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asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/north-korean-defector-fights-pyongyang-with-thumbdrive-laden-balloons/
ozbot: North Korean defector fights Pyongyang with thumbdrive-laden balloons | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.104 = 0.312 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: precrime didnt last long
kakobrekla: i guess he just went to plain crime
twizt: precrime3
twizt: rofl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11730918 = 0.5865 BTC [+]
Chris_Sabian: I have a transcation that I sent out almost 5 hours ago and it is still unconfirmed. broadcast through 99 nodes. miners fee of 0.0005 sent. any idea of why it is taking so long?
BingoBoingo: Chris_Sabian: Piss off any people who run pools?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800082 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
Diablo-D3: fee too low?
Chris_Sabian: fee should be ok
BingoBoingo: Oh, the LoLs https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.msg5385970#msg5385970
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00554955 = 0.3385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00537995 = 0.5111 BTC [+] {2}
ninjashogun: anyone interested in startups here?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://captainchang.com/cs-songbook/instruction_set.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
MagicalTrux: https://github.com/Ferus/WhergBot2.0/blob/master/Plugins/Matix/Spams/NIGGERS.txt
MagicalTrux: http://captainchang.com/cs-songbook/baby_got_scheme.html
ozbot: Baby got Scheme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32308 @ 0.00086534 = 27.9574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16915 @ 0.00086346 = 14.6054 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: hi
BingoBoingo: Hello nubbins`
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58100019 = 5.81 BTC [+] {2}
Chris_Sabian: i found a solution to the stcuk transcation in bitcoinqt : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483564.msg5328360#msg5328360
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00555 = 0.9324 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00561025 = 0.2188 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005645 = 0.5645 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05801 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00537995 = 0.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00520099 = 1.8203 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0057 = 0.1653 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I think I found something much more fun to spend BTC on than a Lambo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/the-exosuit-a-wearable-submarine-for-visiting-deep-water/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0056925 = 0.2277 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100019 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 44 @ 0.58590347 = 25.7798 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.591 = 1.773 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: you really want a lambo?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00086186 = 30.0358 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: i was going to buy a toyota 86 but decided to keep driving my shit box until it goes no more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.592625 = 4.741 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005601 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.59499998 = 10.115 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I prefer my Saturn. I just thing the diving suit would be fun.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00534999 = 0.1979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057 = 0.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59675833 = 3.5805 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 584.94, vol: 15642.56806355 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.894, vol: 14217.12556 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.25, vol: 11373.50354135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.9, vol: 53.79227123 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 578.43415, vol: 6348.48000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 579.619232199
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.59884564 = 13.7734 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0057 = 0.2052 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00576032 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00506117 = 2.5306 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.59995554 = 16.1988 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6020002 = 4.214 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.618666 = 1.856 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61999887 = 6.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00086184 = 6.6362 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.005799 = 0.3711 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6104 = 3.052 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61 = 3.66 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00086184 = 17.1075 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.6257061 = 19.3969 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63854286 = 17.8792 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.005799 = 0.5915 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61001666 = 3.6601 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.000149 / 0.000149 (160 shares, 0.02 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013949 / 0.000149 (1180 shares, 0.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011616 / 0.000149 (5030 shares, 0.58 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500341 = 2.5017 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00519999 = 0.182 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.643975 = 2.5759 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00086184 = 3.6197 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.005798 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61001 = 1.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.005799 = 0.2494 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6469 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0058 = 0.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058 = 0.116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.0050008 = 0.7251 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6469 = 2.5876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0008618 = 3.7057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00581503 = 0.2908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086257 = 8.3669 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.0050008 = 0.3701 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1066 = 0.2132 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo has been submitted to BitBet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00590674 = 0.3898 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.057375 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1066 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61275025 = 2.451 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Yalta actually seems like a really nice place to have a summer house
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64483333 = 1.9345 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: educational:
asciilifeform: http://sneakygcr.net/why-you-shouldnt-trust-your-vps-provider.html
ozbot: Why you shouldn't trust your VPS provider | gcr's journal
asciilifeform: (the 'what' is obvious to an alert reader. the 'how' is the subject of the linked piece.)
BingoBoingo: That is an interesting and surprisingly easy how to
asciilifeform: if the rabbit is in the hat, you can pull it out of the hat.
asciilifeform: and you needn't be a magician.
BingoBoingo: Well cold as it is this time of year, generally you can dig rabbit, minimal pulling required
BingoBoingo: So ##mtgox-statement is a lulzy channel of the moment
diametric: I've been lulzing at ##mtgox-chat for weeks
diametric: especially the guy that dropped like $5k on goxbtc through bb
asciilifeform: diametric: is there a public log?
diametric: not that i'm aware of
diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not in ##mtgox-statement either
asciilifeform: oh well
diametric: and that he tried to slip that message in the IRC interview by posting a 9gag image and specifically mentioning 9gag when he linked the url
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Join, log, have lulz to dump later
diametric: I'm waiting for Mark is actually a reptilian alien
asciilifeform: '9gag' ? sounds like the kind of delaying tactic the man is famous for.
diametric: well, it was laughable
diametric: and then Circle.com got one too
BingoBoingo: This is the internet, everything is messy
asciilifeform: what the hell is circle.com
asciilifeform: the site itself isn't very informative...
diametric: no idea
BingoBoingo: circle is a vaporware
BingoBoingo: In true siliconvalley tradition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52425 @ 0.00086453 = 45.323 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Where's pankkake when you need him?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00490001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
the20year: isn't mircea here ?
BingoBoingo: the20year: It is his bedtime for the week
the20year: aw
BingoBoingo: He only does this maybe twice a week, let him rest.
the20year: I know it doesn't make a difference to any of you, but I managed to come up with a mobile lighting solution for doing video inside the dumps we're buying
BingoBoingo: the20year: That actually sounds more interesting than the part where you buy dumps
BingoBoingo: Anyone in this channel remember the user midnightmagic ???
BingoBoingo: Seriously ##mtgox-statement is quite a lulzmine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086576 = 4.5885 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.60013749 = 4.8011 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Oh, so many lulz
MisterE: http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/11187
ozbot: Putin #11187 by kockluvr - PutinGayDressup.com
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1668338/
ozbot: dpaste: #1668338
MisterE: the font page is down but internal links still work
BingoBoingo: Seriously lulzy channel for people needing circuses
decimation: ascii what kind of fool would believe they have any security when someone else controls the hardware?
decimation: although that's a neat how-to manual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Anyone here have favorite chapter's of Handel's Messiah?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: Part 2 has the Hallelujah chorus right?
decimation: Bingo surely the winklevii didn't keep their coins on Gox right?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Th winkelviie and Secondmarket may have Gox losses
BingoBoingo: decimation: The Messiah has 53 pieces, #44 is the Hallelujah chorus
asciilifeform: decimation: what kind of fool would believe... << quite a few people. ask them, not me.
asciilifeform: the fact that the bits on a disk belong to the fellow with the keys to the room is somehow lost on them.
BingoBoingo: I totally shouldn't have drank before writing this upcoming blog post.
BingoBoingo: I can't try to read a part in this god damned score without singing it to proofread my alterations.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00555001 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, I'm just adapting No. 44 to blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05456666 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/27/no-44-chorus/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05073333 = 0.4566 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086499 = 15.2238 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: No. 44 Chorus | Bingo Blog
decimation: Lol Bingo. Except Gox isn't gone, it's horde resides in stronger hands?
BingoBoingo: decimation: As far as I can tell its horde is lost to Derp and Herp
BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/wJ6hpuJ
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
decimation: so you buy the 'lost key' story
asciilifeform: 1) open bank 2) 'lose' deposit boxes full of gold 'in the sea' 3) ??? 4) profit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0059349 = 0.4036 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: why would anyone believe the 'lost key' yarn
BingoBoingo: I've seen Ghostbusters, the Keymaster always does alright. Even if herp and derp don't
BingoBoingo: Herp and Derp have to lose their coin somehow.
decimation: well, do we believe the 'we forgot to check if the transactions were actually valid' yarn?
decimation: I'm not sure which one is more fantastic
asciilifeform: imho, MP's version is the most plausible one so far.
BingoBoingo: decimation: For a couple of weeks that was allowable, but only as a "most charitable reading which would still leave them insolvent"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00086314 = 16.0544 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: They see /me trollin' THey hatin'
the20year: which version?
BingoBoingo: the20year: April 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 350 @ 0.0059565 = 2.0848 BTC [+] {17}
decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. It's sad that the early history of bitcoin occulted by such villainy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.005 = 0.245 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: decimation: He probably isn't wrong. People need to see the retard spewing from ##mtgox-statement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.606 = 1.818 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00086563 = 7.6608 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 464 @ 0.00497455 = 2.3082 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1071 = 0.6426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00086314 = 24.9016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18078 @ 0.00086291 = 15.5997 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1173 = 0.5865 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1173 BTC [-]
benkay: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3040
ozbot: The $12 Gongkai Phone « bunnie's blog
asciilifeform: benkay: famous
asciilifeform: benkay: also it 'cheats' by being 'by chinese, for chinese' - none of that paying royalties for 'arm' nonsense, etc.
benkay: how much does that run?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 102 @ 0.00316001 = 0.3223 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i haven't the exact figures, but the actual (physical) unit cost for most ICs is very small.
asciilifeform: as in, what it'd cost to produce it given that you're china or ussr and piss on copyrights/patents
asciilifeform: now, the very educational question of why you cannot easily buy this phone in u.s.
asciilifeform: it isn't so much that it uses 'too many' pirated bits, but the price point per se
asciilifeform: if you try to bring a crate of these to u.s., germany, etc. it will be confiscated at customs.
asciilifeform: just as soviet pdp-11s would've been, if anyone had wanted them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086248 = 6.0374 BTC [-]
benkay: isn't it rather the fear of being found at customs rather than the actual searches?
asciilifeform: sure
dignork: asciilifeform what would be the excuse for confiscation? lack of certifications?
benkay: i actually have no idae
asciilifeform: dignork: patent/copyright.
asciilifeform: not immediately, understand
asciilifeform: but as soon as the western rights holders complain
asciilifeform: a photo will be added to the handy binder customs officials keep
asciilifeform: this is how it typically works
asciilifeform: one can try to play 'whack-a-mole' (playing as the mole) with the customs, and some people do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00086248 = 8.8835 BTC [-]
dignork: makes sense really, free market (assuming it's free) still requires compatible systems of laws
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.004915 = 0.1966 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00499997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.00086278 = 4.0965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00499997 = 0.23 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: i never understood why virtually every pocket widget used ARM, which is licensed by a monopoly, vs. MIPS, which is quite similar in purpose, and 100% free.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine most arm licensees practically throw away the ARM cores they paid for licenses to fab
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6501 @ 0.00086283 = 5.6093 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: What I want to know is now that MOPS based OpenRISC is very mature why can't I get a 4 ghz laptop with one of those.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8699 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5024 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: It is far from an ideal architecture, but...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: check out 'longsoon' co.
BingoBoingo: longsoon looses my interest with its sponsorship.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it being chinese?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I see no reason why chinese government should be more trustworthy than usg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so, which country are we to buy cpus in
asciilifeform: supply of soviet z80 clones is a non-renewable resource after all.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine don't buy CPUs, but buy understood FPGAs and force them into an acceptable image
Mats_cd03: meow
BingoBoingo: Imma be disappointed if MP can't make a dungeo session bout this http://dpaste.com/1668650/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0049 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: incidentally, our old familiar friend, prosecutor Preet Bharara: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/love/usa-v-love.htm
BingoBoingo: Seriously how many "BTC Olds" were in the gox fold
BingoBoingo: I want to get a bird and name it Preet
Apocalyptic: dat Luke
Apocalyptic: doesn't surprise me tbh
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: In his case of course not.
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Of late your exchange hasn't exactly been reliable either
Apocalyptic: how so ?
asciilifeform: Bharara - because every century needs its Roland Freisler.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Every now and then t reverts to displaying stats from days earlier. Hard to describe
Apocalyptic: by "it" you mean the API ?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: No, web interface
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, huh, doesn't seem likely to me
asciilifeform: so, for instance, chinese cpu waits for the phrase 'tiananmen satoshi goatfuck' and shorts power rail to ground if this appears in the cache.
asciilifeform: it is quite true that you cannot put this kind of trap in an fpga without making the whole thing look quite ridiculous even under an optical microscope.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I haven't heard similar complaints so far
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Do other people try to daytrade on web though.
asciilifeform: (fpga has no idea where the 'cache' will be on the fabric, or even that it will be configured as cpu rather than, say, decompressor)
asciilifeform: on the other hand, the 'listens for magic packet on radio, using power rail as antenna, and shorts power rail to ground when received' can be fit into any ic
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean SPARC T1 cores are open source. Unless lisp machine I see little reason to not them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just describing some of the very different varieties of trap that can be set for a chip buyer
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I think mike_c does
asciilifeform: i had the T1 running on a board around here somewhere. it works.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Tis why national govt chips are worth skipping when alternatives exist.
asciilifeform: my point was that you end up trusting a big fat american duopoly when using modern fpga.
asciilifeform: and that, while certain interesting classes of attack are impossible on an fpga,
BingoBoingo: K, that might be relevant
asciilifeform: it does not follow that nothing interesting can be done to the unsuspecting buyer
BingoBoingo: OMG Luke-Jr endorsed the MPEx model "<Luke-Jr> the last 2-3 years have demonstrated that people get scammed far more often on decentralised exchanges"
asciilifeform: incidentally, xilinx might as well be run out of ft. meade
asciilifeform: it does not automatically follow that one should not buy xilinx
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as I can tell Khosala lives in Ft Meade
asciilifeform: just that you should understand the implications.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00086472 = 10.2037 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'voodoo' fear of 'ritually tainted' hardware is counterproductive.
BingoBoingo: Prolly
asciilifeform: semiconductor is not magic, isn't cursed, one can form reasonable hypothesis about enemy action.
BingoBoingo: I kinda want an Apple II GS, i bet that can entropy without frying.
asciilifeform: whereas if you operate on 'voodoo', you will happily buy treacherous hw from 'clean' people
asciilifeform: and feel 'clean'
asciilifeform: afaik none of the '80s micros included a reasonably useful entropy source, with the possible exception of the 'commodore-64'
asciilifeform: where the sound chip had a noise diode built in
Apocalyptic: interesting
BingoBoingo: The way to appear clean though is to cage the important machines and subcribe to Cable's sports package and have a lot of CRT TV's
BingoBoingo: Drownd useful SIGINT
BingoBoingo: With 'Murican football and baseball
asciilifeform: spectrum is a big place
asciilifeform: your cpu can be heard through the neighbourhood tvs just fine.
BingoBoingo: Of course, It's why you file antennas
asciilifeform: *through the noise of
dignork: asciilifeform: there was another approach at working with unsecure hardware, maybe it was mentioned here before: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EncryptedComputationEdited
BingoBoingo: Introducing noise as a reciever isn't too new
asciilifeform: dignork: homomorphic crypto came up here many times
dignork: :)
asciilifeform: it is worth your while to read about who is interested in it, and why
asciilifeform: i doubt that you will like the answer.
BingoBoingo: So like, Luke-Jr Got really fucked by Gox, point and laugh???
copumpkin: why would you do that?
BitcoinKike: copumpkin: Why would I oppose the wrong kinds of fascism?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11019668 = 5.5098 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating, anyone concerned with boobytrapped hardware should actually take the time to think about /what it could actually do/ in their scenario
asciilifeform: e.g. what, exactly, does the enemy get if he can execute an arbitrary instruction instead of the next coming one, at a given time
BitcoinKike: I have a leak to the powerline.
asciilifeform: or what does he get if it broadcasts every 16th word fetched from ram
asciilifeform: or, or, or...
dignork: asciilifeform: is there any way to grep/search in log.bitcoin-assets.com ? I mean like a month range. I can hack together some crawler, but maybe there is on already.
asciilifeform: dignork: no idea
BitcoinKike: dignork: Try nao and ask kako's forgiveness later?
asciilifeform: continuing: for instance, a chip that enthusiastically pisses bits to the power rail is perfectly usable if it never gets to share its power rail with anything
asciilifeform: (runs off battery)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: a chip that is suspected of broadcasting more than its 'fair share' is pefectly usable inside a miniature faraday cage
asciilifeform: and likewise for one which is thought to receive (so long as the cage is in place, and likewise supply and ground rails are filtered)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 92 @ 0.00316001 = 0.2907 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: OMG Luke-Jr called me a kike <Luke-Jr> BitcoinKike: lack of transparency including proof of reserves
BingoBoingo: Fucking Guinea
asciilifeform: this is an actual subject and i cannot hope to make it fit into these sound bites
asciilifeform: but i really wish people had some actual picture in their head of what it means to distrust a hardware vendor
asciilifeform: beyond simple 'ritual unclean' voodoo.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We know, that is why I file down aluminum cans during downtime.
dignork: BitcoinKike: afraid to ask, nao? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nao_(robot) ?
Apocalyptic: I think he meant now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.63749393 = 3.1875 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: dignork: Accept the definition that scares you the moast?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.10500001 = 1.365 BTC [-] {4}
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: please do not slander me; there is a person by that name present
BingoBoingo: Everything is everything, unless it is nothing.
BingoBoingo: I feel like a pussy nao having only faced misdemeanot charges https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120969.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63929666 = 1.9179 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.000865 = 12.975 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Remember, disorderlynes is a moral imperative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5895 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00499483 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10217367 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: pankkake: plz refresh assass feed. pushed to public too soon :(
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nevar too soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.1001 = 0.8008 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: no no there is a thing as too soon
benkay: too often, maybe not
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mafqg86ntz1qafu4to1_1280.jpg
benkay: bawww
KRS-One: that bait was gay
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/2ec1a84839ed639af3015e8b06bff00a/tumblr_mlf7w7QqoV1ruxnfbo1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: rawr
benkay: one of those girls has done this before...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00490042 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05863587 = 0.3518 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00086116 = 12.3585 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-One: if you zoom in real close on the pubes of the girls in that pic you can get a good crotch shot
KRS-One: which one would you take? right or left?
benkay: right
benkay: TRICK QUESTION BOTH
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.64139124 = 5.1311 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34149 @ 0.00085914 = 29.3388 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Remember ##mtgoc-statement is a total lolz factory ripe for pikinz
KRS-One: i would take the girl on the right, but i like blondes...the girl on the left has a fat pussy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.646 = 3.23 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.10874999 = 0.435 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499493 = 0.1299 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: @BryceWeiner is so getting death by exile
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 314 @ 0.00056898 = 0.1787 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ##mtgox-statement is still a lulzmine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1001 = 0.3003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00599 = 0.1378 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I'm going to sleep soon and hope I keep logging that channel, but backup is necessary, because that is a lulz goldmine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1001 = 0.4004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05863591 = 0.2345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.09613161 = 1.8265 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0936797 = 2.342 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.64552 = 3.2276 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00488998 = 0.1956 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005999 = 0.5999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00599947 = 1.4999 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.006 = 0.486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4899 @ 0.00086464 = 4.2359 BTC [+]
hax0r42: how the hell did AM1 go up so much in 1 day?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489997 = 0.2499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085893 = 3.8652 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00489998 = 0.343 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64699 = 1.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.000865 = 9.9043 BTC [+] {2}
bloctoc_: looks like all those puts are going to expire
BingoBoingo: bloctoc_: Looks like MPOE is in the money
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 578.47, vol: 16020.91139690 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 558.1, vol: 14394.81461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 577.0, vol: 11047.20318012 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 590.06, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 566.081244, vol: 6372.01300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.350348155
bloctoc_: I've been looking at the price, seems good but one would have to sell bitbet to do such a thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006 = 0.114 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Nah
BingoBoingo: The puts were sold to MPOE at what price?
bloctoc_: I don't know but it's in the bitcoin-assets archives a couple of days after the transaction
BingoBoingo: bloctoc_: It was repeated several times over those days
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma sleep
bloctoc_: night
BingoBoingo: ##mtgox-statement pissing me off beyond my vodka budget for a Thursday
bloctoc_: is there a way to verify mpex has possession of coins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00489998 = 0.3038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.004614 = 18.456 BTC [-] {35}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0048998 = 0.2058 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00489981 = 0.1911 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta love it when the thesaurus is longer than the poem
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves < clearly there's no relation between jesse and the gang.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.636 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay: dat mpoe < what be you mathing thar ?
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun: anyone interested in startups here? << ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: isn;t this the guy who didn't have the time to either a) get with the program or b) read the indicated article detailing the unsuccessful attempts of the last nitwit who thought he's too good to do what he's told on the grounds of well... he's special ?
mircea_popescu: diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order << you happen to be familiar with the trials and tribulations of the public opinion during any of the large eastern european ponzi collapses ?
mircea_popescu: like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the20year2 what of me ?
mircea_popescu: gee whiz, look at all the people i want to talk to, and i have barely just woken up.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ? // we had this BMG Invest in Slovakia
mircea_popescu: a so you did, yea.
mircea_popescu: generally the objects of the abject populace's fixations end up quite... jesus-ied.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo midnightmagic is an old time miner with a very naive set of strongly held notions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.021399 = 0.214 BTC [+]
MagicalFag: just got a $a: ban on ##mtgox-chat, such fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8574 @ 0.00086337 = 7.4025 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao who the fuck bothers banning people on deadman's chat
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/7b62966269d851196c7a3d0d16edf507/tumblr_n0y1ksjL6n1r1rxrbo1_500.png
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8861d68fe4bd21af374b91ba093a890/tumblr_n0y1nhj33q1r1rxrbo1_1280.png
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/7fd4a56fa8f3fa63ec7831a41ea1243b/tumblr_mzh2539PQd1sltft3o1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: fap fap..nite.
mircea_popescu: you seriously jack off to that stuff ?!
KRS-One: Sure..Lets talk about your love life now.
mircea_popescu: but... it's a woman in a bra o.O
KRS-One: =)
KRS-One: haha
KRS-One: I go to the strip club once a week. You would be suprised what you can get there being a regular.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00489899 = 0.3527 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i used to own a few. why'd i be surprised ?!
KRS-One: I get out quite often when I'm not working as much too.. I like the bachelor's life.
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: you know that's possibly the least efficient way to buy sex, do you
KRS-One: Not trying to suprise you, I don't know much about you.
mircea_popescu: few do.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10501 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. << if by "thing" you mean "Bitcoin Foundation", then yes.
KRS-One: Its getting late here. Have a great day-
mircea_popescu: laters.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00472009 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: o look at that, Luke-Jr needs to learn to listen to mp.
Luke-Jr: why?
mircea_popescu: because you'd still have 70% of your savings, that's why.
Luke-Jr: I didn't know you had access to MtGox's code
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of things you didn't know. but the fact that i said mtgox is going down, you knew.
mircea_popescu: next time, listen. it's not like it's coming out of my pocket if you don't, you know ?
Luke-Jr: oh, so I'm supposed to just believe everything you say but can't/won't provide evidence for?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference.
Luke-Jr: if I knew it, then I must have listened to you say it.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
Luke-Jr: and thought you were full of crap since you couldn't substantiate it
mircea_popescu: yeah well, see, that's a broken implication there.
mircea_popescu: or two. however you count.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: did *you* steal the bitcoins?
Apocalyptic: heh
mircea_popescu: if we had the luxury of discarding anything of reality that doesn't conveniently fit with our theoreitcal system, we wouldn't for instance be stuckl with quantum mechanics.
Luke-Jr: because right now, it sounds like you're implicitly confessing
mircea_popescu: newtonian physics'd have been just fine,
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr no, it just sounds like you still have issues listening.
mircea_popescu: i get that you're very emotionally invested in this "master of all i survey" nonsense, but that's not how reality works.
Luke-Jr: the only way to know MtGox was going down like this, is if you had evidence, or you were behind it
Luke-Jr: and you clearly did not have evidence
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: because why.
Apocalyptic: having evidence is different from diclosing it
mircea_popescu: because i live in Luke-Jr world, where if Luke-Jr asks i am forced to comply ?
Luke-Jr: Apocalyptic: yes, but mircea_popescu is generally clueless too
mircea_popescu: i guess 30% of your savings is too much for you huh.
mircea_popescu: aite, carry on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind. <<< now how does this follow ?!
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: just because you're right for once in your life, does not mean you will be right ever again
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr apparently your one-bit counter is well smashed.
mircea_popescu: add some overflow control there.
Apocalyptic: reading some article about this BMG ponzi
Apocalyptic: "Naivety multiplied by greed made the existence of such investment schemes possible in Slovakia" // like it's any different in any other ponzi
mircea_popescu: well... it just *feels* different each time.
mircea_popescu: people have this amazing facility, guy goes out with girl, its their first time, it feels like the first time. kids have been fucking for a while now, it's anything but novel in any sense.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Apocalyptic: maybe, it certainly fundamentally isn't though
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04506296 = 0.3605 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: and then she gets pregnant/catches the clap/gets dumped and her mom is like lolz and she's like "o mom, just because you were right ONCE IN YOUR LYFF!!!
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean you'll ever be right ever again ever eleventy!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487564 = 0.3146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10487564 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : perhaps a good alternative is to buy a chinese and a usg and use them in paralel.
mircea_popescu: they can only do that which they agree on.
chetty: lol great recipe for any government
mircea_popescu: copumpkin how much did you have on gox ? if its not sikrit.
mircea_popescu: so far this is starting to feel like pirate all over again. in may "but mp! how can you irresponsibly let the pr chick say mean things about this important biznis for bitcoin, we know shit. we're twelve after all!"
mircea_popescu: then in oct "well... we're out of the game nao. was nice being part of it all blablabla"
mircea_popescu: dignork i use local logs for that purpose. log website only does daybased, and i suppose global search may be a little cpu intensive as a publicly exposed service.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell greenspan_fan i actually shot the last psych guy an email. figured he'd prolly like to know :p
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086085 = 19.6704 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay re the assass feed : trilema has a 15 minute rss delay built in for that very reason. maybe you should implement something like it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i mostly use it when i manage to typo in one of my booklet length titles.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc_ not really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00085872 = 13.7825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "When using only an HD wallet design, you can regenerate the wallet (and all of the addresses) at any time using a seed which can be presented as a mnemonic string of words, without reducing the amount of entrophy like brain wallets do."
mircea_popescu: now how the hell does this work, entropy cheese ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, btw I always wondered why the polimedia servers were in the US
mircea_popescu: where are you /
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00086337 = 8.2452 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15581 @ 0.00086626 = 13.4972 BTC [+] {4}
Apocalyptic: Switzerland
mircea_popescu: prolly routes you faster that way.
mircea_popescu: "There shouldn't be "insiders" in #Bitcoin - that's kinda the point of Bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: dude how is it that everyone takes it for granted they personally know what "the point of Bitcoin" is
mircea_popescu: for crying out loud already.
mircea_popescu: "i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!!1"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 217 @ 0.0055 = 1.1935 BTC
chetty: <mircea_popescu> "i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!! <<<< it isn't?????
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i guess it has resolved a lot of financial and mental hymens
benkay`: http://ultra-coin.com/index.php/homes/item/8-bitcoin-2-0-aka-ultra-coin-bitcoin-s-derivative-layer-that-allows-the-virtual-to-control-real-things-featured
ozbot: Reggie Middleton's UltraCoin - Bitcoin 2.0, aka Ultra Coin: Bitcoin's Derivative Layer That Allows T
benkay`: http://bitblu.com/
ozbot: Bitblu - crypto investment management
benkay`: "Crypto-currency investment is hard..."
mircea_popescu: who's running it ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the newest scamcoin, i get it, Reggie Middleton is a random noob who figures that he's special and doesn't need to first spend his six months reading here.
mircea_popescu: i mean the blu thing
benkay`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289683.0
ozbot: Bitblu is recruiting our co-founder CTO
mircea_popescu: lol nm
benkay`: bitcointalk *has* a search bar, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: "Great job on the Bitblu website. It looks awesome, even in beta!! Can't wait to try it out "
mircea_popescu: lol all this crap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 71 @ 0.00575 = 0.4083 BTC [+]
benkay`: wow dealco is still around?
mircea_popescu: why wouldn't it be ?
mircea_popescu: scams don't go away anymore, they just age and reemerge, goat style.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02199998 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00086541 = 4.3305 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487562 = 0.3146 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16277 @ 0.00085984 = 13.9956 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what is everyone's favourite bitcoin charting service these days ?
dexX7: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd i guess
kakobrekla: rtbtc
mircea_popescu: aha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts seems to have finally croaked
benkay`: hey everyone did you know that real companies are built on professionally curated data feeds?
benkay`: kinda hard to believe, but true.
benkay`: WTF BITCOIN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00487998 = 0.976 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: it's only 2014, what's the rush.
anddam: hello
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell duffer1 hey, you have a compatriot here : anddam
gribble: The operation succeeded.
anddam: will keep that in mind
anddam: actually there are a few on btctalk but the tone of threads is childish more often than not
benkay`: anddam you troll for money?
mircea_popescu: where was that link to that post of duffy's
anddam: benkay`: troll as in fishing?
mircea_popescu: anddam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=353439.msg3783469#msg3783469
mircea_popescu: there you go
mircea_popescu: "Load failed, retry after 5 seconds. Probably Reason BitcoinWisdom is temporary down Domain is not bitcoinwisdom.com Network issue"
mircea_popescu: i am guess javascript issue ?
mircea_popescu: http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price << this is lulzy in its looks lol
ozbot: Bitcoin Market Price (USD)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086718 = 12.1405 BTC [+]
davout: does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?
davout: ie. that can count
FabianB: btcoincharts is probably the only one that works without js
mircea_popescu: https://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=light seems fine.
ozbot: bitcoinity.org/markets
mircea_popescu: davout wasn't open office settable to use fixed point ?
benkay`: if you look sideways at the TATINVESTMENTS logo you can see a WTF
davout: i'm mildly satisfied with my accounting delta being -0,000000000000206057393370429
davout: mircea_popescu: thanks! i'll have a look
anddam: davout: I don't but is rounding error with floats that important?
davout: anddam: accounting is right or it isn't, it can't be sort-of right
benkay`: i will come harp at you over rounding errors of less than a satoshi anddam
benkay`: ask mircea_popescu
anddam: davout: when you use floating point arithmetic it can
davout: anddam: "does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?" <<< hence the question :D
mircea_popescu: i suppose the concept here is that math will have to suit the task, not the othjer way around
davout: anddam: what's to tell me it doesn't compound in weird ways ?
anddam: well, math would be exact, but when you're using a computer you're using an approximation
davout: anddam: except when you're using decimals
anddam: math is ideal, at least the one that was taught to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00086811 = 10.6778 BTC [+]
davout: anyway i'll look into OO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.09837502 = 3.935 BTC [-] {8}
benkay`: anddam: bitcoin is also ideal, and calls for ideal accounting.
benkay`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg3738626#msg3738626
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
benkay`: what a twizt!
mircea_popescu: http://dc-charts.com/chart_btc.php << best so far imo
mircea_popescu: course, it seems mtgox bound
mircea_popescu: no nm, it isn't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1291 @ 0.00459637 = 5.9339 BTC [-] {25}
mircea_popescu: so i'm hammering out the mpoe announcement for this month.
mircea_popescu: word of warning to the news people following : it's gonna be pretty massive.
Apocalyptic: massive sounds good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00450006 = 1.8 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00450006 = 1.125 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0390015 = 0.975 BTC [-] {3}
HeySteve2: mircea_popescu, please private me regarding the news if I don't respond here
mircea_popescu: you know it will be soon after midnight gmt.
HeySteve2: ok I will look for it then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 238 @ 0.00469412 = 1.1172 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.0047 = 1.0904 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.09084863 = 2.998 BTC [-] {5}
davout: mircea_popescu: delicious EXERCISE?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00440003 = 0.286 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086828 = 10.8535 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00086706 = 22.9337 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00420003 = 0.84 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00418413 = 0.6485 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6359998 = 1.272 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00411001 = 0.2178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00410377 = 1.9452 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00413057 = 1.6027 BTC [+] {7}
MisterE: shit, btc-e is down
MisterE: says maintenance...
wao-ender: and ddos was yday on their twitter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00414999 = 0.1245 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00415 = 0.2449 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7690 @ 0.00086438 = 6.6471 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/439333233013309440
ozbot: Twitter / WSJ: Breaking: Mt. Gox has filed ...
kakobrekla: dont tell me you are john kenney :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.08999997 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08999998 = 0.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09497999 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00086813 = 3.3857 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: <anarchystar> bitcoins just got ignored
Apocalyptic: <anarchystar> total insanity
Apocalyptic: <anarchystar> bye bye btc claims
Apocalyptic: hum that could set a precedent about btc liabilities during liquidations
dexX7: what's the context? was there any statement about a potential fiat bailout?
jurov: Apocalyptic: there isn't any other way
Apocalyptic: jurov, isn't there ?
jurov: where would they get bitcoins to resolve liabilities otherwise?
Apocalyptic: they wouldn't need to get them, just price them in the liability sheets
jurov: that has potential to create a mess
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic pretty much already established precedent.
Apocalyptic: mircea, wasn't aware, what case are you referring to ?
jurov: if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy, why should i share my claim with people who had btc-only positions?
jurov: and even if, what is the fair btc price here?
wbaw: kakobrekla, I'm John Kenney
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00468997 = 0.1172 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: o look, now you are on two of my screens :)
wbaw: so is the bet closed or what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.63599999 = 5.724 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: mods close the bets when it needs to be, you can leave them a message on bitbet comments
wbaw: their lawyer just made an announcement
wbaw: that seems to satisfy the bet?
jurov: yes, put the link into bitbet comment
jurov: and let them do their job
Apocalyptic: <jurov> and even if, what is the fair btc price here? // hard to find a definitive answer here, but you can still can pick a reasonable one
jurov: that's anything betwen 100 and 500
Apocalyptic: <jurov> if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy // that's kinda irrelevant
wao-ender: lul https://twitter.com/The_K_meister/status/439338278496374784
jurov: Apocalyptic: why irrelevant? bankruptcy law applies only to fiat, it says nothing about BTC. Attempts to shoehorn BTC in there can be disastrous.
jurov: Listing BTC that are left on the papers and trying to pay them out would be Karpeles goodwill attempt, nothing more.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.09064826 = 2.6288 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: ianal, though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00605 = 0.121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086813 = 6.5978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00430679 = 1.2791 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00086841 = 20.59 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00606001 = 0.1576 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00608813 = 0.1583 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0529 = 0.2116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1054 @ 0.00018498 = 0.195 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic for instance the bitcoinica executors, couldn't care less about the btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6175 @ 0.00018631 = 1.1505 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: anyway, jurov pretty much has it i think.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1557 @ 0.00018902 = 0.2943 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5807 @ 0.00019199 = 1.1149 BTC [+] {4}
wbaw: TOKYO—A lawyer for Mt. Gox announced at a news conference at the Tokyo District Court that the embattled bitcoin exchange was filing for bankruptcy protection and that Mt. Gox had outstanding debt of about ¥6.5 billion ($63.6 million).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3909 BTC [-] {2}
wbaw: ... Yes prevails if there is an official announcement of the end of operations
wbaw: bet is still open, what a joke
mircea_popescu: ikr?
wbaw: glad i didn't put more on it
jurov: wbaw why such haste?
wbaw: jurov, could you bet on a football match after the result is known?
mircea_popescu: o hey, us attorney general just jumped out of a window.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00444372 = 4.3815 BTC [+] {3}
wbaw: bookmakers should be fast
mircea_popescu: this is now the revolving window of finance and government.
wbaw: and trustworthy
mircea_popescu: wbaw you know they'll refund bets that are late anyway
wbaw: and not let people bet after the outcome is known
wbaw: 1% fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00428984 = 1.2183 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: uh what happened to this thing
mircea_popescu: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00404101 / 0.00509159 / 0.00599998 (47908 shares, 243.92785559 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.0046028 / 0.00600000 (417443 shares, 1921.40502491 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00422003 / 0.00600000 (543824 shares, 2294.95111460 BTC)
wbaw: it's an hour since the announcement
wbaw: that's not haste
wbaw: that's expecting normal service
mircea_popescu: hey did they close it yet ?
wbaw: mt.gox closed days ago
wbaw: the bet hasn't
mircea_popescu: outrageous.
dexX7: it's pending?
dexX7: *closed
dexX7: whatever
wbaw: at least its a warning not to use the site again & stick with reputable bookmakers
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: there are very many reputable bookmakers in btc outside of bitbet.
wbaw: i'll ask william hill next time
wbaw: he seems ok
wbaw: and he has a shop around the corner from me
wbaw: so stop messing about
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.004222 = 0.4433 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: http://s27.postimg.org/itf060ixv/gox_bankrupt.jpg :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00609998 = 0.305 BTC [+]
wbaw: how official does it need to be if their company lawyer announcing it outside a court isn't enough?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00609999 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: they're only claiming 64m in liabilities?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not really in their interest to include everything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.053 = 0.212 BTC [+]
Duffer1: lol
mircea_popescu: wbaw hey, how does irl betting work ? i've never done it
Duffer1: i know, i'm just shocked at the gall
mircea_popescu: so you go to the shop around the corner and what happens ?
wbaw: mircea_popescu, i walk into a shop, place a bet, get fixed odds & a betting receipt
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 that's basically why people need lawyers for. average joe can't possibly summon all the needed gall for even trivial legal proceedings
mircea_popescu: wbaw ok. and once you win ?
wbaw: then when it wins i claim my payout in cash
mircea_popescu: how ?
Duffer1: ya apparently
wbaw: i go to the shop
wbaw: and they pay out
mircea_popescu: so what if you get caught in traffic ?
wbaw: when the result is known
wbaw: then i get my payout a few minutes later
mircea_popescu: and what if there's a queue ?
wbaw: but, it's walking distance anyway
wbaw: then i go to a shop with more staff
mircea_popescu: but that may be farther away.
wbaw: there are 5 or 6 within a short walk, but i think william hill is the only one that takes random bets like this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00609999 = 3.05 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: and to take this full seinfeld, what if you accidentally get triple-action moisturizer with uva on your ticket and now it's illegible ?
wbaw: mircea_popescu, they keep a record of all the bets
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: so you need what, your id ?
wbaw: you've never visited a real bookmaker?
mircea_popescu: nope.
wbaw: you need the details of the bet
wbaw: time, amount, etc
mircea_popescu: generally all those i've seen are dingy affairs in the poor parts of town,
mircea_popescu: where the cash checking and pond shops are
wbaw: they're huge companies here in the uk
mircea_popescu: huge companies they are everywhere, but still, much in the way mcdonalds is a huge company :
mircea_popescu: a huge company made out of a lot of small, smelly, dingy little outifits.
wbaw: when i pay for a burger at mcdonalds they usually give me one
wbaw: without much fuss
mircea_popescu: yeah but once you'll graduate to restaurants you'll maybe notice you order and then wait
wbaw: same when i pay for a bet at a bookmaker
wbaw: except this one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10087 @ 0.00086358 = 8.7109 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, don't sweat it, i'm sure you'll have it by tomorrow, whatever it is.
wbaw: you really shouldn't still be accepting bets, it's just to take fees for nothing or skew the odds
mircea_popescu: what do you mean for nothing ?
mircea_popescu: someone betting after the event is known seems something.
wbaw: you take a 1% fee from returned bets, says on your site
mircea_popescu: surely.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile : A talking parrot has helped Indian police crack an intriguing murder mystery and led the cops to arrest the killer.
mircea_popescu: go preet go!
wbaw: so, what is an official announcement?
wbaw: for the context of that bet?
mircea_popescu: dood, i'm sure it's good enough, a mod needs to get to it.
mircea_popescu: stop sweatin' it, srsly.
wbaw: because it seems pretty official
mircea_popescu: yeah.
chetty: Seriously whats the rush? Not like you can get interest on BTC
wbaw: should have faster service instead of acting like you're not trying to compete with huge companies with customer support teams ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i actually am not competing with huge companies for the favours of you.
chetty: hmm what huge company with lots of support team takes btc bets? I might want to check that out
mircea_popescu: if you're curious as to how that goes, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
cazalla: didn't you know bitbet was a scam wbaw?
cazalla: talk to snackman lol
wbaw: i didn't realise before, cazalla
mircea_popescu: bah i can't believe i gave out the wrong link
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/ < that.
ozbot: Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cazalla: wrong links, slow payouts, what's happening mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whate
mircea_popescu: ver they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a stra
mircea_popescu: tegic mistake.
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah srsly.
wbaw: i'm not saying it's a scam, just you should act a bit faster to protect your customers
wbaw: like your competitors do
mircea_popescu: but you're in no way at risk. if people bet after the fact hey just get charged a small fine
mircea_popescu: it doesn't impact your bet in any way.
mircea_popescu: and while it'd be ideal to move faster, it's also ideal not to make mistakes, and not to cost an infinity.
wbaw: how do people know it's after the fact if the bet is still open?
mircea_popescu: these are the three ends of the triangle : how much it costs, how secure it is, how fast it goes.
cazalla: ask snackman, he knows the answer to that one wbaw
mircea_popescu: every business will make a choice as you can't have all three.
wbaw: you could close betting while you reach a decision
mircea_popescu: wbaw ideally people bet on things they know.
cazalla: wbaw, why not use it to your advantage and bet on some props where the outcome is already known?
mircea_popescu: ouch
wbaw: cazalla, because i'd be paying 1% for nothing
Apocalyptic: <ATH5> "There was a weakness in the system, and the bitcoins disappeared" << Karpeles live
mircea_popescu: the lyf and tymes.
wbaw: and that's what it's about, taking those 1%s & fuck repeat custom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086863 = 3.7351 BTC [+]
cazalla: that feel when gox coins are gone http://img.pandawhale.com/87000-Antonio-Banderas-OH-YEAH-gif-c-5cCi.gif
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85mfiVxwC1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: there was a weakness in the system
mircea_popescu: her clothes are now gone
Apocalyptic: "<maz0> Teikoku Data Bank, Japan’s largest and most respected credit-rating agency, in July of last year reviewed the company and gave it a D4, the worst possible rating a company can receive on their scale. One of the reasons for the low rating was the lack of qualified accounting staff at the company." mircea is there any truth to that N
wbaw: how can you run any business without looking at your competition?
wbaw: and how they do business
mircea_popescu: wbaw how can they ?
wbaw: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah afaik
mircea_popescu: wbaw how can your williams whoever do business without looking at bitbet.
wbaw: mircea_popescu, they were here first
mircea_popescu: in bitcoin ? i dun think so.
wbaw: and they're the big name, not the new competitor
wbaw: so it's all different because of the currency?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic http://www.tdb.co.jp/tosan/syosai/3889.html if you can read that.
mircea_popescu: wbaw in a word, yes. especially because bitcoin isn't a currency in this sense.
MisterE: almost got back in to ride is back to 570 but we're going under 550
wbaw: mircea_popescu, this is why you'll never be big like they are
wbaw: it's no different, it's a betting site
MisterE: lol Apocalyptic that's almost as bad as letting the 2 companies with the worst customer satisfaction numbers in the US merge :D
mircea_popescu: wbaw what's the mkt cap of this williams thing ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, you just linked me an article from today
mircea_popescu: 3.24bn mkt cap ?
mircea_popescu: well guess what... i'm not that far off. now what do we do.
wbaw: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/william-hill-idUSL6N0LW4P520140228
ozbot: William Hill plans cost cuts to offset new tax regime
wbaw: Revenue rose 18 percent to 1.49 billion pounds of which net retail revenue accounted for 907 million pounds, up 10 percent, and online revenue rose 12 percent to 446 million pounds.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah it's some japanese corp research firm
Apocalyptic: I thought you were referencing the credit-rating claim
mircea_popescu: wbaw yeh yeh, WMH.L, 3.24bn mkt cap
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic afaik that's a paid service.
wbaw: they're not even the biggest
wbaw: afaik
Duffer1: following for the lawls
mircea_popescu: wbaw thjat's besides the point. i being already comparably big, your argument fails
mircea_popescu: and anyway, i'd love to keep chattin' but got some stuff to do right nao
cazalla: wbaw: you should be more given the outcome is known, that will fix your problems
cazalla: bet*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10771 @ 0.00086393 = 9.3054 BTC [-]
wbaw: cazalla, according to mircea_popescu here that'd mean i just get taxed 1%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00086863 = 0.7635 BTC [+]
wbaw: and i can't put bets on even those his website says that i can
wbaw: *even though
wbaw: so i'd be getting taxed for their mistake if i bet now, or the betting is corrupt
Mats_cd03: cool story
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0061 = 0.1159 BTC [+]
cazalla: so what are you worried about then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00448999 = 0.1437 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00457998 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: so a hdd in a raid array failed and has been hotswapped.
mircea_popescu: everything seems fine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086863 = 3.9957 BTC [+]
Duffer1: hurray for striping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+]
jurov: i'd be pretty asstight if company owner was personally involved in raid hdd replacements :D
wbaw: i'm not worried about anything cazalla, just explaining why it's my first & will be my only bet on the site
wbaw: other gamblers will just go elsewhere quietly
wbaw: it has finally been closed, but speed is important
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00437102 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.1141981 = 2.284 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.114899 = 0.3447 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> uh what happened to this thing /// there's a frenzy over AM solving more blocks than usual (sell Neo! Buy AM!) and the Neo bid book didnt fill much behind the rally
ThickAsThieves: wbaw, how could you possibly expect the diversity of bets at BitBet and immediate resolution on all of them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086843 = 1.2158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.117 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11999 BTC [+]
wbaw: not immediate resolution, but closing should be fast
wbaw: responses from customer support shouldn't be so rude & arrogant either
ThickAsThieves: well i just woke up and everything was the way it should be!
ThickAsThieves: wbaw that's one issue you won't win me over on
ThickAsThieves: customers are rude and arrogant
wbaw: i think they're in romania though, so no excuse, was the middle of a working day
ThickAsThieves: customer service people arent your bitch
wbaw: customers are right
ThickAsThieves: no
wbaw: never heard that?
Duffer1: haahahaa
ThickAsThieves: they arent
ThickAsThieves: not usually
Duffer1: ah that's cute
wbaw: this is why you lack many customers
ThickAsThieves: i do just fine
wbaw: including me now
ThickAsThieves: have all my lufe
ThickAsThieves: life*
Duffer1: TaT i hear AM added 600th recently, might have something to do with it :P
ThickAsThieves: if you want civil interactions with people, try being a human being
wbaw: other bookmakers don't call me a bitch for giving them money
wbaw: no other bookmaker that has lasted has done that
wbaw: to any customer
ThickAsThieves: so
ThickAsThieves: even if you are right
wbaw: every business has to serve it's customers or it fails
ThickAsThieves: let bitbet run its own business
ThickAsThieves: when did you become ceo
wbaw: i will
ThickAsThieves: and when did they ask for your opinion
ThickAsThieves: and when did your opinion matter?
wbaw: when i became a customer & paid them money
ThickAsThieves: no that's when you entered a contract
ThickAsThieves: their only obligation is to fill it
ThickAsThieves: on their terms
ThickAsThieves: which you accepted
wbaw: then again when i remembered never to use it again & recommend against it
ThickAsThieves: dont enter into arrangements with people then complain when they execute them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0538 = 0.2152 BTC [+] {2}
wbaw: i was complaining about them not executing them
ThickAsThieves: no, you were complaining about HOW they execute them
ThickAsThieves: which you dont get to
wbaw: or being too slow to execute them because they were too busy abusing customers
ThickAsThieves: unless it breaks their contract
ThickAsThieves: does bitbet say it will solve all bets in under X amount of time?
wbaw: every bookmaker closes bets when the event is over
wbaw: every other
wbaw: so i will just use those instead
wbaw: now please stop arguing with former customers
ThickAsThieves: ok
ThickAsThieves: cya
Duffer1: afaik MP is an owner and not actively involved, but as an owner I'm sure he's more annoyed with delayed bet closing than you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1645 @ 0.00434981 = 7.1554 BTC [-] {6}
wbaw: i hope he is, he should be
wbaw: doesn't matter to me i can just go elsewhere
Duffer1: bitbet has a competitor?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00019 = 0.95 BTC [-]
cazalla: william hill apparently
wbaw: search 'gambling' on google
wbaw: there are quite a few
wbaw: betfair?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.00018899 = 0.2054 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: ah i'm not a gambler, i haven't kept up with the offerings in the space
ThickAsThieves: the best part about these bitbet naysaying interlopers is that it's always for like $50 bets
wbaw: they have lots of big competitors but they think they're different because it's magical internet money so customer service doesn't count
ThickAsThieves: and they demand to be customer that is always right and able to take all business away
ThickAsThieves: wbaw do you even lose anything here?
wbaw: ThickAsThieves, why risk a big bet on your first go with some shady site?
ThickAsThieves: why act like some stange site killed your cat?
wbaw: they know not to come back after that
Duffer1: I am certain that those involved with Bitbet regard Bitcoin as substantially more valuable than fiat
wbaw: i'm used to better service, rather than being insulted by staff
ThickAsThieves: youre used to be being manipulated is what you are
ThickAsThieves: salesmanship is all you know
ThickAsThieves: not service
wbaw: we will see who's still here in 10 years
ThickAsThieves: surely you wont be
ThickAsThieves: i doubt 10 days
Duffer1: perhaps you haven't been around long wbaw but if i was a gambler Bitbet would be the only site I'd trust to do what they say, no more no less
wbaw: wtf are you talking about?
Duffer1: everyone else will just tell you what you want to hear right up until they run with your $$
wbaw: you think bitbet are more reliable than betfair?
wbaw: william hills have been around ~50 years
wbaw: and they always pay out
Duffer1: and they accept bitcoin?
wbaw: does that even matter?
jurov: one day the miscalculate the rates on popular bet and go out of business
ThickAsThieves: ;;google betfair scam
gribble: Betfair Trader Scam - Please circulate - Bet Angel - Betfair sports ...: <http://www.betangel.com/blog_wp/2013/07/24/betfair-trader-scam/>; Gambler who called himself the Betfair king conned friends out of ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313618/Gambler-called-Betfair-king-conned-friends-600-000-bogus-betting-scam.html>; Betfair Casino - The Tale of Betfair's (1 more message)
jurov: and unlike fiat nobody, is loaning btcs
ThickAsThieves: plenty to read!
Duffer1: i see, so when i said earlier "only site" i was refering to only bitcoin betting site
wbaw: yes, they catch scammers on betfair
jurov: nothing like that can happen on bitbet
wbaw: that's what they do
wbaw: it's betting exchange
ThickAsThieves: so betfair hosts scammers
ThickAsThieves: bitbet does not
wbaw: betfair allows anybody to bet
wbaw: bitbet is just in denial
ThickAsThieves: again, what did you lose here anyway?
Duffer1: denial about what? i'm just curious, i'm not trying to poke you
wbaw: i lost an interesting looking betting site i wanted to give my custom
ThickAsThieves: so youre just trolling?
wbaw: saying they don't host scammers, denying that bet fixing could be a problem...
wbaw: no, i got trolled by bitbet
ThickAsThieves: specifically why are you unhappy
wbaw: the customer service response i got to my email yesterday
ThickAsThieves: which caused you what harm?
Duffer1: i was under the impression that bets are moderated by the exchange
Duffer1: I don't see how fixing could occur without collusion by employees
wbaw: because you just said you have no experience gambling
ThickAsThieves: dont lose me
ThickAsThieves: which caused you what harm?
ThickAsThieves crickets
wbaw: it cost money from my bet, people were betting after mtgox closed
ThickAsThieves: do you know what happens when people bbet after the fact on bitbet?
Duffer1: that does not mean those late bets will be honored
wbaw: they get a 1% tax
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: a 100% tax
ThickAsThieves: they keep it
wbaw: according to ts&cs
wbaw: that's breaking their own terms then
Duffer1: unless they changed it very recently, it's 100%
ThickAsThieves: if your bet confirms after the event took place they lose all money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25295 @ 0.0008685 = 21.9687 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ThickAsThieves: no
jurov: it's first closed, then they return bets minus 1%
jurov: then after it's resolved, they eat new bets
Duffer1: i see
ThickAsThieves: ah
ThickAsThieves: so still
ThickAsThieves: wbaw loses nothing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00450488 = 0.1577 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: right?
jurov: adn even if someone bets while it's still open, but the result happened
wbaw: What if I bet after the bet has been satisfied, but before it is actually closed?
wbaw: Your bet will be refunded, minus BitBet's 1% fee.
jurov: they return -1% too
wbaw: http://bitbet.us/faq/
ozbot: FAQ BitBet
ThickAsThieves: so wbaw
Duffer1: if the bets are returned then the payout would be according to resolved weight
ThickAsThieves: you are crying over a reality you constructed
ThickAsThieves: not one that exists
wbaw: so they screwed somebody
wbaw: either those that bet while the bet was still open, but in fact closed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16867 @ 0.0008694 = 14.6642 BTC [+] {2}
wbaw: or the people who bet before
ThickAsThieves: well wtf
ThickAsThieves: you get what you want so you move to another cause?
jurov: wbaw after the result happens, bet is closed implicitly without them having to announce
jurov: it's best defense from scammers
jurov: good idea, don't you think?
wbaw: so why the 1% fee & leaving bets open so late?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin does not have a way to reject a payment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3983 @ 0.00016694 = 0.6649 BTC [-] {16}
ThickAsThieves: this is th best solution
wbaw: surely the bet still being open is there mistake, so no fee
wbaw: their
Duffer1: not necessarily
ThickAsThieves: why make a bet after the event occurs?
ThickAsThieves: who's scamming who at that point?
wbaw: because they're advertising that you can, ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: but they cant stop payments to bitcoin addresses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: nature of the beats
wbaw: they can close the bet on their site
wbaw: faster
ThickAsThieves: hey that's the name for my next album!
Duffer1: humans are perfect
jurov: wbaw btc payments can be even hours late, and returning them is overhead for bitbet
ThickAsThieves: how fast is fast enough?
wbaw: they can not be so rude to customers too
ThickAsThieves: no matter how fast they are, they can't be instant
Duffer1: that's also a feature, not a but :P
Duffer1: bug*
ThickAsThieves: if they can't be instant, why pretend
ThickAsThieves: also, what if the evidence of the bet resolution is debunked? then you complain they closed it too fast?
ThickAsThieves: this is why customers are usually wrong
ThickAsThieves: they dont know wtf they are talking about
ThickAsThieves: and act like insufferable children
ThickAsThieves: you'd be rude too
deadweasel: also, they're not your fucking mommy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09349999 = 0.374 BTC [+]
deadweasel: handle your business by doing due diligence before you place money somewhere. that's all there is to it.
ThickAsThieves: he didnt lose anything anyway
ThickAsThieves: thats the ass end of it
ThickAsThieves: where he's an ass, and that's the end of it
deadweasel: indeed. bitbet is an unending font of entertainment
deadweasel: for this, I do love it. also, winning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00086954 = 16.3039 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00450655 = 0.2163 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: the timing of bitbets is really quite spooky
ThickAsThieves: with these diff bets and gox bets
ThickAsThieves: "I love the sense of entitlement in your generation," she wrote, then continued. "You're welcome for your humility lesson for the year. Don't ever reach out to senior practitioners again and assume their carefully curated list of connections is available to you, just because you want to build your network."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00450499 = 1.0767 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: then she gets put through the social media wringer
libbe: wheres that from thick
ThickAsThieves: and it turns into ""The note I sent to Diana was rude, unwelcoming, unprofessional and wrong ...," she said in her e-mail. "Diana and her generation are the future of this city. I wish her all the best in landing a job in this great town.""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086605 = 16.7148 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/tech/web/linked-in-cleveland-job-bank/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
ozbot: Nasty LinkedIn rejection goes viral - CNN.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086351 = 3.454 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09349999 = 0.187 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i guess that's what the media does, it breaks you if you give it weight
ThickAsThieves: some gems from CNN's home page today: She blew off salute to take THIS selfie - World's best prison food? - Men: Your sperm clock is ticking - 'President finally said something' - Kutcher and Kunis engaged? etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.606 = 1.212 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Mark in a suit: http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/28/investing/mt-gox-bankruptcy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
ThickAsThieves: apparently he's 10 feet tall
ThickAsThieves: "Mt.Gox learned Monday that 1.75 million bitcoins held by the company and its customers had disappeared"
ThickAsThieves: dafuck?
libbe: lol... wtf
libbe: 1.75 now
libbe: haha
ThickAsThieves: Neo presentation docs: http://www.imhbusiness.com/el/neoevent2014#παρουσιασεισ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00459938 = 3.4955 BTC [+] {5}
Duffer1: 1.75m bitcoins gone, only claims 65m in liabilities in bankruptcy app
Duffer1: pure evil
Duffer1: lol they're trying to claim $37 per bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Wow
ThickAsThieves: is the filing public somewhere?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086346 = 7.9438 BTC [-]
Duffer1: http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-files-bankruptcy-claims-63-6m-debt/
Duffer1: ^ where i saw the 65m figure, dunno what their source is
ThickAsThieves: article has big mistake
ThickAsThieves: they filed for Bankruptcy PROTECTION
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20565 @ 0.00086367 = 17.7614 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: where did this extra million bitcoins come into play?
ThickAsThieves: wtf CNN
bitcoinpete: howdy
ThickAsThieves: hey Pete
bitcoinpete: catching up on the day's logs… twitter is just jammed with gox brain damage. can't take it
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTEm-EnF5A
ThickAsThieves: thx kako
kakobrekla: at least its not a fukken nikki minaj
ThickAsThieves: mark has like a perpetual mona lisa smile
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu to Luke-Jr: you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference. << priceless
ThickAsThieves: Jon Stewart having a laugh over Mt Gox starting as a card exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00086367 = 8.3344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09349999 = 0.561 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0046109 = 0.2536 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0935 = 0.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63160684 = 17.685 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00485999 = 0.3305 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63633266 = 1.909 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: Looks like my little blog post took a notch out of NeoBee, eh ThickAsThieves
bitcoinpete: I wonder what I could've done to something like CFIG or 7C
ThickAsThieves: you be trollin
bitcoinpete: Truly. I know no one reads my blog
ThickAsThieves: you could actually do plenty damage to CFIG if you tried
ThickAsThieves: imo
bitcoinpete: No doubt
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Correction, only people who matter read your blog
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: but I didn't even post it on reddit!
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You posted to this chan though
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bitcoinsecurity.org/2014/01/20/mapping-bitcoin-addresses-to-ips-hard-but-possible/
ozbot: Mapping Bitcoin Addresses to IPs: Hard, but possible | Bitcoin Security
bitcoinpete: So I did, so I did.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Reddit has a poor ratio of eyes to eyes that matter
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: Time to start sending coins to MPEx from SBUx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11705 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: I thought SEC arrested MPEx and closed the Bitcoin?
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Much higher here, it seems
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: Did you read that in the almanac?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00086367 = 5.0525 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: The Forumers Almanac
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 558.69, vol: 18248.76543402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 541.96, vol: 12559.69095 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 557.0, vol: 12295.19418405 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 582.1, vol: 65.15586648 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 554.88, vol: 7185.97300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 553.591064627
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12442 @ 0.00086762 = 10.7949 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hmm so does option bot problem fix itself now that gox volume is 0?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I'm guessing that is going to be in the MPEx announcement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00086963 = 13.1862 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/28/gullible_hipsters_drive_beard_transpant_craze/
ThickAsThieves: "A lot of them tend to be in their 20s and 30s, they tend to be hip New Yorkers definitely with an eye for aesthetic detail – they may work in the visual arts or performing arts."
jurov: is pic of mr. gay-debauchery in there somewhere, too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: too bad the register can't spell "transpLant"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0935 = 0.561 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: And converting to Orthodox Judaism would be far more cost-effective.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62459 @ 0.00086446 = 53.9933 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.006 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086425 = 11.3217 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00086656 = 6.0651 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0543 = 0.543 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60066666 = 1.802 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: The Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo bet has been accepted http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/
jurov: BingoBoingo: I don't get the boogaloo reference
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.55879266 = 14.5286 BTC [-] {14}
TomServo: ;;ud electric boogaloo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo
ThickAsThieves: ;;ud Electric Boogaloo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo
TomServo shrugs
ThickAsThieves: bah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09499898 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.536575 = 2.1463 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16833 @ 0.00086734 = 14.5999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUr5UeIsKE
ozbot: Turneja - Kukavica (Arkan - Mine Field Scene) + Eng Subtitles - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00485598 = 0.2768 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0544 = 0.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05201753 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00564526 = 1.1291 BTC [-] {10}
chetty: A man who was traveling through Manchester, New Hampshire was stopped and harassed by the TSA after he opted out of going through a body scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was “We saw Bitcoin in your bag and need to check.”
ThickAsThieves: buncha bitcoin buttons
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00556 = 1.112 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00485548 = 0.4807 BTC [-] {3}
wao-ender: chetty: url?
chetty: http://www.infowars.com/tsa-detains-libertarian-blogger-after-seeing-bitcoin-in-his-bag/
ozbot: » TSA Detains Libertarian Blogger After ‘Seeing Bitcoin’ In His Bag Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019129 = 0.3826 BTC [+] {10}
asciilifeform: 2017: 'A man who was traveling through the California Demilitarized Zone airport was stopped and harassed by the ISA after he opted out of going through the MRI scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was "We saw 'brainwallet.py' in your CPU cache, and we needed to check." '
benkay`: poor davi
TomServo: ISA?
benkay`: ugh asciilifeform you gotta put this shit into some fiction
benkay`: publish it somewhere and everything
asciilifeform: chetty: if this story is true, it probably means that a picture of 'casascius coin' is included in the 'evil objects' db.
benkay`: 1/3 of the things you write in -assets gives me the willies
asciilifeform: benkay`: seriously? like what
benkay`: good morning assettes!
chetty: yup very likely it is
benkay`: "MRI scanner"
chetty: I figure its true, to strange to be fiction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 37 @ 0.00597001 = 0.2209 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00598666 = 0.3412 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: chetty, benkay`: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v15/n2/full/nrn3665.html
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.006 = 0.45 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: benkay`: fiction like this ends up being 'a less funny joke' soon after it is written. see, for example, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
asciilifeform: benkay`: or the story in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
chetty: asciilifeform: ouchy, I guess next stop is full up mind reading
jurov: researchers already did read passwords from brain. one has to control self to not think about them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00485598 = 0.4759 BTC [+]
benkay: gotta get out of the states
BingoBoingo: Oh brain steganography is going to be a thing soon
wao-ender: use mechanics!
chetty: multiplication tables making a come back
wao-ender: in my honest, I dont remember some password, only just mechanics of keypresses
chetty: true, without keyboard passwords are a mystery
wao-ender: well, rather find function how to re:create password instead of remember exact value of pw
ThickAsThieves: lolz: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/28/fortress-investment-group-bought-20-million-of-bitcoin-in-2013/?mod=WSJBlog
ThickAsThieves: fortress bought at the top
benkay: well, the 2013 top
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.05182695 = 1.3475 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: indeed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1169999 = 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169999 = 0.351 BTC [-]
benkay: if they have the smarts to hang on for a year or two, they may make it back
benkay: ah it's unrealized
benkay: at least their smart enough to actually go long
ThickAsThieves: can anyone point me to a working LTC chart?
ThickAsThieves: got it
ThickAsThieves: forgot bitwiz had it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
drifton: Hello all
Duffer1: hello
benkay: man, the derp is just as strong on hacker news as bitcointalk.org
benkay: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7318947
TomServo: yep, it's everywhere it seems
Duffer1: letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00464018 = 0.3805 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: i'm currently battling the derp at theverge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 258 @ 0.0008796 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/ is down! I guess USD is done for.
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTEm-EnF5A
ThickAsThieves: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-says-recent-graphics-card-shortage-price-hikes-due-chinese-new-year-litecoin-miners/
ozbot: Chinese New Year, Litecoin to Blame for AMD GPU Shortage, Price Hikes | Digital Trends
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.0008798 = 0.2006 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018999 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1169999 = 0.819 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones_: My wife told me that she couldn't get a birthday cake with a bitcoin on it because it would have been copyright infringement and we needed to get written permission from Bitcoin.
Jere_Jones_: She said that several bakeries told her that same story.
anddam: Jere_Jones_: also the cake would be malleable
Jere_Jones_: She laughed. I laughed. I had balloons on my cake instead.
asciilifeform: chetty: re: mind reading: 'The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought. There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people in a few seconds witho
asciilifeform: ut giving warning beforehand. In so far as scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter.' (mr. o's '1984')
ThickAsThieves: while i cant imagine anyone getting sued over a cake,
ThickAsThieves: it's not 100% absurd to be worried about the bitcoin logo
ThickAsThieves: if the creator hasnt given up rights to it
ThickAsThieves: and properly
ThickAsThieves: in the US, you can't even give shit away easily
Jere_Jones: The B with two vertical lines?
ThickAsThieves: well a specific depiction of it
TomServo: I could swear I've seen one or two Mickey Mouse cakes... but I could be imagining that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 495 @ 0.00517539 = 2.5618 BTC [-] {25}
ThickAsThieves: the cake place likely got sensitive because of doing too many mickey mouse cakes once
Jere_Jones: If you don't know what a bitcoin is, yeah, I understand the confusion. My wife and I do, though. Hence the hilarity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1169999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02175686 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {4}
Asa9: my wife has some cake pans of popular kids mascots from the late 90s but no disney ones.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4672 @ 0.00009682 = 0.4523 BTC [-] {9}
benkay: that feel when a project manager cancels the meeting you scheduled to plan out the next 2 months of work
benkay: *raaaaage*
benkay: maybe i just need bacon.
ThickAsThieves: planning to plan is the most popular form of planning
chetty: asciilifeform: Its a toss up, '84 or Brave New World - but its pretty much upon us
Asa9: oh what the hell - why not both?!?
drifton: Anyone have an opinion on the viability of profiting off of exchanging btc for ltc and vis-a-vi? Ive only been going straight btc investment as of late and ltc has me curious. Sorry for the vague question, or if it's considered off topic.
benkay: don't do it drifton
drifton: Yeah?
benkay: you're talking about becoming a professional trader by trading your own book. just don't.
chetty: off topic? is that possible here?
ThickAsThieves: drifton, listen to benkay
ThickAsThieves: LTC simply does not function in reaction to BTC in any reliable way
drifton: Thanks guys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00465002 = 0.7905 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00464201 = 0.4642 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.00014955 / 0.000154 (180 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013973 / 0.000154 (1200 shares, 0.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011631 / 0.000154 (5050 shares, 0.59 BTC)
nubbins`: !t h smg
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00009501 / 9.705E-5 / 0.00010280 (4859 shares, 0.47159003 BTC), 7D: 0.00009501 / 9.954E-5 / 0.00013000 (7926 shares, 0.78898943 BTC), 30D: 0.00009501 / 0.0001088 / 0.00013850 (16446 shares, 1.78939064 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1960 @ 0.00018999 = 0.3724 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.0046 = 0.3358 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]
anddam: benkay: the bacon concept is interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.0044291 = 0.9965 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58998899 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00440002 = 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 7.50000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 18750 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.05100001 = 1.734 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.10577669 = 2.856 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00597 = 0.4298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 69.10503292 BTC to 3`122 shares, 2213486 satoshi per share
benkay: get yer dealco divs and get out day apparently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05385713 = 0.377 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.05736678 BTC to 3`122 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550288 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550006 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.09199994 = 0.92 BTC [-]
benkay: bacon ipo anddam
benkay: ;;later tell anddam bacon ipo
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.08043478 = 1.85 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: bacon futures?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.13311598 = 4.5259 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: heh WSJ used wordpress
ThickAsThieves: uses
ThickAsThieves: (at least for the moneybeat area)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086308 = 5.8689 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yeah they used to for the not real journalist shit
Diablo-D3: they still have it for some legacy areas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0555 = 0.111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/28/cyprus-one-year-after-bank-bail-in-the-canary-that-lived/
ozbot: Cyprus One Year After Bank Bail-In -- the Canary That Lived - MoneyBeat - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05416667 = 0.1625 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08181 = 0.2454 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this guy needs MPOE-PR to step in and inform the subsequent commenters who the real niggers.txt are https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5429845#msg5429845
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0559994 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08130283 = 0.2439 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05595783 = 0.6715 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0800171 = 0.8002 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.05398213 = 1.5115 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.006 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.13311598 = 1.5974 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00454236 = 1.7624 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00453334 = 0.748 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.054 = 0.324 BTC [+]
TomServo: BingoBoingo: was not kidding about ##mtgox-statement
TomServo: http://imgur.com/AuXXenx
ozbot: A Discussion on How to Salvage MtGox Customer Account Holdings - Imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 125 @ 0.00360365 = 0.4505 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.07801111 = 3.5105 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00086445 = 11.3329 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00086759 = 10.1074 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.13311598 = 1.7305 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00600001 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.00600001 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00478783 = 0.6847 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 377 @ 0.0048762 = 1.8383 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 77 @ 0.13311598 = 10.2499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0815 = 0.326 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13221 @ 0.00086807 = 11.4768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08225 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00474995 = 0.1235 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08275 = 0.331 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0835 = 0.334 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00474997 = 0.2565 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;diff
gribble: 3.81572379881463E9
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4890464455.62 based on data since last change | 4092738869.01 based on data for last three days
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 288335 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4890464455.62 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.1661
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12647 @ 0.00086819 = 10.98 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09999999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00483117 = 1.4494 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: http://vimeo.com/87747572
ozbot: evoorhees on centralization - The Bitcoin Phenomenon on Vimeo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00488999 = 0.4401 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.0008694 = 26.5167 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.13311598 = 2.9286 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.09999999 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.1 = 1.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0823125 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.08120312 = 1.2992 BTC [-] {5}
the20year2: joy, bankruptcy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11723 @ 0.00087012 = 10.2004 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: it's about time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0805 = 0.161 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051375 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00488995 = 0.1076 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00548999 = 0.4666 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05325 = 0.426 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05475 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05625 = 0.45 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05828571 = 0.408 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09999997 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05942857 = 0.416 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11900092 = 0.595 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0835 = 0.835 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08575 = 0.343 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08683332 = 0.521 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08733333 = 0.262 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.1 = 1.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10637 @ 0.00087026 = 9.257 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.1 = 3.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0046416 = 0.362 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08999999 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05025756 = 0.1508 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00488993 = 0.1565 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.082 = 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00086638 = 16.2013 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2070 @ 0.000095 = 0.1967 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 810 @ 0.000191 = 0.1547 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08395 = 0.4198 BTC [+]
nubbins`: freenode still shitting?
nubbins`: couldn't connect via chat.freenode.net
ThickAsThieves: ya a little
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Pretty much Freenode seems constantly under some level of DDoS now
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: poor admins must be sick of it by now
BingoBoingo: Probably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0047101 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00086506 = 31.2287 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00483971 = 0.121 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11585504 = 5.7928 BTC [+] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.1175 = 2.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0827 = 0.3308 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: at some point we will make #freenode on irc.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 642 @ 0.00019618 = 0.1259 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0834 = 0.417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00087019 = 20.754 BTC [+] {2}
Bugpowder: blast from the past! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50206.0
omen1855: nice read Bugpowder
omen1855: before my days, but history repeats itself very quickly
Bugpowder: probably been repeating itself for 2 years without people knowing about it.
Bugpowder: :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
Guest4752: soo what's new
Duffer1: scammers scamming
Duffer1: air is still breathable
Bugpowder: Rain rain rain
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you tihnking of making an irc network ?
kakobrekla: well, it was more of a joke and id rather not, but if it comes to it, i would.
kakobrekla: like the 15th standard you know.
mircea_popescu: it's a bitch to run them tho, because ddos.
asciilifeform: did anyone ever step up with decent hosting for whatever?
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather add servers to freenode's pool than split the effort.
mircea_popescu: then again, that'd require them extracting head from bunghole, which may prove more difficult.
asciilifeform: phuctor is still languishing on a godforsaken EC2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rly any serious btc hoster as of yet
asciilifeform: phuck.
mircea_popescu: it's only been 5 years of btc so...
kakobrekla: well it depends on the size i guess, we have a small alter irc network in slovenia with like 200 people and 3 or so servers, works just fine for years
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and then agency X wants to send 100gbit floods because why not.
jurov: asciilifeform: what about SDF?
jurov: http://sdf.lonestar.org/
ozbot: SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access
asciilifeform: jurov: i thought that was a 'free shell for people learning unix' thing
jurov: no, iirc they offer full paid package
asciilifeform: jurov: for btc?
kakobrekla: im not saying it cant happen but small fishes dont stand out
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah but once we move assets there it becomes huge fish
jurov: they don't even take linux seriously. don't ask them about btc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: at least when irc.assets.whatever gets ddosed, we'll know that it's for us and not for some lamer on #l33td00dz or whatnot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00482998 = 2.415 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: heh
mircea_popescu: this is true.
mircea_popescu: then again...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla keeps being rude and arrogant to customer support ppls
kakobrekla: :(
kakobrekla: they are rude.
mircea_popescu: that guy was lulzy.
jurov: he's actually lucky kako did not start with slander
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671539/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 5 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if you ever get a pet salamander
mircea_popescu: you gotta name it slander
kakobrekla: bah more
assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671540/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 10 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: slander the slender salamander
Diablo-D3: wtf happened now?
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: btw what does this do
Jere_Jones: I'd just like to reiterate that I appreciate the advice -assets gave me about trying to buy goxbtc. Thanks folks.
assbot: Last 65536 lines bashed and pending review. (error)
mircea_popescu: !b 65536 ✂︎
kakobrekla: endoftheworld.swf
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform: !b -1
mircea_popescu: !b $maxint
jurov: !b NaN
mircea_popescu: !b usagi
jurov: usagi is not positive nor integer
mircea_popescu: you dare slander usagi's integrity ?
asciilifeform: any of you folks own a USB fault injector?
mircea_popescu: what are you, like my sockpuppet ?
asciilifeform: or care to recommend one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this some new sexual slang ?
asciilifeform: i wanna see what cardano's usb controller does with malformed frames
asciilifeform: (to trip 'fail deadly' mechanism)
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: deposit flush plz
jurov: mircea_popescu: it is already known what happens to mpoe in a hour and half?
jurov: is coinbr likely to survive it? :DDD
mircea_popescu: jurov i can't imagine why coinbr'd suffer.
asciilifeform: do we have some apocalypse scheduled?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder aite.
Bugpowder: tx tx
asciilifeform: damn i should actually read the logs, shouldn't i
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just the regularly scheduled mpoe statement
asciilifeform: aha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00482963 = 0.4443 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: asciilifeform mpoe bot has no info about market rates, so i'm curious how it will autoexercise
bones`: what would it take to be a serious BTC host?
jurov: or if mpoe strts spewing garbage instead
kakobrekla: i think most serial was cloudify or something like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00482985 = 0.4347 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: bones` like a decade of experience in the field, actual connections, actual rented floor in multiple dcs, working relationships with the dc management, the tier 1 bw providers and parts suppliers.
mircea_popescu: also puppet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00482999 = 0.3864 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds costly.
bones`: It is
kakobrekla: incloudibly is what i ment
diametric: man I wish I had a laser cutter with a powered Z axis
kakobrekla: http://incloudibly.com/en/cloud
ozbot: DDoS Protected Cloud Hosting, Cloud VPS - Free DDos Protection - Free 7-day Trial :: Incloudibly
bones`: That's what I do by trade, and obviously I'm new here trying to expand my mind a bit
kakobrekla: i think that best you can get now :\
asciilifeform: diametric: wonder if something like a powered 'whoopie cushion' would work
bones`: A few others and I have a hosting company but we're only in Philly right now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, it's not as costly as diametric's 3d printer farm
diametric: asciilifeform: that doesn't speak precision to me
mircea_popescu: Bones_ so how many cages you run ?
bones`: Two, we're still small and boostrapped
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhltqAaIUAAYOA_.png:large << check out this thing.
mircea_popescu: all the cultures the us "invaded" have actually successfuly invaded the us.
bones`: Also bootstrapped
asciilifeform: diametric: hydraulic piston?
diametric: asciilifeform: well my Z is just leadscrews right now manually driven.. really crappy quality at that. I'd be better off just buying a new better laser
mircea_popescu: bones` aha.
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asciilifeform: diametric: my unit has z-axis with screws and belt. all one would have to do there is add a stepper with roller to turn the belt.
diametric: asciilifeform: i'd be skeptical those screws are very accurate
diametric: err accurate is not the word I meant
diametric: I mean, smooth
mircea_popescu: what are they made of ?
asciilifeform: diametric: you don't need much accuracy if you fix a photocell to the platform, to measure power (since whole point of z-axis is to focus the beam ideally)
diametric: something cheap I'm sure, the leadscrews in mine are really, really crappy.
diametric: asciilifeform: yeah
asciilifeform: so have the beam return to the measuring cell periodically
asciilifeform: (whenever z is to move)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is such a soviet.
asciilifeform: eh why
mircea_popescu: "eh, you don't need working parts, just add feedback"
diametric: haha
mircea_popescu: "it'll sort itself out"
asciilifeform: so long as it converges, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: i didn;t say "asciilifeform should be less of a soviet" now did i.
Diablo-D3: holy fucking fuck people
Diablo-D3: everyone shut the fuck up
asciilifeform: (helps if you remember some from differential equations)
Diablo-D3: you all have work to do
Diablo-D3: go do it
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kakobrekla: did you relaunch DMC 5 yet?
mircea_popescu: i don't have work to do.
asciilifeform: diametric: incidentally, you can get a real-time picture of the beam focus using an ordinary usb camera - taking care that it never sits in the sweet spot (smoked ccd)
mircea_popescu: here, productivity aide : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhl-Y9UCYAAht1A.png:large
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Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: flushed yet? Gotta run shortly.
mircea_popescu: prolly be a little.
Bugpowder: ok
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Bugpowder: Will check back in an hour
Bugpowder: l8r
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mircea_popescu: the whole of twitter is made up of experts on the ukraine now.
mircea_popescu: it's a sickening display.
Diablo-D3: can we ban people talking about the ukraine?
Diablo-D3: [05:36:38] <kakobrekla> did you relaunch DMC 5 yet?
Diablo-D3: a) 5? what happened to the other 3? b) Im no longer interested in DMC.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile rbs just announced it kinda... misplaced the 100bn the taxpayer provided
mircea_popescu: so i guess another 2-3-500bn is in order.
asciilifeform: usg ought to send me a new passport if the damn thing splits
asciilifeform: (u.s. passports have 'birthplace' field)
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's about 70% settled the crimeea splits off.
kakobrekla: well,... he did mention ukraine.
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mircea_popescu: lol a little much
mircea_popescu: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/when-private-patrols-pull-the-trigger/Content?oid=3848954
ozbot: When Private Patrols Pull The Trigger |
mircea_popescu: brandished a lethal prybar and advanced toward the security guard in a threatening manner
mircea_popescu: "Much of the debate has focused on the ethics and effectiveness of bringing more guns and officers to wealthier parts of Oakland."
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, it's totally unethical for rich people to have better shit than poor people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phact. security detail at the us army lab where i used to work was 100% rentacop
asciilifeform: just like the ones at shopping malls
mircea_popescu: afaik it's pretty much rent a cop everywhere.
mircea_popescu: right, banks, upscale retailers, the works.
asciilifeform: one would imagine that an army base would be guarded by grunts
mircea_popescu: i don't think i know a manhattan hotel that doesn't
asciilifeform: but no.
mircea_popescu: grunts are about as fucking useless as you'd imagine.
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asciilifeform: blue rentacops, with very 'western' chromed six-shooters.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots too.
mircea_popescu: cluj airport, about 15 years ago. previously unsecured at all, because well... originally was secured by army, then those went out, a whole story.
mircea_popescu: airport had no security for like a year
mircea_popescu: eventually the head decided they must hire somebody
asciilifeform: haha - and no one stole it.
mircea_popescu: so they hired this ridiculous company, full of basically idiots
mircea_popescu: they lined up about 40% chicks, and it really looked like phi kappa gamma or some shit
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mircea_popescu: one day i went behind one of these "security agents" and took her gun right out of her holster.
mircea_popescu: just like that.
mircea_popescu: gave it to the boss next we met.
mircea_popescu: not like she could have fired it anyway, the gun was a .45 and the chick was like 90 lbs
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asciilifeform: as i understand, this is routinely done to u.s. cops
asciilifeform: in soviet army, losing your weapon was (theoretically) a capital offense.
mircea_popescu: well romanian army was heavily influenced, so same.
asciilifeform: .45 ACP?
asciilifeform: i thought it only existed on this side of the atlantic
mircea_popescu: iirc it was a ruger
mircea_popescu: very respectable gun, definitely would have sold for more than its "owner", on the open market.
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asciilifeform: phun phact: it is said that modern russia still has a huge stockpile of unused 45acp, shipped during 'lend-lease', along with a multitude of 'tommy gun', never used
asciilifeform: (from same)
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you think they'd have been reclaimed during the 90s ?
asciilifeform: sitting in some 'indiana jones' style warehouse
asciilifeform: in the '90s, russian market was full of 'reclaimed' military/police hardware of that period, so not much use for 45
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asciilifeform: (reclaimed in the sense of that guard)
mircea_popescu: lemme see if i can find this footage again
mircea_popescu: seems to have disappeared. anyway.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was it ?
mircea_popescu: troop of gendarmes, losing weapons on march
mircea_popescu: it was a rare sight
mircea_popescu: passerbys were like... hey dude... don't you like... need that ?
asciilifeform: 1) arrange to 'lose' hardware 2) finder 'finds' 3) profit!1!
asciilifeform: is the traditional formula.
mircea_popescu: nah, these were just dazed kids.
mircea_popescu: was in the fucking central square, broad daylight, 1k people around
asciilifeform: anybody picked it up?
mircea_popescu: well nobody wanted it apparently.
asciilifeform: well, no one is likely to 'want' it before sun down.
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mircea_popescu: http://news.yahoo.com/russia-sent-several-hundred-troops-ukraine-us-official-225850494.html
ozbot: Russia sent 'several hundred' troops into Ukraine: US official - Yahoo News
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: go-time
asciilifeform: from 'recommended' tab in that piece: 'Substitute teacher, 72, arrested for furiously masturbating in high school hallway.'
nubbins`: reports of armed soldiers @ the airports
nubbins`: asciilifeform: is there any other way?!
mircea_popescu: from the oldies but goldies dept : http://trilema.com/2013/the-state-banking-and-bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: "Rome days away from bankruptcy. Eternal city warns it will go bust for the first time since it was destroyed by Nero."
mircea_popescu: let that be a warning to anyone thinking about passing legislation disrespectful of bitcoin :
mircea_popescu: bankruptcy is not only a possibility, but quite a reality.
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BingoBoingo: Rome ==== the Detroit of Europe
nubbins`: i've always kind of felt that organized groups of humans are inherently unstable after you surpass a certain size
mircea_popescu: pretty much. gypstaly and all that.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` rome worked ok for along time.
mircea_popescu: "Rome won't even have money to canonize two Popes, John-Paul II and John XXIII"
mircea_popescu: imagine poor wojtyla sitting in heaven,
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mircea_popescu: "hey, you a saint yet ?" "naw, they can't fucking afford the fumigation bill"
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moiety: mew :)
mircea_popescu: moiety http://i.imgur.com/DWGvT.gif
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moiety would reply to mircea but is too busy searching the house for bulldog clips
moiety: thats crazy!