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funkenstein_: Lafond: "who cares about the details of the case, lets discuss the melination of those involved"
funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 04:13 mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands:
http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:30 BingoBoingo: shinohai: rewrite, add links to prior qntra
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ plox liquidate and send proceeds - your fee to 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR thanks.
mircea_popescu: so here's a question/job for any ai/machine reading afficionados :
mircea_popescu: currently, trilema title redirects one if clicked ot a random (english language) article. what i'd want it to do is to redirect one to a randomly chosen ~related~ article.
mircea_popescu: how do you establish relatedness of texts 500-1k words long out of a list of thousands ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:57 funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail
mircea_popescu: a large factor that collapsed "the quaint institution" (from the pov of the insiders, mind, who cares what foreigners think) was the sheer inability of distinguishing at the edges. "why is this white man black ?" "book sez so"
mircea_popescu: generally, linking societal preeminence to phenotype has the major disadvantage that men (and no, NOT women, as the claim is currently fashionable among wanna-be republicans without the republic) broadly prefer to fuck socially inferior women.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: friend actually wrote is masters thesis on this iirc (not that you care about appeals to bureaucracy, i know) on this, i can later check for linx. new shit in town is compositional distributional models of semantics. see
http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/activities/compdistmeaning/ - also i can dig up our application for funding for doing what you want to do i think :D
mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger ehehehe i'd read what you dig up, so by all means.
Framedragger: lol @ title on that cs.ox page "meets quantum info flow".. it's just that they use cool shit from category theory, tensors, etc.. but need to be careful not to be drawn into believing a priori what the people in the tower say
mircea_popescu: uuuuu "i fucking love science, look at all deze galaxy catpictures"
mircea_popescu: wtf is "quantum info flow" supposed to even be ? what random exotic property of subatomic scale did they arbitrarily decide to use the wrong word for ? is it lorenzian flow, ie, if you face it head on you discover there's really not that much, for it somehow contracts, whereas from aside it seemed like there's a lot ? i noticed this property!
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's schroedingerian flow, ie, it's only there if you don't look. like social media utility.
mircea_popescu: or maybe something something relativistic something ? another word they raped with the flaming globes of zigmund.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ima skip the pdf for want of a blowtorch, but lessee the other.
mircea_popescu: (ftr my idea was to enumerate all words that appear more than once less than a dozen times in the whole article body, then consider "related" articles which diverge from the average in the same way on the same words, with arbitrary cut-offs. none of which is anything but 1800 tech)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what.
☟︎ Framedragger: heheh.. natural language folks actually employ NLP all the time, though it's become a bit of a catch-all shitty acronym, like A.I.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger except anyone with money remembers it as "neuro linguistic programming"
Framedragger: all in academic circles (i can hear our snort from here heh:D ) resolve it to the other reference, mind you
Framedragger: yeah you know what, re. your idea, this is shit overwhelming, i'd also start with what you had in mind.. and think of simple markov models, etc.
mircea_popescu: fucking academia. in the rare cases they have a sane link, it's because they couldn't link to a list of pdfs from within their excel spreadsheet.
Framedragger: p.s. so you don't read PDFs out of principle/security? i hear you.. but now i want to write some simple on-demand pdf to html converter just so i can send you goddamn PDFs to look at
mircea_popescu: Framedragger asciilifeform had some sort of convertor either.
mircea_popescu: but i don't read them out of principle, yeah. nothing to do with security per se, it's all political. in general i don't wish to encourage adobe ("oh, we couldn't do without them" bullshit, it's exactly the "Social media network effect matters" sole argument of usg it corporatardia) and in particular i don't think very much of what someone who expresses themselves in pdf might think or say. much like i wouldn't have read nigg
mircea_popescu: er speech in 1750, because who the fuck cares what some voodoo practitioners think of any topic whatsoever.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but this means you preemptively dismiss, say (as an offhand example), lotsa mathematicians who put their stuff as preprints on arXiv and the likes. (generated with free software and renderable with free software (but, yes, using a shitty proprietary-wannabe format nonetheless))
mircea_popescu: seriously, someone who uses pdf is a mathematician in the sense condolezza rice was an expert and obama a nobel prize winner.
Framedragger: ..and then they render to pdf. but yeah good people also link to tex source on their websites, true..
mircea_popescu: like the guy was asking yest "am i still welcome here", what the fuck do i care what they do to it. they can take the thing and put it through a leetspeak converter for all i care, what diff does it make.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so lisa dib is some strange aussie who is too fat to fuck dudes but discovered dogs don't mind. so she;s given up on dating and moved on to kennel life. good for her!
mircea_popescu: "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs.
Framedragger: shinohai: ah nice, should have known, worth a check thanks!
shinohai: it's pretty decent for lazy use.
mircea_popescu: and then the way they spring it on you, too, you know, like it's the most natural thing in the world.
deedbot: funkenstein_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ?
☟︎ funkenstein_: liquidation complete, lemme know if I can be of further service
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:36 mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS!
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
funkenstein_: that anything could be more enjoyable when "slave"
mircea_popescu: "the historical justification for human sacrificing was the theory gods care" "i don't agree gods even exist" "Sooo ?"
funkenstein_: the justification for owning ethereum is that its better than bitcoin
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 12:57 mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ?
mircea_popescu: you keep asking me to think. what, you think that's what missing, i never ran into someone telling me to do it ?
mircea_popescu: i have, this sad mangled result is what comes out of me thinking.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:41 mircea_popescu: Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what.
mircea_popescu: 904359116964408528249771÷90194313237 = 10026786440383 ; 904359116964408528249771÷1612042960484901 = 561001871 ; 10026786440383÷561001871 = 17873
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? << In court. Cop dude skipped a jury and had a judge try the case. A *black* judge!
mircea_popescu: ie, an individual usg black dude sided with the usg side.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, gotta stir the pot if they are going to make a black spring happen in Baltimore
mircea_popescu: so the new factor is a composite of the old factors ; both of them
mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain this to me again, i just thought the 8ball is a product of primes up to x
mircea_popescu: so if the product of primes up to x shook out a composite that includes NO OTHER FACTORS than the primes already found through mutual gcd'ing of extant keys
BingoBoingo: In other not quite news: Facebook is revamping how editors find trending stories. "We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias in the implementation of our guidelines or policies," Facebook general Counsel Colin Stretch wrote. Of course, Facebook is going to train the human editors who work on their trending section; they're also going to abandon several automated tools it used to find an
BingoBoingo: d categorize trending news in the past. Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines." Facebook will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN.
mircea_popescu: these primes must then be some pretty fuckingmagical primes, and not the result of rand seeding.
mircea_popescu: well yes, because the probability of 5 being a factor is 1/5 and of 17 1/17, so three times rarer.
mircea_popescu: 904359116964408528249771 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417*561001871 ; 1612042960484901 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417 ; 90194313237 = 3*7*641*6700417
mircea_popescu: there's a new faq page coming up, give it a day or two
deedbot: mp_at_olivos voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_at_olivos: anyway, since i got a little time here, to round off the whole bitbet thing
mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely
☟︎ mp_at_olivos: obviously, there´s a peculiar path through the lies we´re suggested to take as per the usual "modern democracy" or "science" or whatever the fuck,
mp_at_olivos: but honestly the only thing that comes to mind looking at it is, how the fuck are all the fruits of the socialist tree always the same identical shit.
mp_at_olivos: this could be "saddam has wmds!!11" for the same exact contortion value.
mp_at_olivos: but this nonsense aside, the fact remains that as far as contracts are concerned, kakobrekla´s idea of bitbet wind down was for him to run off with the assets.
mp_at_olivos: i forced a more equitable solution, by which everyone got paid, him included.
mp_at_olivos: nevertheless, that solution does not provide him any indemnity for his idiotic behaviour. to my eyes the shareholders have decent claims for destruction of value against him,
mp_at_olivos: and should they actually decide to pursue that, the 670 btc he made off with wouldn´t suffice to cover even the principal.
mp_at_olivos: iirc bitbet traded easily 4x that, and of course there´ll be whatever fees there´ll be.
mp_at_olivos: so in practical terms, he can´t treat that sum as anything but a risk provision, and in no case can proceed to spend it.
mp_at_olivos: this practically means he´s bankrupt, and dealing with the bankrupt is always a risky proposition for the mindful businessman.
mp_at_olivos: asciilifeform: i don´t know if anyone is or isn´t. but that´s besides the point.
mp_at_olivos: business is what it is, by its own laws, not what derpy mc herperson "feels" it should be in his special pleaded case.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:55 asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ?
mp_at_olivos: yeah, well. for that matter mpex still has a claim against one harnett. as fate would have it, for a similar sum
mp_at_olivos: that derp similarly tried to get a sort of confederacy of dounces going, in that i didn´t approve his version of events so he wouldn´t pay.
mp_at_olivos: nah, "bitcoin banker" back in the days mp was stuck proving to the "community" of imbeciles that no.
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mp_at_olivos: stipid spanish keyboard, nothing´s where it should be.
mp_at_olivos: hey, it´s what they have here. SOBERANIA NACIONAL!!!11
mp_at_olivos: i had to copy-paste / out of urls to get it, otherwise who the fuck knows where it is
Framedragger: mp_at_olivos: out of loop, but surely you mean more than one (unsigned) comment on a website?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:24 asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs!
Framedragger: you know, i'm not prepared to discuss it cause i'm out of my element here. i'll read more logs
mp_at_olivos: asciilifeform: in a sane world i´d just keep my kbd layout on trilema and download into os wherever i need it. but no sane world.
mp_at_olivos: maybe you know, i got claw hand and i want macro to sit were s is or whatever. dworak
mp_at_olivos: motherfucker, im pissing utf everywhere like a cancerous half shark in seawater
mp_at_olivos: but it plays the role of single quote, much like % is a question mark.
mp_at_olivos: let me give you the top layout for incredilolz Ñ
mp_at_olivos: anyway, five minute call, ima be back later. prolly on a sane system, i sent out for.
jurov: asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing!
☟︎ jurov: just in case you'll start having treasonous thoughts to sell some shares and withdraw from mpex
jurov: yes, i know so far you never strayed from faith
jurov: if my business lays golden eggs at least nce few months, why would it do it?
jurov: *why would I do it?
jurov: to sell half of future golden eggs upfront to investors?
jurov: he had 25% that was not on mpex thus not possible to sell. then he got another 25% which was *supposed to be sold to public*
jurov: im confused. what am i supposedly conspiring here?
jurov: you are conspiring he sold something he should not as per some sinister end
jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances
☟︎ jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded
☟︎ trinque: if you cross someone with whom you're doing business, and the cost to their reputation is not enough to harm them, they fuck you back.
jurov: do you have anything to say to this one?
trinque: you people are still going on like old spinsters trying to wrangle this thing legally
trinque: asciilifeform: got your message; perhaps they come out rapidly enough that more than six get dumped at a time to RSS?
trinque: I think the thing as written only ever barfs last six to avoid spamming the channel
trinque: ok, I can move my knob to 20
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471349 << funny. but no. selling shares in what you pretend to be a business and then setting that on fire however does open you to liability. because your job as a principal is to act in the best interest of the shareholders. that's the only criteria. the ONLY criteria.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:23 jurov: asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing!
mircea_popescu: and if you diverge from it, no matter how you justify the divergence to yourself, or to a random mob of uninvolved bystanders, you'll be held for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're discussing a general matter here, afaik ?
mircea_popescu: you know, what every derpy socialist ever says, once his idiocy blows up. "i only meant well", as if that somehow provides immunity.
mircea_popescu: what ceausescu died embracing, and each and every of 'em idiots to date. "they meant well" and left a hole behind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's total deposit covered an account creation. whatever he has, he has from selling bitbet, logically.
jurov: so, he had the premeditated plan of selling them and then waiting for a year to pull the plug?
mircea_popescu: "the car worked fine until itblew up, producer not liable"
mircea_popescu: forget this entire "what derp meant to do". it's uninteresting. derp's judged on what he did. and if i'm to pay ~20 btc which nobody disputes i actually spent, because that's how the stars alligned, kakobrekla can sure as fuck pay ~2k btc that some think he earned, because that's how the stars lined up.
mircea_popescu: davout set the precedent in, dangerous as it may be, we're now with it.
mircea_popescu: he is, of course, idemnified as per contract to "amt actually realised". which is, to date, 670 btc and change, so there is that.
trinque: there seems to be pervasive confusion as to what interacting as peers *means*
trinque: as though the forum is to play the role of centralized mob-judge
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm entertaining the whole nonsense, supposed to be educative.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:28 asciilifeform: it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people.
mircea_popescu: generally, recall, at the fucking time all this got started, the same "community" of imbeciles that had "forum bankers" and whatever the fuck, ALSO had "glbse" and "investments".
mircea_popescu: yeah well, education is a square built off a line that reads "beatings"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:39 jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter that mirabilis item, the bitbet ex-shareholder that thinks kakobrekla helped him. and that's that.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:52 mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:40 jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded
mircea_popescu: this claim is not at any point considered or lent any credence by discussion of the shareholder claim item above. it's dead weight, and it won't be rescued by trying to tack it on to actual substantial issues.
mircea_popescu: bullshit. next time someone "saves" you from having to pay a 20 btc heating bill by burning down your house, call it kakologic.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a lot of wisdom fruits in all this for the general reader.
mircea_popescu: somehow the very distant ballas criticism of the "single issue independent" doesn't strike home, unless we sit on the ruined remnants of the house.
mircea_popescu: every dork thinks himself the main character in his own game, and somehow to be saved by divine providence just as long as he sticks to "his principles".
mircea_popescu: (and for the record : superman irl would last for about a week, before all the bills for torn down walls and destroyed cars would put him away permanently. seems important to have this in the fucking record omfg.)
mircea_popescu: no, pointedly not. because it's surogate fiction for castrated 1950s boys.
mircea_popescu: so the story is not at all about this ; it's all about how it could be this, and then becauser it could be, it's ok that it isn't, and so he's "law abiding"
solrodar: mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you confiscated kako's mpex account on behalf of the shareholders and not just yourself
solrodar: I look forward to hearing how you will distribute the proceeds to them
solrodar: is that not what you just said?
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight << Nah, Chicagoland is basically anti-Bingolandia
BingoBoingo inserted the "[client fork]" clarifications
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/American's/America's/
BingoBoingo: In other lulz: "Facebook has apologized for banning a photo of a plus-sized model and telling the feminist group that posted the image that it depicts "body parts in an undesirable manner". Cherchez la Femme, an Australian group that hosts popular culture talkshows with "an unapologetically feminist angle", said Facebook rejected an advert featuring Tess Holliday, a plus-sized model wearing a bikini, telling the group it violated the com
BingoBoingo: pany's "ad guidelines". After the group appealed against the rejection, Facebook's ad team initially defended the decision, writing that the photo failed to comply with the social networking site's "health and fitness policy". "Ads may not depict a state of health or body weight as being perfect or extremely undesirable," Facebook wrote. "Ads like these are not allowed since they make viewers feel bad about themselves. Instead, we recomm
BingoBoingo: end using an image of a relevant activity, such as running or riding a bike." In a statement on Monday, Facebook apologized for its original stance and said it had determined that the photo does comply with its guidelines."
shinohai: ^ saw that this morning, lulzy
shinohai: "Google's Paris HQ raided in tax probe"
mircea_popescu: so basically, if feminists tell it to get fucked, facebook does change its mind.
mircea_popescu: from now on, this is the bar. facebook is held to do the exact same if i say so. because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: criminalize being fat, decriminalize rape. then criminalize talking back, decriminalize domestic beatings. and keep going until female prison population === male prison population
mircea_popescu: and we'll be bitching about how nominal equality, ie, 3 mn each, hides the fact that there's 2% more women so there should really be more, exactly in the manner they derp today about how women don't work as long, so they make less.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 21:52 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather well researched too, the half life of average "bitcoin community"-tard is just about 15 months.
BingoBoingo: But that's old news and rabbits are adorable. Chihuaua is basically rat.
BingoBoingo: tldr; Bitch shoved a bunch of bunnies in her cunny