adlai: CLM is thoroughly bitrot ;_;
phf: if naggum wrote his emacs, or at the very least started one, then i wouldn't be necessarily stuck without a text editor i could trust or work with (hemlock being a particularly bad implementation, and emacs corrupted beyond redemption, etc)
phf: and even if the kommuniti picked it up and fucked it up we could've still had a "tmsr version -- last naggum release" baseline or whatever
☟︎ mod6: hey, thanks trinque o7
mod6: Got the next number of days off here. Gonna try to hit the ground running here in July.
trinque does not want to eventually say "if asciilifeform had built his computer"
trinque: phf: isn't the reason he didn't that he was that car without fuel?
trinque: my reaction to GPL earlier has to do with that. we're all lamenting the wreckage, and wasn't it precisely that too many morons got involved in the craft?
☟︎ trinque: how is a naggum supposed to do anything if software is free
trinque: or if alf's computer is free
trinque: I could see myself sharing technology with someone if I see that it benefits me in some way, or at large if it has some strategic benefit to me, and not otherwise in service to a philosophical code
trinque: I don't lament that there isn't some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can't spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer
☟︎ phf: you can lament over both, and work towards both goals
phf: not that you have time of course :)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:30 phf: funny how a lot of these ideas have been explored, grokked and then promptly not accepted
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not going to be a proxy gabriel!
trinque: phf: there's bad economic technology at the root of the rotten tree of computing, is my meandering rant
trinque: me either. still a problem.
trinque: could very well be that computing is for the nephews of 2100s Lords.
phf: that sounds more lafond than mp ;)
phf: oh shit, mp's back, act busy
mircea_popescu: yeah, why the fuck not, type pipes every time, cus it's so fucking hard to have a switch.
mircea_popescu: you know what, du has no reason to even list things other than by size
mircea_popescu: next grep is going to need a switch to actually search
mircea_popescu: and then | du for good measure. because what it could possibly be needed for
phf: blood and tears of windows users
mircea_popescu: in other news, backup process silently fails because move file > 4gb
phf: so plan9 actually got rid of find. you're supposed to use `du|grep` for that
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 15:23 mircea_popescu: if the item in question is uploaded via ssh-mysql directly, phpmyadmin (common mysql interface) dies when trying to say "edit" the column, and wordpress itself fails to pipe the content to apache.
trinque mistrusts anything other than rsync for this
trinque: tried baculas and duplicities and all other manner of bullshit
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:33 phf: or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis)
mircea_popescu: you know what else was "explored, groked and then... '''not accepted'''" ? linen.
mircea_popescu: shoes for women that actually work. you know, to walk in.
adlai: amazingly enough software has a halflife even when at rest. CLM doesn't compile today.
adlai: (and the bugs are literal bitrot. random # appears in between ', because it feels like it)
mircea_popescu: but yes, you're entirely correct in that there's no such thing as "scientific knowledge", in the sense of a sort of secret football team in the sky that plays and wins for the average derp, once each day and twice on sunday.
adlai: try it. it's in walk.lisp.
phf: adlai: clm is not "compile all files without thinking" system
adlai: then why does the .asd have one file, "all.lisp"
phf: there aren't allegroisms in there
phf: all.lisp does some very specific things
phf: and it will fail earlier then it has to touch walk.lisp (i'm pretty sure)
adlai: mircea_popescu: amazingly, the last doctor i saw told me that i have two choices: take the meds, or don't... but tell people you're off them
adlai: because he thinks i should never touch any drug ever. i didn't ask about coffee or glucose but myeah.
adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw!
phf: adlai: i think that bit is just typo, the '# switch, since that's essentially dead code for all practical purposes
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:59 phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 00:02 phf: and even if the kommuniti picked it up and fucked it up we could've still had a "tmsr version -- last naggum release" baseline or whatever
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493859 << honestly, gpl, like everything else, started from the wrong premise. an expectation that "all people" WILL wreck your life, and everything you touch. all things, be they science, be they politics, be they family, love, art, whatever the fuck they be - are exactly that, a conversation between A SPECIAL KIND of people over whatever time and space expanses. nothing is open to the "com
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 00:12 trinque: my reaction to GPL earlier has to do with that. we're all lamenting the wreckage, and wasn't it precisely that too many morons got involved in the craft?
mircea_popescu: the moment the bs with "everyone" and "anyone" and so on starts, the game's lost, all that's to be still established is the exact manner in which the fuck-up will manifest. but the fuck-up is already baked in at that early point.
mircea_popescu: of course, as the legendary fool who's shown the moon and looks at the finger, people will then debate "what did it", in terms of, you know, if only we flavoured communism shit with THIS vanilla bean!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 00:15 trinque: I don't lament that there isn't some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can't spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer
mircea_popescu: the correct model i think is sex. sex is free, to the asker ; it goes for a song. but it depends which asker and what song.
mircea_popescu: but in other lulz, my first computer cost, in ppp, about 200k in today's usd.
mircea_popescu: salaries at the time 2-4k or so rol/mo ; rol to usd ~100 ; machine cost like 1800 or so if memory serves.
mircea_popescu: the only difference between actual people and the us scumbags is that someone apparently told the latter they have a say.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 00:48 asciilifeform: 'linux is free if yer time has 0 value!11' (tm) (r)
phf: or got alan kay'd (guy owns connection machine)
adlai: reading SoTRB, lemme get this straight: it's impossible to download openssl without... openssl?
phf: does he still have it?
phf: don't tell me things like that
phf: fwiw she threw out a rembrandt, since it could be sold for 10-20-30k?
phf: yeah, you're refusing to sell it, is what it is :>
phf: list it on ebay, say "buyer figures out shipping options", it'll got for 4-5k
phf: yeah, nobody will expect you to
phf: you know that people who do these kind of things understand the issue :)
mircea_popescu: gotta love these boxes doing 7MB/s tho. for srs. 3gb in 7 minutes ? sign me up
phf: asciilifeform: your buyer will pay it, is my point
phf: asciilifeform: buyer will be very sad, recap it, test it, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know there is such a thing in business as "FOB"
phf: for example i bought an xl1201, it's been sitting at a friend's place in seattle for 8 months now, because it's waiting for me to go there in person and pick it up myself
mircea_popescu: "free on board". come pick it up ; if you don't we throw it in the water.
phf: asciilifeform: if you're serious about selling it, i can make it happen. only reason i've not been pursuing this line, is because you're preemptively sabotaging the whole thing
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're mixing things. (the item) is not = (the item) + (transport service for the item). you can't want "the item" to net you top dollars through sometyhing that's not the item.
adlai: btw, the way to get something sold is to pay a salesman commission.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as economic inefficiencies, yeah.
adlai: last i checked, tmsr has an ex-salesman? or at least a blogger who blogs a lot about how to sell
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it'd be better to recruit a local than to make someone leave warm sunny canada!
mircea_popescu: and as a general fucking principle : make girlfriends, yo, don't figure out how to all be buttbudies.
adlai: i don't think you sell a lispm door-to-door
phf: asciilifeform: last time we talked about i basically got an impression that you don't want to sell it, which has been reconfirmed by this conversation, which is unfortunate since there are people who would actually put it to good use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trust, what trust. trade with 'em, fuck 'em , and so following.
adlai: how about you sell me a call on it
mircea_popescu: nobody's saying to eatr with them, pray with them, etc.
adlai: ie, you keep it, not for sale, and i pay rent
adlai: phf outbids me and that's how markets are born
phf: adlai: i don't actually need it, i have an xl1201, which i bought after i realized asciilifeform is not going to sell his one. but i know at least 3 people that will pay recent ebay prices for it
mircea_popescu: the buyer also has to shave her snatch and milk > 1 cup per teat.
mircea_popescu: and if any redheads show signs of getting pregnant for this purpose, it'll be no gingers.
adlai reminds that his plan fell through to to problems on his own end
adlai: specifically, people liking to pay usg taxes
adlai: inb4 "those are not 'people'"
mircea_popescu: phf you laugh at him all you want, but his mental process is sensible, or at least common. if you think about it, why exactly is it that most wives aren't being turned out as we speak ?
phf: i'm not even laughing, i'm mostly pissed
adlai: would you be willing to show a non-technical (but intelligent) visitor that it works?
phf: his objections are bogus, even the time/money thing, and they go through the usual asciilifeform escalations. thing can be taken of his hands within a week, for $5k or so, with no effort on his part, besides "take it to the front porch when a man gets there"
adlai has relatives close to alf
adlai: they don't have to visit your house, but i never said maryland
adlai will get back on this issue, unless phf's meatwot beats his meatwot to the meatpunch
phf: mircea_popescu: that's what i figured
mats: Microsoft's 'Office 365' choked today
mats: work was not fun, i think virtually everyone with 365 was unable to send or receive external mail
mats: fucking cloud services
mircea_popescu: if you DID have it, you wouldn't sell the 3620. because great.
phf: my first attempted motorcycle purchase went exactly like this. i show up, and the bike's fucking spiffy, a honda cafe racer conversion. i saw it on craigslist, research all the things, etc. etc. the conversation went something like "check out this thing that i did to this bike – ooh yeah it's cool, so i want to pick it up – yeah i replaced the pipe from this one to this other one - yeah i saw the original this is much better, so i want to pick
phf: it up - oh and the seat is leather - very classy so i want to pick it up - anyway, maybe you should think about it - nah i want to pick it up - well give it a day or something - ... ok i'll pick it up tomorrow" haven't heard anything from the guy.
BingoBoingo: * adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw! << Or he wants a baseline adlai without lsd...
BingoBoingo: Was that still the missing other deedbot- job?
mircea_popescu: trinque hey seriously, no way to deed ? since whenever ?
mircea_popescu: " not one of the every other countries that likes cocaine too" << "not one of the other countries where they like cocaine too"
mircea_popescu: did they decide to make it about being nice to fat women instead ?
mircea_popescu: "nonprofit, nonpartisan" sounds like it's a clinton-for-president thing
BingoBoingo: Clintonese is a New York dialect that Pretends to be a hillbilly Arkansas tongue until it can use its husand like the first stage of a rocket for its own political career
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 13:22 mircea_popescu: shinohai kinda why i put this in the open, so people can come up with a good name maybe.
trinque: the thing does more than one command now
trinque: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu ^
trinque: I'll make sure that one goes through, and $deed will work in a few min
trinque: there aren't any feed commands; I just put them in the db
trinque: I'm over here pulling at his guts
trinque: BingoBoingo: is that the one from earlier?
trinque: already went, but my node doesn't see it yet for some reason
trinque: node's like 20 blocks behind because reasons
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 05:35 trinque: ^ updated with $deed
deedbot: DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Morning Senor Popescu how goes it?
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shinohai: Nice here, having some tea and watching sunrise.
shinohai: I need to go out to store before all the 4th-of-July derps clog up the roads.
mircea_popescu: im having rum and watching butts rise. altogether a wash!
shinohai: Rum sounds like an excellent idea, may pick up a bottle later.
thestringpuller: also shinohai how can you stand driving in your area? I was there during rush hour last night and think I had a minor stroke.
shinohai: thestringpuller: I don't have a job other than trb/Qntra
shinohai: Don't drive either, I use taxis :D
shinohai: You too can sit at home all day if you allow an undocumented worker hit you with a forklift!
shinohai: mircea_popescu: Which one are you drinking? I see like 7 types of Havana club for sale.
thestringpuller: Oh wow! Sorry to hear that happened :( At least you can work on real stuff now? (Brighter side of darkness?)
mircea_popescu: and sometimes i actually edit files straight from bash.
shinohai: I dislike nano because I like having line #'s displayed
mircea_popescu: doing some research in the bowels of trilema i fell upon
http://trilema.com/2014/the-internet-race-gap/ "So to sum up : the average number of black people on the Internet is, on average, about 15% lower than the average numer of black people on the Internet as far as we can see - and it's probably even worse as far as we can't see."
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, i don't always care. i like nano when it's a simple matter of "i know what i'm looking for, but approximately, so it's easier to ctrl-w and look at context than to grep string"
mircea_popescu: and ctrl-c will give you position, which in my head beats line count.
shinohai: John McAfee to start a hydroelectric Bitcoin mining operation, becomes target of Chinese mining cartels.
shinohai: I wonder what happened to his "blockchain sekoority" venture.
mircea_popescu: which is why the sub-normals end up gathered around doorways. they approach a threshold, get all panicked, stop. then eventually they cross it, at which point - mindblank.
mircea_popescu: most idiots take 15 minutes to clear two feet if you put any sort of arch, gate or door there.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 15:46 mircea_popescu: it's why nsa fails so badly. all their budget goes to filling the barn, ~none to guarding the barn.
phf: “A judge in Virginia rules that people should have no expectation of privacy on their home PCs because no connected computer "is immune from invasion."”
mircea_popescu: "females should have no expectation of control over the usage of their girly bits, because well.... oooobviously".
mircea_popescu: if she's old enough to walk, she's not imune from ravishment, amirite.
phf: $s judge Virginia privacy
shinohai: mircea_popescu, this may be one of my favourite Trilema posts evah.
shinohai: lulzy. Much better than trolling x user with a downvote script.
shinohai likes the crafty, rum-swigging mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: (note also you have no proof it was me! because the signature doesn't check out!)
mircea_popescu: woman is a superbly engineered piece of machinery ; can take incredible amts of abuse
phf: that's an oglaf strip right there
shinohai: I dunno what mp's answer is, but FOR THE LULZ!
mircea_popescu: we can't be spammed. web-anything "social media" or whatever you call the bullshit - can. this advantage must be a) kept sharp and b) driven through.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perfectly fine way to win a war, don your scuba diving suit and drown the place.
mircea_popescu: there's a humongo strategic difference between "no alternative exists" and "we don't like the alternative as it contradicts our ideology". bitcoin is the ur-example of how to drive this through.
mircea_popescu: that reddit is not worth a dime alltogether is true ; yet there's an ample supply of these idiots who think otherwise. why not help them get their "traffics" ?
mircea_popescu: well i wasn't about to teach you how to cat, curl and sed was i.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the article is in fact linked first thing in the piece, or did you have another in mind ?
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: have you ever considered becoming a glass blower?
gabriel_laddel: Not especially, but was brainstorming products to sell in SA (south america) that are a PITA to get into / create here in the USSA
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: I for one would like to be able to buy pyrex, and not the re-branded crap either.
phf: would make you millions with granola crowd
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:26 asciilifeform: simple pocket spectroscope that would let you distinguish shit-faux-pyrex from the real on, in a shop.
shinohai: asciilifeform I suppose to not have equipment send flying shards of glass and nasty chemiclas all into face
shinohai: There was local "law-enforcement" advisory in the area once, asking citizens to report suspicious buyers of old glassware at yard sales.
☟︎ shinohai: Because totally gonna use that to make crystal instead of brownies.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-29 20:07 asciilifeform: owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code)
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: ey ben_vulpes, can I get you to crank that knob in nginx sometime today?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 03:22 mircea_popescu: church of x is a little dubious neh ?
hanbot: asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
☟︎ phf: probably just found somebody who has their shit sufficiently together to follow up on a sales lead without much prodding
phf: davout: too late, all the action is happening in #trilema-trinque
jurov: trinque: what a stratagem!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 13:04 shinohai: In other news, r/btc is celebrating this morning imagining that angry miners will soon adopt Classic and usher in the fork.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 16:02 ascii_deadfiber: i expect a shift of resources back to the 'corrode bitcoin' stratagem, vs the 'pump shitcoin'
mircea_popescu: jurov * Cannot join #trilema-jurov (Channel is invite only). << you're not too shabby yourself :D
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:25 gabriel_laddel: Not especially, but was brainstorming products to sell in SA (south america) that are a PITA to get into / create here in the USSA
mircea_popescu: there's nothing the us can make that the thirld world needs and couldn't make. kinda why we're here in the first place, libertards ruined "the civilised world".
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:27 phf: would make you millions with granola crowd
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:29 gabriel_laddel: ^ another fun thing to do in irl ba
mircea_popescu: o holy shit the uncleal link. casimir effect ?! bejesus.
mircea_popescu: "When a technology matures into a cash cow and then grows old, research into subtle undiscovered potentials abates in the name of cost-cutting. The neon sign has been common for a half-century and more. It is obvious that nothing remains to be discovered. There is no further technology to evolve, there are no new art forms to explore, there is no possible cross-fertilization with other disciplines" <<< al has an excellet poin
mircea_popescu: t. it is not only, and not principally, and arguably barely at all the sin of inept us management that it drives the productive forces of its slave empire into dead ends.
mircea_popescu: the true sin is that it pretends to seal off all sorts of good parts.
mircea_popescu: that cost the us 100 bucks, there's ten "this is a solved problem" idiocies that cost 100 mn each.
deedbot: plp voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: spoonzy_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and in other incredibly postmodern lulz :
https://archive.is/zhCZf << postmodern art must be translated, so : fbi.gov has a banner roller just like any wanna-be "news site^Hmedia property" of the "mainsteam" variety. on this roller, because they apparently ran out of photographs or photography, in the age of the most abundant photographism, they have a picture of a lcd screen. that lcd screen depicts material originated from
mircea_popescu: them, and not pleading in favour of their intelligence, organisational importance or general sanity : they captured some black chick that shat her unwanted baby in a toilet and flushed. THIS is a "top 10 fugitive".
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:31 asciilifeform: and if you ask mircea_popescu it is difficult to get so much as a stapler in buenos aires
hanbot: the guy actually took out a second lace from a pair of shoes he was trying to sell and gave me that one to go with.
mircea_popescu: if i were a younger, innocent verision of myself, like the quoted alf has the unspeakable advantage of being, i'd disbelieve this story.
trinque: I guess now if you went in it'd read "from his pair of shoes he was trying to sell"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:27 asciilifeform: (the owners of the trademark are cashing in, in the familiar american style, by selling exploding junk glass instead)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:39 asciilifeform: incidentally before the invention of borosilicate glass, it was customary for chemists to blow their own labware.
mircea_popescu: borosilicate glass tubage of any diameter you wanted was ~40 cents per kg.
ben_vulpes: shitty products are a viable strategy when nobody remembers quality.
ben_vulpes: quality is also expensive, and if the engineers not managed, can readily turn into an unbounded downside cost.
jurov: even "defined by ISO 3585 stadard"
jurov: i did break some, but always mechanically, never by heat/cold cycle
shinohai: o/ jurov my coin.br account isn't reflecting monthly fees? Or do you add those manually?
jurov: i did not do them yet
jurov: it's perhaps just brand blindness that borosilicate glass ==== pyrex
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 16:44 shinohai: There was local "law-enforcement" advisory in the area once, asking citizens to report suspicious buyers of old glassware at yard sales.
mircea_popescu: jurov iirc it has an eukramic point, much like say carbon in steel. not just "some proportion", but a curve with some inflexion points.
mircea_popescu: jurov it's not just that it's "glass with borax in it", much like steel isn't just "iron with carbon in it"
mircea_popescu: or if you mean the other thing, eu, good, krama, alloy. same linguistic principle as eutectic, (teksis = melting).
jurov: SIMAX glass claims to comply to ISO 3585 standard for borosilicate glass,
jurov: it's widely used here and I never heard it failed because of cold/heat
jurov: only mechanically broken
jurov: so I think it's just some UStards latched on "pyrex" and are rightly milked by brand owner
mircea_popescu: folks can test in 3 seconds "social media" site of "their choice" is neither , nor secure.
mircea_popescu: more women use king.com apps than any sort of glass vessel! 10:1!
jurov: i dun see how spectroscope helps with "it-must-be-called-pyrex"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is a chick contorting herself in an insane position so her own urine dribble falls in her own mouth while some standing guy is also pissing in her mouth.
jurov: well, ask for 'borosilicate kettle acc. to ISO standard'. and get some degree burns and sue them and get rich
mircea_popescu: thing about glass is - perfect material in low energy envelope.
mircea_popescu: so i posit to you that your problem is not even slightly a matter of "wrong knife", along the lines of, "if only i had hyfdrofluoric acid - could melt glass", but more of low energy. you wish to amass moar power not more knowledge, to dent teh pot.
mircea_popescu: it's always a little disappointing when i hit the last lines of the logs ;/
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 18:48 hanbot: asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> borosilicate glass tubage of any diameter you wanted was ~40 cents per kg. << What about 8 meter borosilicate for Venusian culverts?
BingoBoingo: So can't even make proper house to sewer pipe
jurov: Qntra shares distributed.
jurov: there seems to be some snag with coinbr or mpex, as every month recently, looking into it
shinohai: It's mpex I believe, 404 here.
BingoBoingo: Rule #97 Every MPEx proxy is always inaccessible from some point at some time
trinque: jurov: teh command is $deed