just use the stripe" here
bounce: the key's from a rather small keyspace I'm told. ie, reasonably crackable.
mircea_popescu: you got that spiffy salt-water-on-rope internet where you live BayAreaCoins_ ?
BayAreaCoins_: mircea_popescu In SF right now, but I have a house or two in Arkansas too.
assbot: Comment désactiver le NFC sur sa carte bancaire « Korben
BayAreaCoins_: Google chrome took a shit on me. Just kinda nosing through y'alls chat and your books.
pankkake: davout: nice. maybe I won't have to wrap my wallet in tinfoil after all
davout: pankkake: that'll leave you some to wrap your head in :D
davout: my card is old but i'm definitely doing it for the new one
BayAreaCoins_: mircea_popescu So what do you guys focus on in earning most your bitcoins in here? Just a little of everything and anything?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.47000001 = 4.23 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: BayAreaCoins_: i don't think i'm focused squarely in earning most bitcoins
BayAreaCoins_: jurov a fiat type of guy or trying to square away a corner of a market?
jurov: what's "fiat type of guy" ?
BayAreaCoins_: Um... you know. You got some guys who have a bank safety deposit box full of Gold, Silver, Cash or dust :P
BayAreaCoins_: *obviously lying I blow all my bitcoins gambling ;)*
jurov: lol.. actually i cannot hoard. money itches to be put into someone else
fluffypony: which is why jurov is such a big supporter of buttcoin
davout: if your safety deposit box is full of gold you don't really qualify as a "fiat guy" in my view :D
fluffypony: because it's something being put into something else
davout: jurov: s/money/my dick/
jurov: well, that fits too
BayAreaCoins_: davout right... so you would be a gold guy if it was full of gold. *Captain Obvious*
davout: jurov: i'll drop this line of jokes right here
jurov: biggest fiat guys would be drug lords with dungeons full of cash
jurov: in customized-for-hsbc boxes
davout: jurov: /w direct pneumatic pipe link
jurov: i do like. but bitcoin is so very cooler
jurov: and more dangerous :)
fluffypony: Bitcoin is even being investigated as a terrorist threat
davout: fluffypony: it's refocusing on pedo tho
fluffypony: just wait till they start hiding their stuff in the blockchain
BayAreaCoins_: hear there is already a alt out with a slideshow wallet.
davout: wtf is a slideshow wallet ?
davout: there's an alt for yards and pencils, but slideshow...
BayAreaCoins_: Slide show is like when the pictures change every 5 seconds (it was a joke)
davout: sorry, i'm wearing my "Intelligence -6" sweater
BayAreaCoins_: 6am and I'm stoned off my balls, so no worries. Just kind of browsing like I said. I like making money and meeting people who make money
BayAreaCoins_: I'm pretty sure my government likes BTC anyways... not going to link it to terrorist any time soon.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4700001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0043992 = 0.1936 BTC [+]
davout: BayAreaCoins_: i'm not completely unconvinced that bitcoin is part of some sort "if we fail we're not going to let china have it" kind of move
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00446687 = 0.2769 BTC [+] {4}
davout: "offshore paper wallets" <<< you could ipo that on bitcoinbourse
mircea_popescu: open a restauant which only serves foods which can be consumed at such a temperature that their overal caloric balance is nil
davout: you would be a terrible french person
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins_ in earning most of our bitcoins we mostly focus mostly not losing the bitcoin we already have.
davout: no you're not, you're not arrogant enough
mircea_popescu: davout but think about it, customer can set their own desired calorie per serving
BayAreaCoins_: mircea_popescu So does that mean you will take the chance of floating your coin to fiat for a price fall or do you hold strong and long
davout: mircea_popescu: you could include physical exercise in the mix
mircea_popescu: i was worth like > 1bn earlier this year, nao moar like a third that.
BayAreaCoins_: Like the gold guy in South America... like 50bil to 4 in a year :-\
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> because it's something being put into something else << the royal society for putting things on top of other things
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins_ it's acomment on the general human condition. the toothpick in your ear hurts you more than the tree up someone's arse hurts oyu.
assbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Are you young and desperate ...
BayAreaCoins_: I plan on making $100,000 this week and I just wanted to spy a little
BayAreaCoins_: I do a number of things though. Sold a business in 2010 and did the college/frat thing. Fucked off since I learned that college should be paying me for the homework I was doing for them
mircea_popescu: it should, but it could never afford to, so the entire thing is predicated on your not noticing.
BayAreaCoins_: If I ship state to state. The USDA bitches, but if the snails are shipped within the same state. No feds
BayAreaCoins_: Snail game is a interesting one... I'm stil learning it. Basically I have this whole side of the world to myself because it is against the law to import live snails into the USA.
BayAreaCoins_: I had a ad on Just-dice for a while thanks to doog :P
mircea_popescu: "and are looking TO SALE please contact us!!!" / "and are looking to sell please contact us!!!"
BayAreaCoins_: I've been working on the site and I have to have it proof read.
BayAreaCoins_: Once I had all the shit how I imagine it I'll have one of my nice friends go over it and fix all my typo BS. Deb helped me out last time. Did you see my comment earlier of Offshore paper wallets?
BayAreaCoins_: I understand the trust issue, I'm in bitcoin too :), but it seems like it would be a nice option.
BayAreaCoins_: You know as a American I can't have a Swiss bank account? Sure I understand not giving your bitcoins away as a bitcoin person, but if you are someone else it might not be such a bad option...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00087934 = 24.5336 BTC [+]
BigBitz: Nobody can have a .ch bank account unless they are a .ch citizen AFAIK.
bounce: at least residency is enough to open an account
bounce: IIRC there's a bit of a capital requirement for that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
BigBitz: yeah pretty sure there is a capital requirement as well.
bounce: oh, 20k or 100k CHF, to be deposited in a swiss bank account.
bounce: and a couple thousand in fees and things
davout: "Nobody can have a .ch bank account unless they are a .ch citizen AFAIK" <<< nah you don't need to, you don't need a corp either, you just need to convince a banker
mircea_popescu: anyway, the budget version is, "just move to mongolia"
BigBitz: I thought Swizterland was quite weird on their account requirement.
BigBitz: I thought, at a min, residency as bounce said, but I actually thought they had some Citizenship nonsense as well.
davout: yea, there a fuckton of french people that have swiss bank accounts, all the folks working cross-border, plus a bunch of wealthy ones
bounce: the crackdown on who can open a bank account where is largely US (and UN-lobbygroups) driven
bounce: effects are noticable world-wide, though. the swiss banking secrecy is just about gone apparently too.
BigBitz: Lichenstein is the place to go :>
mircea_popescu: bounce fortunately bitcoin showed up and so we don't have to join forces with the arab terrorism to rid the world of that nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is an angle most of the "us will ban bitcoin" theoreticians fail to understand. bitcoin fucking saved the us, because the way things were going....
mircea_popescu: there wasn'ty going to be stone left upon stone sort of thing
BigBitz: "saved" is a rather bold sentiment mircea_popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0723432 = 1.7362 BTC [+] {3}
InGoldWeTrust: [10:09] -assbot- You have been voiced for 30 minutes by mircea_popescu
bounce: oh please. look up what irc channel mode +v does
InGoldWeTrust: what is this place, people give me permission to talk?
InGoldWeTrust: I thought this was a chat room for bitcoin, must be the wrong place
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 141 @ 0.0008501 = 0.1199 BTC [-]
bounce: you may be looking for #bitcoin instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00087934 = 4.5286 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "On April 21, 2014 bitcoin got its first lobbyists, however a competitor hired them. DC lobbying firm, Peck Madigan Jones, registered not one, but five of their employees to lobby Congress on “bitcoin” and “virtual currencies.” The client they are registered for is MasterCard, a transaction competitor to bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: what's more interesting, of course, is the total lack of registered us govt lobbists in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: at this rate bitcoin may regulate the us govt out of existence.
bounce: there's no registry. quick, someoen petition the ceo of bitcoin.
davout: re what we were saying about mastercard a couple of weeks ago
fluffypony: I move for pankkake to be nominated as CTO of Bitcoin
davout: i decentralize-fair-p2p vote for it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00087563 = 15.3235 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: davout: I love how you got accused of being related to Karpeles
fluffypony: asciilifeform: interesting - got a read for it or is it easy to find on Google?
bounce: so ditch that feature and banks will move to actual as opposed to make-believe card security?
davout: asciilifeform: i'm not a camel, my bulge is on the other side
thestringpuller: "You wanna be a CEO huh? Start by joining #bitcoin-assets"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what did you get your momma for mothers day?
davout: the dotcoin dude: "You will never win! The smart guys know what happen and your problems can only be regulated by a psychiatrist!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14880 @ 0.00087557 = 13.0285 BTC [-]
davout: kakobrekla: he's like a zombie that you can't kill because there's no brain to shoot
jurov: i think he's a subversion of mircea's thickening necks theory
benkay: thestringpuller: the girl put together a boquet for which i took credit. i am also going over this morning to take credit for the meal my sister is making.
benkay: <- obvsly prime ceo material
jurov: davout basically that pencilnecks will be replaced by progressively thicker necks
jurov: when broken by circumstances, regulation etc.
benkay: ty for lovely cello, davout
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> other thing, folks will answer 'i've an electromagnetically-shielded wallet! haha' - but see who laughs last. eventually, you won't even be able to walk into a shop unless the door can read your CC << this is a good thing, becayse i don't like this entire in person shopping thing anywayu
benkay: but its the women who drive the shopping economy
assbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Once a market is perverted ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72795040 BTC to 8`680 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
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bounce: begging, a growth industry
bounce considers the bandwagon
fluffypony: you could always order most of your stuff online?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0334999 = 0.1005 BTC [-]
jurov: by that point also they will be forced to secure it
jurov: like recent rfid failures for mass transport across eu
bounce: online shopping is still mostly driven by credit cards and paypal and similar constructs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18746 @ 0.0008756 = 16.414 BTC [+] {3}
bounce: rather build a mostly self-sufficient house with plenty farmland and a cellar full of build-it-yourself equipment. lathes, 3d printers, what-have-you
jurov: it's maybe 10 years already that banks want everyone to switch to credit/debit cards
jurov: did not happen yet, don't see what would rfid change on that?
bounce: more like "the only winning move"
fluffypony: well jurov's got a point - they keep doing big pushes here in Africa to "bank the unbanked", but they forget that often the unbanked want to stay that way to avoid paying tax
bounce: they haven't forgotten, no. maybe the starry-eyed do-gooders at the front, but not the backers, no.
jurov: they'll have to make merchants dislike cash
bounce: then again, in chip&pin countries there's a big and continous push to use your bank card (or cc if you must), to the point of there being multiple chains that don't accept cash at all any longer
jurov: as long as merchants like to acept cash, that won§t happen
bounce: europe. where the government also requires pay to be made by bank transfer and so requires everyone in the workforce to have a bank account
jurov: oh that. but banks are so greedy with various fees that everyone just pulls their salary out of atm at first instance
jurov: and leaves jsut something to pay the bills
jurov: also, i don't see merchants giving up 3% of their margin voluntarily by avoiding cash
fluffypony: yeah lots of small places here that only accept cash
fluffypony: because the banks charge a fixed monthly "rental" for the machine
fluffypony: and the pie shop on the corner doesn't want that
bounce: until they drop the fees to ~1% and put a big push on people using chip&pin, then the sheep'll do just that
jurov: how can they drop the fees? banks are used to this income
bounce: here they're not visible to the customer, so the fees banks pay other banks (and the central payment processor, if one) come out of the bottom line. since merchant and customer both use some bank...
jurov: but merchant always pays
jurov: regardless where's the customer bank
bounce: oh right. still and all, more volume in return for lower fees is worth it for the banks and less cash on hand is worth it to the merchants
bounce: to the point that holdups and raids have shifted from supermarkets to the elderly in their homes
jurov: how more volume? as if, twice the number of people will switch to epayment if prices decrease by 2%?
assbot: BitPay raising $30 million of capital, gives itself a $160 million valuation which is ridiculous | The Cryptocurrency Times
bounce: I'd have to look up the press releases by the payment processors, but possibly yes
jurov: imagine starting a sentence "if goverment slashd the taxes by 60%..."
jurov: you won't be taken seriously
jurov: in the same way, banks will never give up milking the merchants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00087479 = 17.4958 BTC [-]
bounce: er, prices decrease for the customer? no, fees for the merchant drop by 50%
bounce: customer sees same price either way.
jurov: so where's any incentive for customer?
bounce: consumers are sold on this on "safer to not carry cash", "using chip&pin is faster and easier than cash" and such propaganda
jurov: yes, they try. then they see their account statement with various fees peppered about and bail the hell out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]
jurov: and use family relative account + atm withdrawal. true story, multiple ppl i know
HeySteve: hey guys. anything you can tell me about KFC Minor?
bounce: uhm, no. no extra fees per transaction.
bounce: the fees are in "having a bank account" and (perhaps separately) "having a chip&pin card", and a lot more for "having a credit card"
jurov: bounce find me one bank that slashed fees by 60%
bounce: oh the banks just up the fees for their customers, but they're a package deal on the account level, not individual transaction level
jurov: bounce that's no difference
bounce: since you already cannot live without some bank account and they all charge more or less the same there's no way out of that
fluffypony: HeySteve: they seemed to be doing ok, and then they had all these deliveries that were badly packed and arrived broken, now they're trying to reship but afaik are still having stuff arrive damaged
HeySteve: ah yes, I remember that story, ta
jurov: bounce i just described how it's done in practice
jurov: a faimly has one account where it's a must and for everything else jut cash is used
jurov: either you have cheap epayments for everyone but then there's no profit incentive for anyone
jurov: or you scren few % from someone and then large part of people revert to using cash
jurov: the system works againt itself
bounce: in n/w europe it's usual for everyone to have their own accounts (even kids) and shared accounts on top of that. cash is maybe half of all purchases and steadily pushed down by banks+merchants+gov't in concert
jurov: bounce that's what propaganda says
bounce: sure. plenty people bought into it too. rather surprising how hard it is to tell'em about the downside of the approach.
jurov: there's still large part (if minority) that avoids it and makes abolishing cash completely infeasible
jurov: couple that with notorious insecurity of all popular e-cash solutions
bounce: we've already seen that insecurity is no object, instead a rather desirable property; it's the /perception/ of insecurity that matters, and for that there's propaganda
jurov: propaganda can't hide money missing from your very account
jurov: and again, since you don't get it: propaganda needs funding, hence banks need profit
jurov: hence they must screw someone over
jurov: hence creating disnicentives
jurov: i;m tired of all these hypotheticals anyway. they'll surely try these rfid-enabled sidewalk tolls and whatnot
jurov: just not so sure of the outcome
jurov: it may as well result in mass pwnage and chaos
herbijudlestoids: wanted to drop in and share some good news and make sure you guys hadnt forgotten about me
jurov: herbi you got bought by bitcoinbourse?
punkman: herbijudlestoids: what was it again? some SaaS thing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00087998 = 24.8594 BTC [+] {4}
herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: we are one of the few openstack companies in australia ;)
herbijudlestoids: anyway guise, love you many long time, i miss the stimulating conversation of this room and hope to return
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
assbot: Rating Details for User 'herbijudlestoids'
gribble: Current Blocks: 300246 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 137 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 13 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8870294077.76 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.86659
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00087776 = 12.1131 BTC [-]
bounce: can you make assbot drop the whole tweet (of up to 160 characters, after all) instead of just the title, in case of twittar/statuses/...?
FabianB: heh, thought of requesting this too a few hours ago
bounce: it's certainly rather inefficient
bounce: there's bound to be an api somewhere that might even just take the status number and return the tweet, though.
kakobrekla: ;;google fetch tweet by status number api
bounce: and if that fails you can always fall back to the common case
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00087537 = 17.201 BTC [-]
bounce: officially, anyway. the webpage gets the data somehow, though. if it's not in there the js will have to get it.
kakobrekla: yes but make an api that makes users parse html or worse ?
bounce: obviously much too hard to parse html so every'll auth. prevents abuse, see?
bounce: api discussion tells you to look for the blue pills
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14191 @ 0.00087963 = 12.4828 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: apparently the tweet is right there, in a <p class="js-tweet-text tweet-text"></p>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1333333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
Drew: not much, just stopped by to see what was up
Drew: im about to post a different version of my little investment seeking thread on bitcoin talk, self moderated to delete trolls and just let it sort of sit around as advertisement while i start building my trust to approach from a different angle
Drew: what was the info for the server login on mIRC again? the web platform isnt nearly as good
benkay: weren't you throwing around numbers like 10m?
benkay: anyways -assets takes the weekend off, typically.
assbot: Anti-surveillance mask lets you pass as someone else - CNET
benkay: or you could just stick some IR LED's on your hat.
benkay: no need for fancy 3d printing wankery.
benkay: Drew: you're going to want to actually get an irc client if the web clients aren't doing it for you.
bounce: shush, no need to go all "we already solved this"
benkay: irssi's a good one if you're command-line competent (and being so is recommended for crypto use)
benkay: xchat's not bad if you're a gui guy
Drew: yea i downloaded the irc client
Drew: and yea the investment i was looking for was about 1.25m, so not so much little
Drew: how do i login to my account i made?
benkay: did you register your nick?
Drew: yeah its verified with gribble and whatnot
bounce: so login with gribble and whatnot
gribble: Nick 'Drew', with hostmask 'Drew!ac06a19c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.6.161.156', is not identified.
gribble: User 'DrewHorne', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1ESdGLk9MR5mAghLAn5R3419tvmj2FvFMB, registered on Wed May 7 08:34:43 2014, last authed on Wed May 7 08:34:43 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=DrewHorne . Currently not authenticated.
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
benkay: see this is a problem with having one irc nick and another wot nick
Drew: they should both be DrewHorne
Drew: this is just the nick im temporarily using while i figure out how to get back in there
benkay: then /msg nickserv register drewhorne
benkay: also don't capitalize the first letter of your nick
bounce: it's registered. now log in with nickserv before it forces you off the nick
gribble: Nick 'Benkay', with hostmask 'Benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
Guest89510: so now ive been demoted into a guest lol
benkay: you'll have to /nick and then /identify
benkay: /msg nickserv identify
benkay: yeah first /nick drewhorne
benkay: then /msg nickserv identify pword
benkay: you can configure big boy irc clients to handle that for you, although that requires storing a password on disk.
benkay: try disconnecting and reconnecting
benkay: the good ol' windows reboot
benkay: how would one go about hiding assets with life insurance?
jurov: life insurance became thinly veiled alias for many other kinds of investments
jurov: such as stocks and mutual funds
benkay: the ways we spend our time...
benkay: bbiab time to hump pots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0308004 = 0.154 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0308 = 0.1232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00088136 = 23.1798 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0320001 = 0.16 BTC [-]
artifexd: <+benkay> also don't capitalize the first letter of your nick <- Why? Is your autocomplete case sensitive?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0308 = 0.1232 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform "settle the nomads, tax the untaxed, etc." << yeah just ask the ancient Romans about the Thervingians, Goths, Huns, etc. "We want land to farm, but not your tax or culture"
decimation: At some point the "tribes" begin to reverse-colonize the Leviathan state - see the modern UK for instance
kakobrekla: someone post a link to some tweet for test
assbot:
http://t.co/V4RGo4vHM5 Bitcoiners are jealous of Dogecoiners and acting out. /search?q=%23dogecoin&src=hash /search?q=%23bitcoin&src=hash /search?q=%23nascar&src=hash /search?q=%23reddit&src=hash
jurov: can use some hash filter
bounce: where'd that /search stuff come from?
jurov: but very nice overall!
bounce wonders where that comes from
bounce: "translate href except for /search...src=hash" might be a reasonable shot
fluffypony: kakobrekla - why are you scraping the dom instead of using the API tho?
bounce: because the api requires auth
bounce: was a bit of a spat not too long ago, when they made it mandatory
assbot: Dorian Nakamoto official statement/denial. Very interested to see how /Newsweek /truth_eater /jimpoco respond.
http://t.co/wfCyK1dQ48 bounce: slashes instead of @. well, why not. doesn't look worse at any rate.
bounce: though the link text is pic.twitter.com/wfCyK1dQ48 which would be better in this case. hm.
bounce: !up checkdavid because asked so nicely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00088136 = 12.0746 BTC [+]
davout: should i buy baldur's gate II enhanced edition
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
davout: should i also buy the first one ?
bounce: ;;8ball is it wise to trust eightballs?
fluffypony: ;;8ball should we invest on BitcoinBourse?
fluffypony: hah hah, forensick posted on that thread
fluffypony: sorry CheckDavid, I just saw those notices now
fluffypony: everything you say comes out my speakers twice as loud
bounce: oh yes, irc on text to voice
CheckDavid: Now I have to speak out of my mouth and out of my ass
bounce: where's the question then?
CheckDavid: I am am just asking about the current state and their respective pros and cons
fluffypony: CheckDavid: fundamentally I don't have a problem with the *idea* of a distributed exchange, the problem is that it's not realistically plausible right now (in terms of being able to handle any significant trade volume)
fluffypony: the other problem is things like delisting an asset
fluffypony: let's say it's provably a scam and the operator has disappeared
fluffypony: no centralised control means that asset continues trading
bounce: you could perchance come up with an N-of-M revoker
jurov: fluffypony: decentralized trading of provable scams is the next level
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 650 @ 0.00083098 = 0.5401 BTC [-] {6}
fluffypony: CheckDavid: I also have no problem with operators being real-world anonymous if they choose to do so, there are checks and balances in place for that (such as their WoT presence)
fluffypony: I do have a problem with something that seems to, on face value, just enable scammers to scam even more easily than CryptoStocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: fluffypony: what's the problem if it continues trading?
fluffypony: CheckDavid: because there's no communication platform, so bagholders can offload their shares onto unsuspecting trader
fluffypony: also the whole principle seems to be "decentralise the trade but centralise the communication"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0308 = 0.2156 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: I see. I don't feel concerned about that honesty
fluffypony: coloured coins are maybe more interesting, but then I have to wonder if it's solving a problem that needs solving?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
benkay: there are no capital barriers to the colored coin system which means it will rapidly fill with the criminal and the stupid.
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HeySteve: would someone please remind me of how to search the asset log for key phrases via the bot?
kakobrekla: ;;google key phrases site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
HeySteve: ;;google the bitcoin foundation is a scam site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
benkay: is the trezor actually shipping?
jurov: only stick is too lazy to upload tracking numbers to the website
jurov: and only metallic ones ship now
jurov: i§ll should get it tomorrow or so
benkay: what's the deal with asicminer dividends?
kakobrekla: i think asciilifeform had some things to say re trezor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00088216 = 15.2614 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: maybe its a good time and place for this nao :)
jurov: yes, it's scattered around the log
kakobrekla: "when you die, you dont know you died and its not hard on you. its hard on others. same if you are stupid."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088136 = 11.8102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00088307 = 16.5134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12692 @ 0.00088731 = 11.2617 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Millions of US $20 Bills Counterfeited, Scammer Says 'Screw You,' America
decimation: "Intellectually it is a fascinating story. If you look at the market cap for bitcoin, it is for the five billion dollars. -- $4 billion to $5 billion.
decimation: My college roommate lives in barbados. The smartest guy we went to school with. He full-time works on derivatives for bitcoin. There is this open source community with huge brain power and lots of seed money going in."
assbot: Fortress Investment Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: merge fanny and freddie with gs and jpm, suddenly you got something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the clever fellows who presently escape surveillance by eschewing mobile phones, will be collared at last << nbot really. just have procurement contract with select shop, order stuff pay on month's end.
decimation: well, the situation today is such that the Fed is the bank that underwrites all the banks
mircea_popescu: as usual, any attempts to tighten the noose past a certain level do more to chaff the thing
decimation: the only reason that USians don't open a checking account with the Fed is to spread around the bezzle
decimation: doesn't facebook make shadow accounts for people that have been uploaded by other lusers and whose faces appear on photos?
benkay: decimation who's working on btc derivs in barbados full time?
mircea_popescu: bounce: "did not happen"? << not in central and eastern eu, no.
decimation: Donno, apparenlty the ex-college roommate of this Michael Novogratz dude
benkay: lol for a sec i thought Donno was a human
decimation: According to La Wik apparently one of his college roommates was the head of trading at RBC Capitoal Markets: In 2006, he bought Robert De Niro's $12.25 million duplex in Manhattan's Tribeca neighborhood.[3] When he moved into De Niro's former residence, Mickey Rourke moved into Novogratz' former Meatpacking district residence.[2] He was college roommates with Richard Tavoso, head of global arbitrage and trading at RBC Capital Markets.[3][14]
decimation: He and his wife Dora "Sukey" Caceres have four children.[2][10] They also own a home in Amagansett.[10]
assbot: Michael Novogratz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: assbot: BitPay raising $30 million of capital, gives itself a $160 million valuation which is ridiculous | The Cryptocurrency Times << it's only ridiculous if you're some blogger with nary two meatballs to rub together in your stomach.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, something that's been worked at for years'd better be over 100mn or else wtf is going on
decimation: yeah even tiny businesses in the US should be able to get $15-20 million in revenue
mircea_popescu: jurov: bounce find me one bank that slashed fees by 60% << well my bank keeps trying to sell me on this deal whereby if i pay them 30 euros a month fixedx they'll cut their per tx fees to 0 for x txn and to 50% for all the rest.
mircea_popescu: except, i don't owe them 30 euros a month currently, so...
mircea_popescu: bounce: since you already cannot live without some bank account and they all charge more or less the same there's no way out of that << i've never had a personal bank accouint actually.
decimation: is it common that people pay with credit cards in Romania?
mircea_popescu: poor people (coupon hunter housewife types) and government employees.
mircea_popescu: if a merchant feels they need to ask, they'll ask "are you paying cash ?" or "would you be using cash or a cc ?"
jurov: in slovakia, they are quite common, but trying to pay < 10euro in small shops by card is considered rude or outright rejected
decimation: so most folk walk around with cash, unlike in the us
decimation: yeah there is something to physical currency, it will alway have a place
decimation: even if it's gold micrograms encased in lucite like Moldbug suggested
mircea_popescu: so according to bloomberg, the fact that bitcoin etf already exists is to be ignored, because unless fucktarded white friends of theirs come to help us, we are just a bunch of niggers over here.
decimation: This Eric balchunas apparently claims:
decimation: " I see the winklevii at conferences about bitcoin.
decimation: They have not really talked to anybody.
decimation: apparently you have to be invited to thier "conference"
decimation: Mircea, to be specific, unless some white guy in New York City is doing a bitcoin etf, it doesn't exist
fluffypony: what happens if you get a skin disease AND you have skin in the game?
mircea_popescu: decimation it's ok, these same people will need jobs ten years from now too.
decimation: it's funny how they are dividing themselves neatly into niggers.txt and non-niggers.txt
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i know a 1st year comp sci student looking for summer work if you think that might fit the data entry thing you're looking to get done.
mircea_popescu: "never interrupt your enemy while he's fucking himself with a pineaple."
decimation: especially when the pineapple has your face carved in it :)
mircea_popescu: your friend would maybe be well served to get hooked up with in here.
mike_c: he would. i believe he's a log lurker.
assbot: #america #freedom #libertarian #liberty #sarcasm
BingoBoingo: benkay: I hate when whales think they are dancers.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr bitcoin is politically neutral only in some sort of politically meaningless "absolute" sense. otherwise, inasmuch as western socialism holds the ideological view that all non socialist (politically neutral or otherwise) systems of thought are political enemies, bitcoin can only be politically-engaged from their perspective.
mircea_popescu: so let's not confuse things. bitcoin can be as neutral as you want, for you. for hitler, stalin, pol pot and obama, bitcoin is ~quite~ politically engaged.
mircea_popescu: to best understand this : a bank that reports its customers to any tax office they want to, if they want it to, and doesn't otherwise would be the embodiment of legal neutrality, in the absolute sense. nevertheless, the legal theory would be presented that it is in fact actgively engaged in criminal activity, and as shoddy as that legal teory may be, it will actually carry in most western courts.
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DrewHorne: so after speaking with you guys i have modified my approach on the bitcointalk forum
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DrewHorne: i know theres a lot of bullshit on there but there are some legitimate businessmen too if i can find the diamond amongst all the shit
DrewHorne: mircea i would be interested to see any feedback you might have for me to improve this post if you had a moment
assbot: Established music festival needs ~$1.25 million USD for 5 year plan, ROI = 5900%
DrewHorne: since i have had a few interested people contact me based off of the last post i made regarding this (approached much less professionally without knowledge of the forum i was getting into) i figured i can let this sit on the off chance that other investors happen upon it while i work on building my trust in the WOT to approach from that angle as well
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne what's the relation of all this with the Collins-Rector character and his merry harem of gay bois ?
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mircea_popescu: bounce: apparently the tweet is right there, in a <p class="js-tweet-text tweet-text"></p> << ahahaha this sort of shit.
DrewHorne: im afraid i dont have an answer for that mircea
DrewHorne: i assure you that i am not his newly adopted alias
mircea_popescu: but who were you going to sell to again, as the exit strategy ?
assbot: ssss: Shamir's Secret Sharing Scheme
Dimsler: music festibals are aweful
Dimsler: entertainment venues just suck as investments
danielpbarron: it's a default app in debian based systems i think; but openbsd doesn't have it
Dimsler: there isn't an exit strategy
Dimsler: popularity of the venue is the exit strategy
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, can i depend on it to protect bitcoin?
DrewHorne: there is though, when someone has stated publicly that they plan on acquiring $1 billion worth of electronic music festival related assets
DrewHorne: and we would be using multiple venues across the country
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if correctly implemented, you should be able to yes.
mircea_popescu: if not, many people, myself included, would love to hear about it
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Dimsler: sell $100 tickets? with 370k people annually?
bitcoinpete: gonna leave this here… now off to mother's day!
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne that was the other question i was going to ask. prev discussion you had gross income of 1.5mn over $40 tickets and 4k attendance. these numbers are a degree of magnitude off, what gives ?
☟︎ Dimsler: the income must be from a huge amount of venues
mircea_popescu: Dimsler no it was one concert in atlanta or florida or something
Dimsler: how is this going to grow in 5yrs
Dimsler: the type of valuations that hes suggesting is crazy
Dimsler: -There is a great opportunity to get in early in Atlanta, an unsaturated market full of potential that is blowing up
Dimsler: how many people are you going to bleed
Dimsler: 10x net profit for a standard established buisness
Dimsler: i think on something like a entertainment venue that can lose popularity max 4x profit
mircea_popescu: Dimsler well what's your prior experience in the field or why exactly do you think ?
fluffypony: Dimsler: I have nfi, I'm not in that space and don't know the location at all, I was just hazarding a guess :)
jurov: bitcoinpete you forgot to put pitbet referral in that link
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: maybe he's just silently agreeing with our comments :)
mircea_popescu: there's a silently perfect blog somewhere we're all silenty agreeing with im sure.
DrewHorne: so yea dimsler and fluffy that is accurate, we are planning to scale out over 5 years rather than up
DrewHorne: no other music festival has done that to the degree that we will be
DrewHorne: additionally we will have many small shows falling under the same brand name to increase brand awareness and build a following much faster than the traditional business model of one large show per year
benkay: can we get assbot to puke out actual log lines?
DrewHorne: we discussed that the event we have already thrown had a gross income of $1.5M?
DrewHorne: our average ticket price was probably about $60 since the majority bought tickets at the door or close to the event time
jurov: DrewHorne: are you going to sell tickets and pay some expenses in bitcoins?
DrewHorne: yes, we will offer discounted tickets if you purchase via bitcoin
DrewHorne: as well as purchasing goods and services with bitcoin that we are able to if it is a prudent decision
DrewHorne: bitcoin may very well save us some wire fees
DrewHorne: yes mircea that discussion was from the projected income statement of 2014
DrewHorne: that was not the income statement for the festival that has already occurred
DrewHorne: if you check out the thread i just posted it has 2 screenshots of the income statements from the finances
DrewHorne: the one for 2014 and the one for 2018
DrewHorne: the numbers you just linked are listed under cost of goods sold for 2014
mircea_popescu: and how the heck do you know within 10 dollars what your talent is going to cost ?
DrewHorne: but we can know what we will spend on talent
DrewHorne: which is completely independent of what specific acts end up costing
mircea_popescu: you can't know what it's going to cost but you can know what you're going to spend, within a blowjob ?
DrewHorne: these are just estimates obviously to help paint the picture
mircea_popescu: summarize for me in the same format the finances of the atlanta thing some people you may or may not be associated with actually organised, will ye.
DrewHorne: we have calculated padding in so that all of our costs should be less than what we have estimated them as
DrewHorne: also i can message you on facebook from the official lunar massive facebook page to confirm my involvement if that would help
DrewHorne: the finances i dont have on hand at the moment i would have to get them from one of my partners
Apocalyptic: <DrewHorne> also i can message you on facebook // really ? message mircea on facebook
mircea_popescu: we just don't know if you were involved as gofer or shot caller is all.
DrewHorne: well i can send you a screenshot of the admins of the page
DrewHorne: me, my 2 edmutual partners, my flashpoint agency partner and his associate
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be too happy about you posting admin screenshots if i were your partners
DrewHorne: i think you would agree that it would be more likely that the people in charge of the operation adminned the page, rather than that i just happened to have admin in addition to all of the other shot-callers
mircea_popescu: the comsec practiced by people IN THE BUSINESS is appaling.
DrewHorne: i mean their names are public already
mircea_popescu: either that or snowden was chief of us intel and i never knew.
DrewHorne: ill have to grab that financial info from one of the other partners like i said
mircea_popescu: so if the fucking secret services can't get their shit together, what am i gonna ask of concert promoters
DrewHorne: believe me or not lol, i'll get back to you with it in a couple days
benkay: <DrewHorne> i think you would agree that it would be more likely that the people in charge of the operation adminned the page, rather than that i just happened to have admin in addition to all of the other shot-callers // or you're the social media guy, how do i know
DrewHorne: do none of yall use social media at all?
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mircea_popescu: i think some heretics here do have facebooks but won't admit it because they still wanna be counted as cool
assbot:
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assbot:
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mircea_popescu: CheckDavid do you periodically ask about colored coins or is my memory just failing me ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ?
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benkay: o lookie bravetheworld joined us
hanbot: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ? << llamacea
assbot: #america #freedom #libertarian #liberty #sarcasm
benkay: ;;gettrust princessnell
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dudesir: So I can speak? Thanks Mircea
dudesir: Oh, im some dude on the internet. Lol. we chatted a month or so ago, I asked about MPex and stuff
dudesir: I came here again on the same topic... just wanted to ask you a quick question
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can that also include a totalisator at bottom ?
dudesir: the fees for joining... you said 30 BTC... is that going to stay in BTC value, if it goes up (im assuming it would stay) or pegged to fiat, and if you will let people know if/when it goes up (twitter or something)
kakobrekla: prolly but dunno if that is helpful much
mircea_popescu: dudesir "That fee was waived for about a month during the beta, so at the very least it'd have to be a combination of extortion with laziness. Then it was 20 BTC. Now it's 30 BTC. The fee is projected to keep going up for the undetermined future."
kakobrekla: im hoping mike_c will come up with some anal tools for this
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mircea_popescu: bravetheworld so are you seriously trying to sell me on the concept that "basic bitch" is... an adjective ?
dudesir: Mircea, so will it be sprung upon us or will you let us know? ... I don't have much funds but I would very much like to be included at some point and will try to do so according to my ..money
mircea_popescu: dudesir you know you can just use a broker ? it makes little sense to acquire a mpex seat out of your last bitcoins.
bravetheworld: I'm more interested in "selling" the idea of bitcoin is a tool for liberation
dudesir: Right, I suppose I want a seat for more a more ethereal presitigious reason at this point as I am still unclear on the benefits.
dudesir: I guess that is good for now, I'll do more research when I have the time and come back when I have more to discuss. Thanks Mircea
mircea_popescu: should you be free of it, you couldn't date for being a puddle on the floor.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I was wondering if you have a source for one of your claims about the bitcoin foundation
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mircea_popescu: HeySteve it would seem to me you just cited the source ?
mircea_popescu: i do not run some sort of braindamaged online encyclopedia. i run the font of truth.
HeySteve: well you know, statements in the public record by foundation members is what I was looking for
decimation: since ancient times, it has been known that the only coherent work of knowledge is that which arises from one mind
kakobrekla: meh i get 'sorry this video is not available in your region'
mircea_popescu: HeySteve to repurpose decimation's earlier link, the foundation members couldn't answer for themselves as far as tonight.
HeySteve: I would need more evidence to back such claims if I publish them
bravetheworld: +mirces_popescu regarding my classification of "basic bitch" as an adjective (although I use it as a noun in the video) I see it as a description of a state of mind.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve you will need to do a lot of research to enter such complex field anyway.
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jurov: dudesir you can do the research using coinbr, right now and with 0.1btc only
mircea_popescu: to make short work of it, either i'm a curmudgeon or else words don't really have the power you think they do.
benkay: mircea_popescu: you? a curmudgeon?
bravetheworld: you don't know what I think, or else you think you have a power you don't really have
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princessnell: bravetheworld what was the general response to your video?
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu ahhh the age of communicating through cultural references is upon us
chetty: hey there, was looking at the earlier logs
chetty: I haven{t seen a cc used in a month
mircea_popescu: bravetheworld you know, that's the definition of scholarship.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I'm willing to do the research
mircea_popescu: chetty all it needs is a lake of stu one can paddle around in a big canoe and we're all there
chetty: yes benkay I am currently there, BA
bravetheworld: +mircea_popescu top of /bitcoin, publicly endorsed by Andreas antonopoulos, charlie shrem, amir taaki, wired writer andy greenberg..etc. then some guy who hated my anti-feminist work posted me on /cringe :D so got some hate from people who don't know what bitcoin is...basic bitches
benkay: anyways hang out for a while bravetheworld
bravetheworld: im trying to figure out how to correctly participate
chetty: anyway, I am liking the world without all the plastic
mircea_popescu: to quote mpoe-pr from two hours ago on a totally different topic, " interesting to see where people's musing and fascination get them, dead right in some places, idiosyncratically caulked in others".
bravetheworld: I recently got asked to write for bitcoin magazine, so I'm finishing up bitcoin's declaration of independence to publish with them
mircea_popescu: haha. i suppose la serenissima carries no meaning with you ?
benkay: chetty: do you find it a bit run down at the corners?
mike_c: what kind of totaliser are you looking for? I think I already have 3 different kinds
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CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: I praise you for being a good troll
chetty: not really, many parts of US are worse
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid what's this, the famous last words competition ?
mircea_popescu: bravetheworld anyway, to make the cultural references plain : the idea that bitcoin is a superstate, and well independent already is not novel.
mircea_popescu: just, not the sort of literature taaki or anonowhoever can read.
chetty: well perhaps its time they did
assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
CheckDavid: Why do you direct a question at me in the channel and don't voice?
mike_c: i will have something similar to that in place soon. and kako could easily tie it into assbot.
mircea_popescu: bravetheworld nono, dun bristle at me. i'm not trying to eat you.
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu most people interested in bitcoin miss this. I want people to understand, i want to make it clear. because it is denied and shrugged off, or just missed
chetty: mark your calendars, MP is peaceful
benkay: or you could hang out with people who already get it, bravetheworld
benkay: chetty: he's also not trying to eat the young lady.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: do you prefer if I pm you?
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i don't think our relationship is advanced enough for that yet.
CheckDavid: Then why do you direct a question at me in the channel and don't voice?
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu i do. i met Charlie, I chill with Amir and Cody...I converse with the community (recently) ...but I want others to understand.
mircea_popescu: because i don't keep a very neat accounting of who's voiced.
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu i didn't fully get it myself until I was exposed to this community, so I understand why other don't either
mircea_popescu: "Fifth day of living only on Bitcoin: I pay for ramen & strippers with the cryptocash"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck pays for strippers and ramen. do those go together in any possible universe ?!
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu peter todd is nice too. and mr. jeff tucker also said some insightful things to me about bitcoin. i try to keep my ears open u know
princessnell: bravetheworld he's all about the #brand. i don't trust him.
princessnell: bravetheworld but he will boost if you need it.
benkay: liberty.me has a facebook login
bravetheworld: +princessnell nonetheless, he said "Bitcoin is a model for the future of humanity" i do like that
mircea_popescu: benkay i believe the expression is "words collide". they just did.
mircea_popescu: i am savouring the temporary silence of the original aftershock.
princessnell: bravetheworld just be weary is all. he is really pozzed out. wouldn't take kindly 2 yr antifeminism for instance.
benkay: my tiny little brain can't cope
mircea_popescu: princessnell wait, how did she slip that past anton's radar ?
bravetheworld: +princessnell really? he watched some of my videos..(or so he said) and was very sweet in person
bravetheworld: +princessnell i KEEP hearing this. but he's married and Christian no? because of course that means a lot these day...but he seemed to have a ron paulian grandfather charm to him. but alas, I am only a naive girl
mircea_popescu: bravetheworld so did you get nom-nom-inated for the foundation journalism of great insight awards ?
princessnell: bravetheworld ya, i know him IRL. reports from many of my friends. can't invite him to certain events bc of it.
bravetheworld: princessnell Oh shit "IRL" taked me back to my WoW days
benkay: my posting career // WTH AM I LOOKING AT
mircea_popescu: benkay there's a number of underbeliies to the internet, son.
mircea_popescu: i was hoping we can shield you from this truth for longer
benkay: the wacky underbelly isn't what surprises me, it's the..."motherfucking salon"
benkay: lol ya trigger warning tyvm
benkay: srsly people i gave you all day with that one.
jurov: um... er... last 15 mins is like multilayered inside joke
jurov: not getting any of that
mircea_popescu: hory shilt!!! i knew that skinnkavaj name sounded familiar, check this out :
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mircea_popescu: but basically some girls showed up and broke the variety speak.
jurov: and how comes bengay got it?
assbot: Imagine having daily conversations with Steve Jobs in the early 80′s or Mayer Rothschild in the early 1800′s. /Mircea_Popescu is like that.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I'm going to link to the article and say you alleged 1, 2 & 3 but declined to provide evidence.
mircea_popescu: a twitter guy. he doesn't wanna come to here i don't think
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, all right cool. I'm covering this Brock Pierce mess and urging TBF to clean up their act
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu applebaum follows you...jelly. what a hearttrobb
assbot: Imagine having daily conversations with Steve Jobs in the early 80′s or Mayer Rothschild in the early 1800′s. /Mircea_Popescu is like that.
benkay: bravetheworld: mircea_popescu runs mpex, kakobrekla runs bitbet, jurov runs coinbr, davout runs bitcoin-central, chetty runs eulora, hanbot runs the whips, and that's about all the notables
benkay: i kid. everyone in here's notable.
benkay: somewhere in between is the truth.
mircea_popescu: dooglus runs just dice, BingoBoingo runs the drinking record, benkay runs in circles
benkay: bitcoinpete runs bitcoinpete
benkay: not as well as tiberius, though
mircea_popescu: lampelina runs kakobrekla, pigeons runs messages, ThickAsThieves used to run passhtroughs
jurov: Apocalyptic runs x-bt
mircea_popescu: fluffypony runs all the shitty altcoins i can't remember
mike_c: i run the most powerful blog in btc, capable of moving market caps 30% in a single day.
benkay: kakobrekla also runs assbot
mircea_popescu: while his wife is waiting for him to come to bed alfuckingready
Apocalyptic: capable of moving market caps 30% in a single day. // on the ATC/BTC market maybe
benkay: i have trouble controlling a single pwm drive
jurov: lol even Ukyo is still on, with his disciple dotcoin on guest appearances
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic no cause he fudded mpex and it dropped once
HeySteve: I run my mouth on a news site and might do some more interesting stuff in future
mircea_popescu: bravetheworld i'm not bisexual except in the sense that i fuck women in both holes
benkay: thestringpuller used to trade options
jurov: ...except in the sense that i fuck women in both holes<< that's bidirectional
mircea_popescu: justusranvier runs the sanity of bitcoin during his rare moments of clarity
jurov: mircea_popescu no, that's bilateral
benkay: no the bash runs on vexual
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benkay: asciilifeform makes widgets and is more of a smug lisp weenie than me
benkay: he runs his own thing?
benkay: he runs his own thing.
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno what fucking you've been to, but there's nothing motherfucking lateral about it.
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jurov: adjective: lateral : of, at, towards, or from the side or sides.
benkay: mircea_popescu: but out there for his clients he runs his own thing.
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu & benkay do you mind if I ask what you guys do? or let me rephrase. what is your participation in bitcoin? just interested to know the crowd
benkay: i acquire bitcoins by building things. sometimes i have to take some other paper first.
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mircea_popescu: i'm the richest guy you've ever met, and if i can help it, the richest guy you'll ever meet.
bravetheworld: mircea_popescu don't consider this meeting but noted
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bravetheworld: I remember being on silk road and almost getting some bitcoin for drug purposes
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete dude it wasn't in my back yard, it was at like a hotel and everything.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete i also don't own half of every stock, such as for instance s.nsa, where i'm an implied minority (via ssws)
benkay: implying there's a difference, bravetheworld.
benkay: i do business consulting. occasionally the procurement of software gets involved.
benkay: less frequently of late the procurement of actual parts gets involved, but that may change.
bravetheworld: benkay> sounds like you're building a secret android
bravetheworld: lady-droid for fun fun or the grilling of steaks please
benkay: ;;google trilema too much money
bounce selflessly offers to soak up the excess monies
benkay: anyways bravetheworld we take identity pretty seriously around here. consider getting yourself into the #bitcoin-otc web of trust so you can hang out and talk more without the incessant
benkay: ;;google bitcoin wot beginners guide
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
benkay: "random naked females can be returned by"
benkay: is ozbot even running?
benkay: ping if you hit a wall.
benkay: ;;google perfect gpg keypair
bravetheworld: benkay thank you again. i got to be on my grind now, take care all. nice "meeting" you :)