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kalki: well howdy, thanks BingoBoingo
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 238.819412, Best ask: 238.821024, Bid-ask spread: 0.00161, Last trade: 238.821024, 24 hour volume: 16805.89870000, 24 hour low: 237.046212, 24 hour high: 239.79306, 24 hour vwap: 238.793813571
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BingoBoingo: So I joined #bitcoin-assets-trades and strongly recommend it. So much lulz when assbot reports the Havelol trades. Good for at least a chuckled every time I check the feed there
Adlai: Vexual: what do you think about assbot trades in the main channel
Adlai says, people who really care, can /join #bitcoin-assets-trades
BingoBoingo: Big trades seem fine. Not all that common. Tis information. Small trades though... like <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00005229 = 0.0029 BTC [-]
Adlai: it's only information if you care about it
☟︎ Vexual: Adlai: it's good info i guess, prolly gets digested in ways that I can't imagine
Adlai: so hard to imagine?
Vexual: I did like your startup, alcohol something
Adlai: i'd rather expect that my imagination wildly exceeds the mundane reality
danielpbarron: it's interesting see where the trades line up with conversation in here
Adlai: have any examples of that?
Adlai: !s from:adlai moves
Adlai: hmmm now where is it
Vexual: lowercase l next to capitol I made me Iol
hanbot: <Adlai> it's only information if you care about it << that'd be a great creed for #bitcoin-assets-candyland
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2013 19:59:48; mircea_popescu: back to 35. teh wow. teh incredible. movement!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31479 @ 0.00028775 = 9.0581 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: 'all our ad-hoc hardware is mashed together in an ad-hoc fashion, so let's make an ad-hoc language to describe it'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69408 @ 0.00028271 = 19.6223 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: too expensive didnt read but ive been bitten by a fireant
Vexual: mps 8ch endeavour has left evry free vestage of trilema reading barren
Vexual: how many creds does it cost to read an article?
Vexual: thought that might be the case
danielpbarron: although i burn most of mine reloading the same articles over and over again as i pull them up to link in forum posts and whatnot
Vexual: still the minimus sees you fit to the next halving at least
mats: pacific beach is amazing
mats: black and gold sand
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2015 19:38:35; mats: another fun fact: you can physically damage XP installations via ACPI parsing and NtSystemDebugControl, entirely in usermode
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2014 20:06:04; Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00029979 = 1.7538 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: there is a mysterious world that exists behind the nda's of american megatrends, intel, and microsoft
decimation: where they conspire to paper over tons of buggy shit
decimation: also there must be a significant taiwan connection, because that's where the buggy hardware is made
decimation: and an army of local natives to staff it
decimation: so apparently the evidence is that you can buy loyalty by employing h1b serfs, not by paying contractors in a derpy bureaucracy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83400 @ 0.00029993 = 25.0142 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: I wonder how many people actually design a server motherboard? probably less than 10
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67750 @ 0.00030123 = 20.4083 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, I suspect about 80% of the design is pure 'reference implementation'
decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: ending up in a situation where 'nobody is in charge'
decimation: which explains why building computer hardware looks alot more like conspiracy than product design
mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
☟︎ decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
☟︎ decimation: dijkstra: "My conclusion is that it is becoming most urgent to stop to consider programming primarily as the minimization of a cost/performance ratio. We should recognise that already now programming is much more an intellectual challenge: the art of programming is the art of organising complexity, of mastering multitude and avoiding its bastard chaos as effectively as possible.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual How much does that roo salami sell for?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0003011 = 3.1013 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 13:02:58; mircea_popescu: or maybe jesus will.
Vexual: i migh6t be off, its expensive
Vexual: yeah theyre hard to catch
Vexual: and you need the landholders permission
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00029328 = 7.0094 BTC [-]
decimation: they had a top gear uk episode recently on a ranch in western australia I think
decimation: place was massive, several hundred square miles
decimation: australia may be a fucked up place but it is long on land
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00029974 = 5.9948 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00029328 = 18.066 BTC [-]
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decimation: williamdunne: yeah it's a shame that they did in clarkson
decimation: he's a dick but that's his personality
williamdunne: Its what made the show, think it'll probably be dead now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56492 @ 0.00029765 = 16.8148 BTC [-]
decimation: yeah, they tried to make a us version and it was shit
williamdunne: Most people who watch it don't even really care about cars, just like watching the three of them bum around
williamdunne: On a different note, I have found an elderly Max Keiser!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83711 @ 0.0002939 = 24.6027 BTC [-]
mats: ive been moving between x86 and arm a lot
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00028644 = 7.4045 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00029104 = 6.5047 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Fuck Imma have to start using that word all together
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69969 @ 0.00028298 = 19.7998 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: I said the IRS was back of the cannon'd for all da information
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [01:32] rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth << girl and i both lold
mats: taiwan is a very nice aircraft carrier
Vexual: cunt even allow smoking
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82000 @ 0.00027958 = 22.9256 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1, ie 100000000000000000000000000000001 ie 4294967297
mircea_popescu: the most that can be said of a number produced through taking a composite (moduli are composites - of two primes yes, but composite) and applying the 32bit mirroring process is that you'll obtain an odd number. that's it. the probability of a number that large being prime is roughly speaking n/ln(n)
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 05:04:30; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics:
http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or numerically, the confidence that none is prime is something like 97% or thereabouts.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:24:50; Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic?
mircea_popescu: you'll never be able to go to the moon with just the two pairs you got!
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145932 << the problem with finance isn't "that there exist numbers" but "that there exists unknowns". fixed inflation is not fundamentally different from zero inflation just as long as the inflation is known. which of the two is more convenient (and it's purely a matter of clerical convenience) reduces to a discussion of whether humanity is an ever-expanding cancer or a c
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:32; Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
mircea_popescu: i happen to believe the later's the case, but i would certainly regret to see the alternative viewpoint bereft of an experimentally available venue, because i am by no means certain this is so.
mircea_popescu: for this reason, monero's choice is reasonable whatever anyone involved may personally believe - because bitcoin already exists
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00028816 = 2.4197 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's an open-source project, so I'm waiting for contributors to fill that stuff in :)
mircea_popescu: still, from the other pov... fuckall knows what's in there.
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that the first time around (ie, bitcoin), i spent my own money/time to get it researched. but expecting the same be done the 2nd time around is unreasonable.
mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: zero coin seems to me exactly designed as a lizard hitler back-up, "alt-bitcoin" bs.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony in any case, comparisons with dead cows like zerocoin, coinjoin etc aren't interesting. i'd like to hear a comparison with bitbet mixing, which is to my eyes the golden standard in bitcoin anonimizing of chain-visible transactions.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:41; mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
mircea_popescu: much like any two bit bitcoin-wallet / what have you, their time to "be hacked" will come.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:37:37; mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:39:59; *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:45:41; williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 00:57:54; Adlai: it's only information if you care about it
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:33:20; decimation: where's our 'snowden' from that world?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00028136 = 39.5029 BTC [-]
davout: monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
davout: mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
davout: fluffypony: this correct? ^
mircea_popescu: davout see kinda why i'm waiting for him to decide to present it.
davout: you could, again if i understand correctly, decide to only spend a single input and work in a bitcoin-like 'degraded' mode
davout: in this case the sig may actually be smaller
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
mircea_popescu: davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive.
davout: fluffypony: what was that podcast you made in which you explained how monero works?
mircea_popescu: sure... and whether you do or don't, your clothes will be gray.
davout: so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow
davout: i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 02:39:04; decimation: australia may be a fucked up place but it is long on land
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.0002883 = 18.1917 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: 95% of australia isn't livable
mircea_popescu: dude if the soviets did something right... caviar's been dead since the 90s.
fluffypony: davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input)
fluffypony: but we can prune and retain the txoset and the key image set
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose?
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:59:24; mircea_popescu: out of what, 350 ?
fluffypony: oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how does someone else using a 1 instead of a 5 degrade my privacy ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction
fluffypony bearing in mind that it's on a per-input basis
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fluffypony: that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it
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cazalla: bwahah btc.com already closed up shop
mircea_popescu: cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc.
mircea_popescu: here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00029527 = 7.618 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out.
mircea_popescu: thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation.
mircea_popescu: paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind.
cazalla: i figured him as autistic tbh
mircea_popescu: the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable.
cazalla: in his videos his eyes have that glassed over, empty look
cazalla: but anyway, btc.com and bitcoin.com, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time
mircea_popescu: and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive.
fluffypony: when they say it "lead to the loss of the domain" what do they mean
mircea_popescu: so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism.
mircea_popescu: the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now
cazalla: fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00029942 = 16.7076 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace.
cazalla: but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit
mircea_popescu: which is why we don't believe for a second that this is a bona fide business dispute.
cazalla: kids and their pokemon cards
chetty: appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them
mircea_popescu: if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015"
chetty: O made exec order about giving illegals status and green cards and stuff, Texas sued
cazalla: i thought his amnesty was quite limited to who and time (3 years?)
mircea_popescu: chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ?
chetty: well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it
mircea_popescu: no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government".
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gribble: Current Blocks: 358240 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47387880401.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.90858
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29419 @ 0.00029791 = 8.7642 BTC [-]
jurov: hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too
gribble: You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL.
jurov: i wouldn't be surprised at all if baseband has that
jurov: it's done by the same chumps as these routers
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:05:20; *: mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:07:45; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
jurov: lol my parents were in '87 to moscow/leningrad and naively went shopping to "beriozka" for rubbles ... were told "dolary" and shown the door
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on.
jurov: have you seen gavin complaining research doesn't clearly support it?
jurov: there are n900's with broken gsm module available cheaply, and they have 32GB flash storage
jurov: 80211n no, wifi still works
jurov: no here it's same as pogo
jurov: also you forget that you have to buy ssd for the pogo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nor is there any hope for naive "social media" pseudo-businesses in the future.
jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: by which i mean facebook and its spawn, twitter, reddit etc.
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to make it impossible for the usg to pretend like itexists.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to make it impossible for anyone to use it for any useful purpose.
mircea_popescu: weren't you insisting, a day or two ago, that "these folks can still eat - unaffacted" ?
mircea_popescu: but then you yourself do notice that no, they can't eat, when you say "folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money."
mircea_popescu: soon enough usg folk will be able to eat paper and so on.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
mircea_popescu: lmao schmuck is STILL going on with his retarded "no comments allowed" posts about how bitcoin this or that ?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> in any case : the beatings will continue.
jurov: "on irc, no one knows i am a dog"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point. yes, they will try, which is why you (the impersonal you) wants to get out of there.
mircea_popescu: maybe dog knows but believes it somehow is exceptional for him.
mircea_popescu: "when i see birds using ddt i'll believe it" or somesuch
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jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i will for the record point out that the way alf and apparently everyone else's adopted "pet" to refer to their SO is driving some of the slavegirls up the fucking walls.
mircea_popescu: i suspek it's mostly because i use "good pet" as a congratulatory term. as opposed to variations of "you motherfuckin' bitch you!" and so on.
jurov: honey badgers of soccer
jurov: of power rangers of ~ ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, romania had a similar thing going coupla years ago, sent half the coaches/club heads/trainers etc in the country behind bars
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9100 @ 0.00014 = 1.274 BTC [-] {5}
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mats: " Obama noted that the controversial bulk phone collections program, which was exposed by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, is reformed in the House bill, which does away with it over six months and instead gives phone companies the responsibility of maintaining phone records that the government can search."
assbot: Logged on 24-05-2015 15:09:42; mircea_popescu: mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 15:01:32; jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' << 'alerts' can be delivered per-node?
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
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assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 16:56:58; ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
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ben_vulpes: not husbandry in the marital sense, ascii_field
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mats: so, whats going on here is that the USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 aircraft for some time now, largely on the basis that they don't really give a shit about the Army and don't want to provide support to other programs with money from their own budget
mats: which would be fine except there's no way to replace the capability of the A-10 with something else
ascii_field: good riddance and three cheers to the eventual replacement of all usg aircraft with paper airplanes.
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assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:44:35; jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
danielpbarron: it's about the same size on my non-pogo node; how big is it for the "core" implementation
mod6: my full sync's (non-pogo) with v0.5.3.1 are about the same 44-45Gb
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: jurov seems they're making the point quite plainly : "we call this encryption, but really it's only intended to keep your pictures on stolen phones away from the thief. nothing absolutely to do with security, just a gimmick"
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jurov: more like "intended to keep application data away from phone owner"
mircea_popescu: mats not just the thunderbolt. same story with the warthog. idea being basically "we wish to move on from this real-items tethered system of bezzle to a system of pure bezzle. we do not wish to have any further actual items involved in the entire allocation and expenditure of budgets thing"
jurov: pics are nowhere mentioned, they§ll stay unencrypted
mircea_popescu: i can see why, too. if there's no actual items involved there's much less risk to doing it all, as nobody can ever be shown definitively to have fucked up.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 19:44:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well inasmuch as that's what "produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone" means, you did.
ascii_field: i do agree, pets must be exercised properly
ascii_field: some kinds of pet, for instance, may be turned loose to roam and hunt
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ascii_field: unrelated: anybody locate the inevitable pgp client which only looks at bottom (or top) 32 bits of each 64-bit modulus chunk when computing fingerprint ?
mircea_popescu: hunt for it has been ongoing, but we don't have one yet
mircea_popescu: the chumps derping about self-importantly on "cryptographic" "lists" etc are certainly using it - but so far too dumb to realise they shyould be looking.
mircea_popescu: (i could diddle one too, what use is it. we need the actual item, not something custom made)
ascii_field: naturally bounty would require proving that the animal existed in the wild prior to the discovery
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather take someone's word. which requires people motivated by their own functioning head.
ascii_field: i conjecture that the overlap of these and the folks using chump-pgp is a null set
ascii_field: complete with ancient versions of winblows, etc
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mircea_popescu: since we were discussing airplanes : f-15, pretty much the only successful military jet to be ever designed and produced by the us by itself, has cost ~35 bn for the ~1200 items produced, and has managed a total kill score of ~100.
mircea_popescu: this means each aerial victory the us has obtained through its most successful program to date cost ~350 million dollars.
mircea_popescu: anyone wonder why they prefer to win imaginary victories via bribing whatever newspaper is fashionable that day ? shit's damned expensive.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: very much broken assumption here, though
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the airplane was not built for victories
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it was made to 1) intimidate 2) churn money
ascii_field: afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec
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ascii_field just noticed anal pattern in mircea_popescu's links
ascii_field: just that iirc all of the gurlz are being buggered
ascii_field: 'different strokes for different folks' (TM) (R)
ascii_field amused that ^this is exotic while buggery - sop
ascii_field: 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by an inch' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: romanian expression of superlative chickdom being, "as fute-o si-n pizda"
ascii_field: i don't get it, how did buggery become the 'standard' ?
ascii_field finds it an utterly incomprehensible taste, like the idea of fucking a garden hose
ascii_field: garden hose is far ahead on the list of what to try
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mircea_popescu: so you don't understand the appeal of something you've never tried. not so remarkable neh ?
mircea_popescu: but the error here's thinking of sexual behaviour in objective terms. there's no such thing.
mircea_popescu: or as that chick in pride and prejudice points out, "sometimes it seems like wanting someone to stick his finger in your nose"
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 20:46:33; *: ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
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ascii_field: danielpbarron: needed for just about all of the data structures !
ascii_field: whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper
danielpbarron: is it possible to replace all the foreach loops with regular old for loops?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: in principle. bloating the code 20x
ascii_field: and you would have to replace the lists, hashmaps, etc. with something equivalent
mircea_popescu: yeah sadly this is not really distinct from plain rewrite
ascii_field: not only this, but the inevitable result would be a re-implementation of 'boost.'
ascii_field: cpp is a turd and it is boost which was used here to keep the turd sufficiently solid for lathe work
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mod6: <+ascii_field> whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper << i saw some power-ranger derping in -dev about how it only use boost for "FOREACH" loops. was thinking "have you actually even read the code?!?"
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trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel I did a git pull, and now the repl fills with dots perpetually instead of freezing, looks like the stumpwm process is doing a lot