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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, wth is that
asciilifeform: as if i knew
asciilifeform: but there's yer favicon
mircea_popescu: seems like some sort of pared down btc client, from the desc ?
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=AAABAAEAEBAAAAEAIABoBAAAFgAAACgAAAAQAAAAIAAAAAEAIAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA&oq=AAABAAEAEBAAAAEAIABoBAAAFgAAACgAAAAQAAAAIAAAAAEAIAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
assbot: AAABAAEAEBAAAAEAIABoBAAAFgAAACgAAAAQAAAAIAAAAAEAIAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1th1T6J )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24549 @ 0.00049322 = 12.1081 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: marymilk.com.br - c99shell
mircea_popescu: it seems its all over the place,
punkman: asciilifeform: nah just the common image format parts match
mike_c: http://www.dslreports.com/favicon.ico
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1th4b5G )
asciilifeform: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22713452-The-unofficial-BBR-newtab-button-for-Firefox-35
assbot: The unofficial BBR newtab button for Firefox 3.5... - Mozilla Software | DSLReports Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1th4tJY )
mike_c: i believe dslreports used to be broadbandreports (bbr?)
asciilifeform: full match
mircea_popescu: mike_c, correct.
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
BingoBoingo: You live!
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: idk, something to harvest our ips << lol, all you lot probably port-scanned that thing, consider yourselves 'harvested' for what it's worth
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no favicon exploit necessary!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it not having anything open is part of why it's so suspicious.
mircea_popescu: no derp running with :80 open but "forbidden" and a random camo-favicon is going to be running that tight a portship.
asciilifeform: listens for udp; uses 'knocking'; is switched mostly off; take yer pick
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was the role of that box again ?
mircea_popescu: unjustified outbound connection by recently owned router upon bootup
mircea_popescu: nfi what role that is.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: back from patagonia. kilometers driven: 6900
mircea_popescu: wd!
mthreat: nice article about dolar blue: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0d814a126fafb4ac3a424df77e3b4bd2f5390401b2814245f184a087
mthreat: oops
mircea_popescu: lol
mthreat: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/analysis/inside-argentinas-blue-dollar-market/
mircea_popescu: it took a brief dive while you were away
mthreat: yeah, which worked out great for me
mthreat: I changed a bunch before leaving, at 14.4 / dollar
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 330780 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1859 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, 18 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39043350482.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.11831
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13151 @ 0.00049322 = 6.4863 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: is disclosure of your knowledge of the pwning such a good idea?
BingoBoingo: !up sga4gawerga
BingoBoingo: Hello sga4gawerga
mats_cd03: now counter intel may be harder.
asciilifeform: i assume that if mircea_popescu wanted to play funkspiel with the fellow on the other end of the wire, he would have kept the discovery to himself...
asciilifeform: how the hell does one say funkspiel in english, anyway
BingoBoingo: radio play is close
BingoBoingo: But strips any particular context
BingoBoingo: BEcause English sucks
asciilifeform: say 'radio play' and folks think 'war of the worlds'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34249 @ 0.00048938 = 16.7608 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: what funkspiel is, i think, is now obvious from context
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03, i don't care.
mircea_popescu: nao someone try exposing a hostmask and see if it still gets flooded.
asciilifeform has not noticed a great flood, prior
mircea_popescu: it's directed at noobs.
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: incidentally, i have long expected that the day will come when all the world's idiots, with their bags of cheap tricks, arrive here.
mircea_popescu: obviously.
asciilifeform: the quiet, thoughtful idiots, one ought to expect, will put on a more interesting performance than the loud and noxious ones
mircea_popescu: the problem with putting up an adult flag in a world of children is that you get crowded by all the kids that are trying to mature but don't know how
mircea_popescu: and obviously, they would "prefer it" if it worked the way they want it to work, rather than the way it actually works.
mircea_popescu: anywya, bbiab.
asciilifeform: if this was spamzero's 'beautiful surprise' - disappointment!
BingoBoingo: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/The_family_legal_fight_over_Ryan_Howards_finances.html
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: Woah bro, http://oi61.tinypic.com/a59gl.jpg
kakobrekla: next time pick a image host with more ads
BingoBoingo: Well, in encouraging news apparently the value of a Mosin Nagant is still well under half a BTC
devthedev: kakobrekla: It's the only one I can access.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: IMGUR?
devthedev: Nope
BingoBoingo: parental filtering or something?
devthedev: No, filtering on this school issued Mac Book.
kakobrekla: O_O
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/35733H2.txt )
kakobrekla: !b 8 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: devthedev: You know... OpenBSD and Gentoo have Mac PPC ports
devthedev: The bootloader's locked
BingoBoingo: No such thing
danielpbarron: just got a call from xanthyos; he's out of surgery, and said that his surgnesergen
danielpbarron: surgen's* name was Richard O. Frank
BingoBoingo: Good news? Or neutral news because he was a bit to drugged up to be intelligible still.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: There's firmware password protection
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Needle, steady hand, current.
devthedev: danielpbarron: Do you know if everything went okay?
kakobrekla: devthedev even better: window. throw out.
danielpbarron: i'm talking to him now, he called back
kakobrekla: tell him we are happy for his penis
BingoBoingo: ^
devthedev: It's too cold outside to open the window.
kakobrekla: throw it though a closed one then , i dont mind
asciilifeform: devthedev: find nearest scrapyard, under the cover of night - steal an actual computer
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19BBFKZ.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: I really don't know many computer vendors atm with compelling offerings other than Ebay and surplus auctions
BingoBoingo: Real computer http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Macintosh-Color-Classic-Computer-w-Keyboard-and-Mouse-5554-/111502858502?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item19f6169906 Network connectvity http://www.ebay.com/itm/Macintosh-Color-Classic-Ethernet-Card-Apple-LC-575-PDS-Farallon-New-Networking-/231332620598?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item35dc7fa936
assbot: Apple Macintosh Color Classic Computer w Keyboard and Mouse 5554 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnzxCb )
assbot: Macintosh Color Classic Ethernet Card Apple LC 575 PDS Farallon New Networking | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnzxCf )
kakobrekla: only if it werent crapple
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yours ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, the price of color is you don't get the 6830 and ability to run A/UX
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember to explain one day why so fond of a/ux
dub: [18:01] <PBminingDotCom> hi can you up me please
dub: seems legit
devthedev: Without a doubt
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's just another 80's unix. Just this one is build for the late 80's
BingoBoingo: And compact learner friendly machine
asciilifeform: so many compact learner friendly machines to choose from that period! why BingoBoingo went with the one covered in gui menstruade...?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also what other OS could I run on a $10 computer when I got bored with Mac OS?
asciilifeform: netbsd ?
BingoBoingo: netbsd's cost was too high in the need to know it existed at the time
BingoBoingo: At the time my knowledge of the internet was that some how you can go from HTML to porn according to Newsweek
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but somehow ended up with a copy of (nearly unobtainable) a/ux by accident ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also at school auction in the free bin
BingoBoingo prolly should have splurged for the Apple II GS
nubbins`: books
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/2eUsRoK
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2bu7N )
nubbins`: dem hand-sewn bindings
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: not many stiches
nubbins`: nah, not many required. they'll be bound tight and then the spines will be glued to the covers
nubbins`: inside the fold: http://imgur.com/7u6JVrj
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1uTyViv )
nubbins`: http://youtu.be/IRBAZJ4lF0U
assbot: Grandmas Smoking Weed for the First Time (Extended Cut) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1uTClSg )
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rnc-investigated-after-evidence-destroyed-in-kevin-kelly-case-1.2840206
nubbins`: i wanna start printing the covers tonight but i'm a bit intimidated :o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1726 @ 0.00118 = 2.0367 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/11/19/kuwait_s_novel_solution_for_undocumented_residents_buy_them_citizenship.html
BingoBoingo: Wow, there's a city actually named Moroni
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00050762 = 9.8732 BTC [+]
PeterL: What's strange about Moroni? In Utah they also have Bountiful and Nephi
PeterL: and Lehi
BingoBoingo: PeterL: The Moroni I spotted is in Comoros
PeterL: does that make it interesting?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: In the context of Kuwait giving a bunch of its natives who are currently illegal immigrants citizenship in Comoros sure.
PeterL: Is comoros politically connected to kuwait?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Comoros is poorer than liberia. Kuwait is paying Comoros to give these people passports, because... Why not?
BingoBoingo: Comoros has all of the disadvantages of being east african, island, and 21st century majority muslim all bound into a single turd
PeterL: I still don't see the significance of a city named Moroni?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Drop the terminal i
BingoBoingo: ANd consider the teritory is francophone
BingoBoingo: It is in name literally a city of idiots
mats_cd03: lol. bingo with the flourish.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: Well, words have origins
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BingoBoingo: Nikker is a perfectly valid way to express frustration at a person's complete ignorance in Dutch befor ethe language was tainted by acquiring the UK in the Orange revolution
BingoBoingo: Fucking anglo trash were the people who mixed the latin Negro with the Dutch Nikker to create a racial slur
decimation: Moroni: isn't that the name of the Mormon prophet guy
PeterL: yeah, one of them, hence why I mentioned it along with Nephi as a Utah city
decimation: Google: "Q: who owns the internet? A: nobody" << fuck you. if I have a router and a server, I 'own' that piece of the internet. Imagine some peasant showing up in the court of Henry VIII claiming that 'nobody owns' the land under his hovel because the list of owners is large
PeterL: who owns the Earth? Nobody
decimation: sure, why not toss out every law and then split the world into 81 equal squares each owned by 'the people'
PeterL: Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing
decimation: it's true that nobody owns "the whole thing" but that doesn't mean that it is "unowned"
decimation: and it is certainly true that those who own nothing have anything to say to those who do
decimation: at any rate, property rights don't get many facebook likes
mike_c: idk about that. i don't own the electric company, but i have plenty to say to them.
decimation: if you live in the us, the electric company is owned by the people anyway
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22172 @ 0.00049397 = 10.9523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00049397 = 7.8294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00049397 = 10.0523 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: davout:deterministic behaviour, too fucking mainstream <<< i didn't make the internets!
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/Ha8tKf4.gif << lol.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: (on another note: if mp's ego explodes, and no one is around to see it, did it really happen?) << i don't have an ego anymore. it couldn't keep up.
mircea_popescu: "I’ve been thinking about all the ways you could have found the necessary passwords to get into my computer and actually be using it overnight. None of them too easy. You put some pieces together in a pretty clever way and worked around my many accounts with 2fa." << 2fa works.
mircea_popescu: idjits.
mircea_popescu: "edit: Summary of lessons learned
mircea_popescu: Remote Control solfware (i.e. TeamViewer) does not belong on a computer where you may have browser windows open or important files."
asciilifeform: run moar winblows.
mircea_popescu: the only concerning point in all of this is that guy has a wife, and a house.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9394 @ 0.00049397 = 4.6404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57306 @ 0.00049186 = 28.1865 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: why concerning? that he was not darwined earlier ?
mircea_popescu: poor woman.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes and whoever else cares i managed to get .7 unstuck from block 252450 with such DB_CONFIG; http://dpaste.com/25E0QVP.txt .. also it took a while.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11j4Qx2 )
mircea_popescu: set_flags DB_LOG_AUTOREMOVE << wow that actually works ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: DB_LOG_AUTOREMOVE << aha
mircea_popescu: will wonders never cease.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: but the $64k question is, didja have to restart the demon
asciilifeform: at all
kakobrekla: i dont think its db log autoremove, it was there before stuck
asciilifeform: because i did try the max_locks thing, to no avail
mod6: nice kakobrekla
asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu first suggested it
kakobrekla: what do you mean if i have to restart it, i have to restart it every 6 hours as it leaks blood
asciilifeform: lol aha
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: heh.
kakobrekla: what the problem, its automated!
asciilifeform: not fit for launching to orbit.
asciilifeform: (before you say 'ram quotas!', think about how well defined the behaviour of the moments prior to leak death is)
kakobrekla: its also true im running this on a 512 remote instance
kakobrekla: my net is poor here, waiting for an upgrade but im quite far from the central and its just so much they can do
kakobrekla: i guess i should run locally and force local network only or smth
kakobrekla: idk
kakobrekla: think about how well defined the behaviour of the moments prior to leak death is < not really
asciilifeform: at the risk of turning into naggum - must say, this actually matters.
asciilifeform: the general case.
asciilifeform: of 'how well defined is $behavior-in-pathological-condition'
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/1Y/ZE/bLTXXcQ/memory.png
asciilifeform: for instance, what might actually happen when it gets a SIGKILL
asciilifeform: at -any- given point.
decimation: asciilifeform: thus the need for a programming language that cares about such things
kakobrekla: when you see the green line at 1 gig is when i first tried mps suggestion i think
kakobrekla: last one or two rounds are with 40000
kakobrekla: crossing the magick stuck block
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think about the 'exception' mechanism in c++, python, etc? To me it seems like a hack to attempt to account for the shiftiness of system calls
mod6: so first one was with locks=500000?
asciilifeform: decimation: anything short of cl's programmable condition system is retarded.
kakobrekla: most probably all three spikes on daily are with 500000
kakobrekla: at least two
kakobrekla: but i think the third was was 40k already
asciilifeform: decimation: i love it how retarded folks continue to pretend, 30 years later, that one cannot build a system where program is able to go back and correct the cause of an exception
mod6: ah, then the last one looks like it only spiked above .4G briefly.
kakobrekla: anyway i mapped the memory hole
kakobrekla: by making charts.
asciilifeform: if anyone wonders, incidentally, how long that kind of thing can go on - you have an answer. at least that long.
decimation: yeah, they seem like a good idea on the surface, until one realizes that it really saves no work over making a gigantic 'switch/case' statement
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ? :D
decimation: around every system call
mircea_popescu: !up gesella
asciilifeform: (what kind of thing? this king - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 ) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
asciilifeform: *kind
decimation: speaking of which mircea_popescu: so you called it with the debian GR re: systemd, they 'voted' to make init scripts 'optional'
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: decimation: they actually voted for surrender to enemy
mircea_popescu: i was merely following the hints.
asciilifeform: because that is what 'meeting halfway' is.
asciilifeform: 'camel's nose' etc.
asciilifeform: achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and then again halfway.
asciilifeform: again.
asciilifeform: (recurse)
decimation: I don't blame redhat et.al., like larry ellison, they are just exploiting what they can exploit
asciilifeform: lest anyone think tortoise gets nothing from this deal - think again. he gets to derp in front of the other cartoon animals, that - even while his shell is bursting from megacock thrust - that nothing at all is happening
asciilifeform: because it isn't really in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00049175 = 13.6461 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: or something like this.
mircea_popescu: well, in truth the entire "free software" thing was dead a while back.
mircea_popescu: so the remaining pretenders don't manage to cling on to the shoes of their forebears. this should be shocking or what ?
decimation: really, the 'free software' movement was a kind of reaction to microsoft overreach, which has largely splintered into a hundred different corporate factions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not altogether certain it was ever alive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from examples like 'emacs', most of what is actually useful in 'open source' was written in other times, other walls, pre-dating it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was alive at the time it made linux overnight.
asciilifeform: e.g. bsd
decimation: didn't linus say he probably wouldn't have done his thing if bsd was available?
asciilifeform: to the extent 'linux' was a clean-room riff on 'minix' - same deal
asciilifeform: not to mention the userland being there for the taking
mircea_popescu: is bitcoin going to be a "clean room riff" on core-derpage ?
decimation: everyone in the 'free software movement' was happy to allow redhat to take over everything important in userland
decimation: or at least, there wasn't much will to oppose
decimation: I suspect most folks thought they were getting 'free warez'
asciilifeform: one could dispute particulars, but the popular image of 'open source' where 'thousands of people' have meaningful contributions to a project - was always a hallucination.
mircea_popescu: but this hallucination was alive at some point.
mircea_popescu: the hallucination that "people getting togheter" "solve problems" is also a recurrent mode of psychotic social behaviour.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect the same pattern one sees with bitcoind is common in free software, 'the ancients' (typically one elite guy) writes something useful, then shitgnomes dangle turds on it for decades
decimation: asciilifeform: have you ever had occasion to program test equipment that speaks gpib?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
asciilifeform: decimation: although did once work in a lab where quite a few gadgets were using this classic link
decimation: it's like entering a time warp back to 1979
asciilifeform: decimation: but i escaped having to program them.
asciilifeform: decimation: what of it. rs-232 is a 'time warp back to' 1962.
asciilifeform: and it will still be in use in 2062.
decimation: agreed
decimation: maybe rs-482 too
decimation: or something differential
asciilifeform: the basic signalling scheme, not the voltage levels necessarily
decimation: the latest hotness in fpga is to use a serial bus, after folks have lived in the ddr hell
decimation: jesd204 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1279796
assbot: What is JESD204 and why should we pay attention to it? | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/14OXcg3 )
asciilifeform: decimation: what joy. more proprietary crud that has to be on the die for fpga to talk to anything external.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah or you can buy the ip core
decimation: for $$$
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: but yeah the number of onboard 'serdes' modules is becoming a big deal
asciilifeform: which makes the entire proposition of fpga a thinly-veiled scam
asciilifeform: since, idk, 2010 or so
decimation: heh yeah it really does
decimation: 'you can do anything that we allow in our walled garden, shitty tools and shitty errata!!"
asciilifeform: if you go and actually try to implement, e.g., ddr2 controller, using generic logic (yes, i did, and it fit) you quickly discover that it is useless.
decimation: I know folks who have done this, and suceeded, but it took many months of debugging and swearing
asciilifeform: because it uses the general-purpose routing fabric, and propagation delays eat you alive.
asciilifeform: if you grind away at it long enough, you can sometimes figure out the actual physical locations of things on the die
decimation: which results in shitty RTL code to program the thing
asciilifeform: generally, you'll have it figured out by the time... the chip goes out of print.
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: this - is fpga 'in a page.'
asciilifeform: for n00bz.
decimation: which is why many folks don't even bother with fpga for small projects
asciilifeform: generally used when there is absolutely no alternative.
decimation: it's cheaper to run a full server than to pay for the engineering time to dick with the fpga
decimation: and if you are going to run something in huge quantities, might as well make asic
mircea_popescu: well its supposed to be a "prototype"
mircea_popescu: for the sort of people who are genuinely surprised that their thing even works.
asciilifeform: decimation: asic << and here's where the turdmeisters win. many 'asic' products on the market presently are actually 'hardcopy fpga'
decimation: heh yes
asciilifeform: e.g., xilinx wants you to prototype on their fpga, and then offers massively-discounted asic process which simply consists of their fpga die plus custom metallization layer.
decimation: including all the fpga bugs
asciilifeform: naturally you cough up royalties for their 'property'
asciilifeform: e.g., your ethernet card, ddr controller, whatever libs you had the misfortune to rely on
asciilifeform: incidentally, the last time i gave a damn (> 1yr ago) i learned that all the 'miner asic' products had been produced this way.
decimation: my understanding is tha altera is generally easier to deal with here, because they actually do their own r&d to produce these 'ip cores', whereas xilinx tends to contract it out - involving third parties in your product
asciilifeform: altera - same basic scam, ultimately.
asciilifeform: 'the air-seller.'
decimation: this is pretty much the business model for every 'fabless chip corp'
decimation: they all want to be the next qualcomm
asciilifeform: i'm not entirely certain that any piece of silicon that hit the market in the past half decade or so, is a 'real asic.'
asciilifeform: in this sense.
decimation: maybe intel or amd has an actual toolchain?
asciilifeform: i am told that each has a massive proprietary one
asciilifeform: but i would be greatly surprised if modern x86 dies did not have 'licensed' black boxes in them.
asciilifeform: as in, circuit that vendor did not look into and is in fact contractually obligated to at least pretend not to.
decimation: yeah
decimation: probably many of these 'black boxes' were developed by 'startups' funded by usg tax dollars through universities
decimation: to complete the circle
decimation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/06/10/why-qualcomms-royalty-revenue-will-continue-to-decline/ << " Qualcomm’s royalty rate for LTE-only is about 125 basis points lower than for 3G. As the industry transitions from the 3G to 4G technology, Qualcomm’s average royalty rate will come under pressure."
decimation: the problem with 'taxing the wave of massive adoption' is that eventually when the wave passes on, one needs to ride the next wave to sustain all the fleas that have attached to the revenue cow
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE-488#mediaviewer/File:HP7935_rear_HP-IB_port.jpg << i remember when a typical pc had this kind of beautifully painted steel chassis.
assbot: IEEE-488 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/14P1gwE )
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decimation: yeah I used to call it 'centronics' connectors, didn't realize their heritage
asciilifeform: 488 was among the last of the standard buses intended to humour folks who want to build own hardware
mircea_popescu: davout: $10 well spent : poorchan.com << lawl
asciilifeform: (genuinely own, as in, ttl logic)
asciilifeform: one could sorta build own isa cards, yes
asciilifeform: (if you were good with, among other things, a jigsaw)
decimation: yeah I remember the old AT chassis, built like a peice of HP test equipment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i recounted various passages to pet, who cringed << specifically ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the piece where explains three basic types of eunuch op
asciilifeform: (iirc, 'cock snip', 'ball snip', 'full dulap')
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: plus elaborations of how the actual deed was done in various time & places (crushing, pulling, cutting, burning, etc)
mircea_popescu: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/trilema.com << heh! wtf is this bizarro bs.
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/14P2ZlE )
mircea_popescu: meanwhilke "No Bad Glue Detected" etc.
asciilifeform: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/loper-os.org
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/14P3hZF )
asciilifeform: ^ not 100 percent, either
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean...
asciilifeform: but far cry from this marvel.
mircea_popescu: why DOES IT TAKE SO LONG
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this.
asciilifeform: ah you moved it didntcha.
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: "Vitalik Buterin beat Mark Zuckerberg for the 2014 World Technology Network award in IT software. The award is presented for Buterin's role as co-creator and inventor of Ethereum which has yet to exist and co-founding Bitcoin Magazine. "
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me ?!
mircea_popescu: this is a spoof, right ?
asciilifeform: 'Co-creator & inventor, Ethereum; Co-Founder, Bitcoin magazine (Toronto, Canada)' (from original source)
asciilifeform: sadly, nothing there re: the 'yet to exist.'
mircea_popescu: fucking evil, this shit.
mircea_popescu: let's pick a derp with absolutely no merits to give the nobel prize to.
asciilifeform: check out the other nominees.
mircea_popescu: o wait, too late for that.
mircea_popescu: ;;google World Technology Network
gribble: The World Technology Network: <http://www.wtn.net/>; 2014 World Technology Awards Finalists | The World Technology ...: <http://www.wtn.net/summit-2014/world-technology-award-finalists>; [About The WTN] | The World Technology Network: <http://www.wtn.net/about>
mircea_popescu: what, no wikipedia page ?
mircea_popescu: 2002 : Linus Torvalds, Creator, Linux
mircea_popescu: Corp : NTT DoCoMo, Inc.
mircea_popescu: yeah, makes total sense. buterin, the new torvalds
mircea_popescu: *boggle*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0005011 = 8.4686 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: notice paul graham, elon musk, buncha minor catamites, in there.
asciilifeform: buterin is among his fellows.
mircea_popescu: they're really labouring hard to make sure they actualy get boiled in oil, these people.
asciilifeform: lol that was actually my first thought when saw.
asciilifeform: except it was impalement.
decimation: count dracula will not be pleased
mircea_popescu: guy has literally not done anything in his entire life. intern in a meanwhile bankrupt, never relevant trade mag.
mircea_popescu: and shill for a scam.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm unable to say when exactly we reached the point where 'the hunchback can only straighten in his grave' - but it was some years ago.
mircea_popescu: this is the sum total of a life wasted. what's to prize in there ?
mircea_popescu: what i don't understand is how people like linus don't just return the "award"
decimation: or never show up to accept it
mircea_popescu: back when the romanian president gave the star of romania to a bunch of dubious derps, five dozen or so various prior recipients returned them
mircea_popescu: o wait. there's not something to return, is there.
asciilifeform: mailed back medal, sure, anyone can. but what of the money.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it actually comes with money.
decimation: mircea_popescu: could it be that your nameservers (ns7 and ns8) are also inaccessible, thus causing the 'dns outage'?
mircea_popescu: decimation it could be, except they don't see to be.
decimation: they timeout for me
decimation: apparently nobody believes in caching dns anymore
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/trilema.com << and now i'ts perfect
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/14P6qso )
mircea_popescu: except for that one in bangkok, which i imagine si broken
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grunt at ft. meade had to let go of the red button to light a cig
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i was thinking about this earlier. i wonder what % of times is a "matgic packet" router attack successful.
asciilifeform: would depend on the particular magic, no ?
asciilifeform: and how many / what kinds of routing it survives.
mircea_popescu: yeah, just like the % of times a pickup line is successful depends on the pickup line.
asciilifeform: pickup may work on x% of woman; nerve gas - 100%. but notice most folks are interested in - pickup.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00049889 = 10.327 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: intelligence agency is (at least in times gone by) distinguishable from vandal.
asciilifeform: wants - particular router.
asciilifeform: not demolition derby.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck in the past, man.
mircea_popescu: "intelligence" in intelligence agency is like "technology" in world technology awards.
asciilifeform: well the thing about demolition derbies is that they are loudly, obscenely - public.
mircea_popescu: it's not like a particular tribe of idiots took over one particular aspect of society.
mircea_popescu: it's that the fucktarded women that are now in their 50s raised a generation of subhuman scum. and it's everywhere.
asciilifeform: well yes, at this point even the gnomes deep in the mines of moria - can see this.
mircea_popescu: i know of litthe more shameful than being one of the mothers of these people.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Democratic Caucus Angry Tammy Duckworth Denied Proxy Vote << jesus perfect storm. double amputee from iraq, pregnant ?!
mircea_popescu: but still, the lich woman has a point. it sez there, no proxy votes.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/psa-if-youre-trying-to-escape-the-gravity-well-youll-meet-this-on-your-way/
assbot: PSA : If you’re trying to escape the gravity well, you’ll meet this on your way. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11EF9rE )
mircea_popescu: lemme know if the idea is plainly stated and can be followed from the text or i need to explain it better.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! what part of 'emigration' do people not get?
asciilifeform: leave behind reichsmarks in a bank, aha, yes.
mircea_popescu: they sent ~10k of those things in one bulk this month.
asciilifeform: barrel scrape.
mircea_popescu: monday the 3rd. they will prolly send another one, in dec. and so on.
mircea_popescu: well, no. i happen to think the us would be in a better shape if the whole thing sunk but those 10k were saved
mircea_popescu: than the reverse.
asciilifeform: nah barrel scrape from their pov.
asciilifeform: search for loose coins in sofa.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not that.
asciilifeform: 'longcat is long,' insolvent empire is insolvent.
mircea_popescu: it's the leaks.
mircea_popescu: see, if your boat got a leak, and you plug it with 1 sq inch of wood,
mircea_popescu: while this is nothing compared to the bulk of the rest of the boat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050227 = 6.2281 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the effect has been to increase its life expectancy by degrees of magnitude.
asciilifeform: it'll be interesting to see phase 2 of this gambit
mircea_popescu: where do the traitors' dollars go ? to prop up russia, so it laughs at the embargo, right ?
asciilifeform: as in, where'll they put the fools who show up
mircea_popescu: to prop up argentina, so it doesn't care what the ny courts say
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: why put them anywhere ?
asciilifeform: well the 'come to mama' physical lure
asciilifeform: that, presumably, has a purpose?
mircea_popescu: i imagine they just won't extend their passports, if they try to leave again
mircea_popescu: you recall, that "irs wants to check your papers" thing added coupla years ago.
mircea_popescu: but until they do, they can go on about how "it's perfectly fine
mircea_popescu: maybe attract more idiots.
mircea_popescu: ;;google armistitiu moscopol
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: iirc, the version of the statute that actually passed was '50k outstanding tax is grounds for cancel passport'
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHU6YLC0RvE
assbot: FALSA AMNISTIE - JEAN MOSCOPOL - ANTICOMUNIST - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1qZocho )
asciilifeform: now, it's abundantly clear that usd is on its way to 'zimbabwean', 'vanity' currency status like soviet ruble
asciilifeform: but not clear that the buggers actually care to detain the earthly carcasses of the owners, vs. just their holdings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.0004886 = 23.2574 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (for n00bs - a vanity-exchanged currency is approximately as useful outside of the border of demented issuing state as vegas poker chip is outside of vegas)
mircea_popescu: the idea being that since the owners care about their carcasses more than about their coins, keeping them in keeps the coins in.
mircea_popescu: its pretty sound.
mircea_popescu: spain allowed the jews to leave, and well... that was the end of it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if 2015 is going to be the year to leave for its entire length, it's definitely the last one.
asciilifeform: next logical step, likely, is 'exit bond'
asciilifeform: sorta inverse of the 'prove you have enough to live on' demanded when entering certain countries
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: and much like the very real bond to participate in the fake bitcoin auction they're holding, no "shares", no "bonds" and no other bs accepted.
mircea_popescu: gold dollars only.
asciilifeform: well, swift-wireable dollars.
asciilifeform: (notice no bags of benjies accepted either)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67600 @ 0.00048585 = 32.8435 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: oil dollars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33939 @ 0.000478 = 16.2228 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: at any rate, the reason there is not a pandaemonium of attempted republikflucht from usa, and corresponding whack-a-mole game by usg, is very simple -
asciilifeform: most folks here are as likely to escape as dolphin from national aquarium.
asciilifeform: and for same reason.
mircea_popescu: this is not a game of mosts.
asciilifeform: in some ways it is. in that the serious mega-capital is likely already walking
asciilifeform: (who, precisely, will stop it ?)
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: megacapital is megastupid.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're generally old people.
mircea_popescu: for the other... old people.
mircea_popescu: i can find three new wives and learn a language before the month is out. your average "rich guy" is petrified of changing his colenostomy bag brand.
mircea_popescu: "what if!"
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: the rich jews were still trying to make deals with teh reich in 139
mircea_popescu: 1939*
mircea_popescu: the rich senators were still buying armies in rome by 399.
mircea_popescu: none oif them went "fuck this shit, i'm moving to galia narbo and building a castle."
asciilifeform: and 45.
asciilifeform: note (generally omitted from schoolbook histories) the cost of a seat on schindler's train
asciilifeform: payable in diamonds
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: incidentally SOP mechanism for expedient coin-carcass separation.
mircea_popescu: the shitty film they made included all sorts of people that defo weren't there.
mircea_popescu: of course... in retrospect... srsly dude, diamonds ?!
mircea_popescu: bwaahah.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, they were going for bitcoin, which gold isn't. but still... lol.
asciilifeform cannot remember the source for this tidbit, will have to dig. probably ru.
mircea_popescu: it's not controversial.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#700889 ) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2014 23:48:07; asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal
mircea_popescu: lol google got 1e10 tld
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00047122 = 10.3433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00045703 = 6.5812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1744 @ 0.00119084 = 2.0768 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00044036 = 8.2347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00045852 = 12.3342 BTC [+]
davout: ohai
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i can't push assets i don't have
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38947 @ 0.00047137 = 18.3584 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/19/sms_pwnage_on_meellions_of_flawed_sim_cards_popular_4g_modems
assbot: SMS pwnage on MEELLIONS of flawed SIM cards, popular 4G modems • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1xRGXIs )
nubbins`: phun phact, the neutral-color base for our plastisol inks is called "amazing base"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00047214 = 16.0055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25322 @ 0.00047378 = 11.9971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00047634 = 17.315 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: http://rywalk.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/mega-bit-billions-my-original-dao-idea/
assbot: Mega Bit-Billions (my original DAO idea) | Blockchain for the Billions ... ( http://bit.ly/14QMoOj )
nubbins`: i, for one, welcome the opportunity for that sweet gambling revenue to be diverted away from roads, social programs, and the healthcare system, and to be randomly redistributed to the gamblers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21894 @ 0.00046722 = 10.2293 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: what a fucking asshole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26906 @ 0.00046332 = 12.4661 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59285 @ 0.00045934 = 27.232 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.0004556 = 23.6456 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.0004471 = 16.2744 BTC [-] {2}
mats_cd03: he's an idiot is what he is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00044642 = 18.7943 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/after-survery-vessenes-foundation-pivots/
assbot: After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ytBIOD )
kakobrekla: omg banner!
kakobrekla: its a gif!
BingoBoingo: OMG!!!
BingoBoingo: Does anyone know how leveraged trading work?
kakobrekla: where?
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/
assbot: Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ytF4B4 )
kakobrekla: LOL
BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up.
kakobrekla: <Enky> "normal administration" we say in italy
BingoBoingo: Hmmm
BingoBoingo: Well, Coindesk already has a write up http://www.coindesk.com/huobis-bitvc-takes-trader-profit-cover-1-million-loss/
assbot: Huobi's BitVC Takes Trader Profit to Cover $1 Million Loss ... ( http://bit.ly/1ytGPOE )
kakobrekla: shitheads
kakobrekla: huobi i mean
BingoBoingo: Eh, more shitheads than brainheads nowadays
kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron
BingoBoingo: Sure
BingoBoingo: And next week I will gorge on turkey and baked breadcrumbs, because Lincoln wanted a propaganda victory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83650 @ 0.00044946 = 37.5973 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell davout looking into it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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pete_dushenski: howdy!
BingoBoingo: Hello pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
ben_vulpes: https://web.archive.org/web/20070630074251/http://www.zenofeller.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1677&sid=2c5ed556886d6bfe4db5a2f1c9f8c867
assbot: Xenophillia - The Making of a Game. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWKTbR )
ben_vulpes: talk about yer genesis block
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes lol
pete_dushenski: "I aim to make the most complex game I can still balance. This doesn't sound like an easy task, and it's more difficult than it sounds."
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" << no wai!
BingoBoingo: Ya Wai
pete_dushenski: less tawk more walk
pete_dushenski: or less tawk more hobble like a gibble
mats_cd03: such eloquence
pete_dushenski: developer training and certification workshops << gotta prop up that profit when all the "i just wanna support the causers" are sucked dry
mats_cd03: whatever happened to blogs.b-a.com?
TomServo: You mean assass.headfucking.net? :P
TomServo: I believe that was pankkake's - which he somewhat recently shutdown.
pete_dushenski: ya and peterl was working on a replacement but...
pete_dushenski: it's still very on-again-off-again
pete_dushenski: or i should say that scoopbot is
thestringpuller: yea scoopbot doesn't always have the scoop
pete_dushenski: eg last two contravex articles. speaking of which!
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/18/what-happens-when-all-the-fish-are-gone/
assbot: What Happens When All The Fish Are Gone? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1tl3gkH )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/19/dying-with-dignity-how-life-expectancy-isnt-what-you-think-it-is/
assbot: Dying With Dignity: How Life Expectancy Isn’t What You Think It Is | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1tl3icc )
thestringpuller: is this the point when the estate of dr. seuss shows up in channel?
mats_cd03: o. well kako should update topic then
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller the estates of many of dead man would probably find contravex of interest
pete_dushenski: mats_cd03 guess so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform diametric http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/
assbot: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tl4tsf )
mircea_popescu: mayhap the debian gr is wiser than us ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <PeterL> Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing
pete_dushenski: heya mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hey p.
pete_dushenski: it goes?
mircea_popescu: surely.
pete_dushenski: loverly :)
mircea_popescu: decimation: Google: "Q: who owns the internet? A: nobody" << fuck you << i imagine they're talking of the whole enchillada, as opposed to the parts thereof.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Wow, there's a city actually named Moroni << iirc some prophet in john smith's braindamaged copy of yurp under his own "brand"
mircea_popescu: i always found that pretty amusing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up. << looking.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that's why I deferred writing it up. I'm not familiar with China-land too much.
mircea_popescu: they would be shifting their focus almost entirely towards the goal of funding "core development" << my translator comes up with "it's dead".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the correct angle there is to compare to MMM ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is EXACTLY what happened there.
thestringpuller: MMM is funny as shit though.
mircea_popescu: shit not mmm. stock generation. the internet thing
thestringpuller: Reading about MMM was like reading about Action Park.
thestringpuller: Like something out of a cartoon.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
thestringpuller: ;;google Action Park
gribble: Action Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park>; Action Park Mountain Creek, Vernon NJ | Water Parks in NJ: <http://www.actionpark.com/>; The dangerous return of the world's most insane theme park | New ...: <http://nypost.com/2014/06/28/the-return-of-the-worlds-most-dangerous-theme-park/>
mircea_popescu: Company 9 was the "privileged" company, with its shares "guaranteed" never to decrease in value. Promised return was originally 10% a month (215% annually,) but was later reduced to 7% a month or 125% annually. In early April 2000, Stock Generation, despite all previous guarantees, devalued its privileged company shares to 5% of their previous value.
mircea_popescu: Companies 10 and 11 promised monthly returns of 50% and 100% (later 40% and 70%) respectively. At the same time, share prices could plummet 50% for company 10 and 100% (e.g. all the way down to 0) for company 11. That caveat (known as Rule 18) was another way for StockGeneration to justify their claims that this was a gambling website, rather than an investment vehicle.
mircea_popescu: that thing.
thestringpuller: ponzi schemes will help destroy the financial system!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron <<< no, it gets better. next, they will be getting the congressional medal of honor, for "innovation"
kakobrekla: so wai are we still on this planet?
pete_dushenski: "Canada reopened its 50-year bond maturing December 2064 Thursday and is expected to raise a minimum of 500 million Canadian dollars ($442 million)" << lelz
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because you've not built the ship!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Perhaps you would like to a your second piece for qntra. Stumbled into a US abuse of court thing with Kim Dotcom I'm writing up.
mircea_popescu: no, because a spitting copy of that other kim is coming by to visit us in a little, and ima have my hands full
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you busy honey ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu not overly
mircea_popescu: so do the huobei vs stock generation piece ! for great justic
mircea_popescu: mebbe we get someone to translate it to chinese.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "hands full" << was that a pun?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
thestringpuller: fun fun fun!
pete_dushenski: lemme take a quick look at it...
pete_dushenski: brb working on english version of huobi vs stockgen :)
mircea_popescu: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00044604 = 9.969 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: little old me going through his logs, runs into a line
mircea_popescu: tcp 0 0 192.168.*:42230 ddos-server.intyl.b:www ESTABLISHED 1794/opera
mircea_popescu: nearly fucking falls over.
thestringpuller: whatever happened to that codinginmysleep guy
mircea_popescu: turns out RamNode had the cute idea of naming its stuff thusly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00044465 = 13.8286 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and im really talking to my own site.
mircea_popescu: 185.34.216.71 resolves to "ddos-server.intyl.biz". who the fuck came up with this idea i wish to know, and i further wish to know how many people reading logs got a start from it.
mircea_popescu: fucking trolls.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no idea, sorta faded off.
kakobrekla: lol mp hunting bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/3BYA4SS.txt
mircea_popescu: status: NOHORROR
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: i predict we will see the day when that's what it's gonna say.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58450 @ 0.00044324 = 25.9074 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: thestringpuller dat missed delivery
mircea_popescu: mthreat anyway, not bad article. nothing incendiary, but hey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00044604 = 3.2115 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up Xuthus
BingoBoingo: !up hihowareyou
BingoBoingo: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-42-found-dead-bathtub-downtown-manhattan-article-1.2015955 << Accident file
assbot: New York banker, 42, slashed throat during bender: sources - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXNKj7 )
nubbins`: "banker drowns self by holding head underwater in tub"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo mircea_popescu cazalla http://pastebin.com/3BZXpunJ
assbot: Title: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme Earlier this week it - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXOm8h )
pete_dushenski: http://www.viralnova.com/hidden-german-bunker-gallery/29/?mb=out << "even though they're using cyrillic text on their signs and we can't read it, it's a GERMAN bunker!"
assbot: They Stumbled Across This In The Woods... Beneath It Was A Terrifyingly Awesome Secret. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWYNuD )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1227 @ 0.001192 = 1.4626 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/antidemblog/status/534219440842223616
assbot: http://t.co/iVNtPHvMJa
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/huobi-reboots-stock-generation-style-ponzi-scheme/ << pete_dushenski
assbot: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWZtAd )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo qntra should use its favicon on its twitter profile
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The Favicon artwork doesn't look great at avatar resolution, hence the bunny
pete_dushenski: lol just noticed the little fluffer
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/535499564548370432
assbot: Huobi reboots Stock Generation-style ponzi scheme: http://t.co/YVFwVNmvmT My 3rd piece for /qntra! Trying not to make this a habit...
pete_dushenski: anyways, ima a be off. later cult!
asciilifeform: 'german' bunker << first photo caption - 'controlled remotely' (not 'stay back') wtf
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: wiring panel for the lift bridge just out of the frame
BingoBoingo: !up trixisowned
BingoBoingo: <trixisowned> All three futures exchanges (OkCoin, Huobi, 796) use the same exact formula to get this "loss" calculation.
BingoBoingo: <trixisowned> Maybe you should warn about ALL of the futures exchanges rather than portraying yourself as biased.
trixisowned: It's the truth
trixisowned: deal with it
trixisowned: bro
trixisowned: ive noticed multiple people trying to portray huobi as the bad one
trixisowned: when ALL the futures exchanges
trixisowned: are doing the same shit
BingoBoingo: ^ Perhaps the case is that the model is broken, but Huobi is the one where problems have happened
trixisowned: are you being paid by OkCoin?
trixisowned: because thats how it comes off
BingoBoingo: Nope
trixisowned: on reddit
trixisowned: just saying
kakobrekla: !s tera self
assbot: 0 results for 'tera self' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tera+self
kakobrekla: eh
BingoBoingo: trixisowned: Where on reddit?
trixisowned: maybe it wasnt you
trixisowned: but this is the second "article"
kakobrekla: !s tera* self*
assbot: 1 results for 'tera* self*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tera%2A+self%2A
trixisowned: about how huobi has supposedly
trixisowned: ripped off users
kakobrekla: sorta on topic
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866605 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 19:56:44; kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
trixisowned: and thats simply not true
trixisowned: hurp
kakobrekla: you know, they at least self certified
BingoBoingo: OkCoin prolly sucks
kakobrekla: like i self smarted myself
trixisowned: ...
trixisowned: okcoin DOES suck
trixisowned: so does huobi
trixisowned: among all the exchanges
trixisowned: but your article
trixisowned: is portraying it as if
trixisowned: huobi is the bad guy and people will just go and shill off to okcoin
trixisowned: which is not the thing to do
BingoBoingo: !up Dr-G2
trixisowned: especially when the fucking okcoin shills are about pushing their "OKCOIN HAS NO FEES WHY DONT YOU TRADE THERE!" bullshit
trixisowned: just saying
BingoBoingo: I can not repair broken reading's of pete's article.
trixisowned: BingoBoingo, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/cm3ipmt?context=3
assbot: trixisowned comments on Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2pg1 )
trixisowned: er, thats a comment, but read the whole thread
trixisowned: its basically a repeat of that whole fucking shill thread
trixisowned: made by r/bitcoinbravo
trixisowned: who is the CTO of OkCoin
trixisowned: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/
assbot: Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2znE )
trixisowned: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mdtxl/huobi_takes_1271000_usd_from_users_profits_during/cm3nov3
assbot: Huobi takes $1,271,000 USD from users' profits during futures settlement. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2Hnh )
trixisowned: etc
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mwf22/huobi_reboots_stock_generationstyle_ponzi_scheme/ << Now there's a reddit to make sure the OKcoin model can be highlighted as broken too
assbot: Huobi Reboots Stock Generation-Style Ponzi Scheme, Is this possible with other BTC/Futures exchanges? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX2Jvt )
trixisowned: There was no way to contact whoever made the post BingoBoingo
trixisowned: and there was no way to post a comment
trixisowned: so i pm'd you
trixisowned: :/
BingoBoingo: Ah
trixisowned: your comment system is broken.
BingoBoingo: Comment system is broken how?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1245 @ 0.001195 = 1.4878 BTC [+] {2}
trixisowned: [11:40:47] <<trixisowned>> ERROR: please fill the required fields (name, email).
trixisowned: even though i filled in both
BingoBoingo: Try again, might have triggered a false positive on one of tha spam prevention measures
trixisowned: eh im over it
trixisowned: :P
BingoBoingo: Ciriticism of a thing is not an endorsement of its competitors
BingoBoingo: !up Molt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64537 @ 0.00043581 = 28.1259 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76326 @ 0.00044315 = 33.8239 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00044534 = 6.0566 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> New York banker, 42, slashed throat during bender: sources << lmao getting moar and moar believable.
asciilifeform: 'he ran into my knife. he ran into my knife - ten times!' - 'chicago'
mircea_popescu: !up snee
mircea_popescu: <trixisowned> because thats how it comes off << are you silly ?!
mircea_popescu: the fact that a bunch of scams are a bunch of scams, from icbit onwards does not mean that pointing out one particular scam as a scam is "supporting the others".
mircea_popescu: this is glbse-think.
mircea_popescu: !up Molt
mircea_popescu: <trixisowned> There was no way to contact whoever made the post BingoBoingo << like http://qntra.net/contact/ ?
assbot: Contact | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1qBefvS )
mircea_popescu: or you mean specifically pete ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i hate your articlke, fwiw. broadly because it's a very lazy stitching together of unexplained quotes, narrowly because wtf, qntra now links to wikipedia ? splendid, we're building a total alternative over here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this shit needs actual work. with the head. make a point, and make it interesting.
mircea_popescu: "The similarities between Huobi and Stock Generation are striking." << orly ?
mircea_popescu: show, don't tell. when you tell a) everyone knows you're lying, whethetr you are not not and b) nobody can be bothered to go look anymore. fucking show. always.
mircea_popescu: s/not not/or not/
Pierre_Rochard: If you’re done with Dushenski can I butt in and get my 2 mins of hate
mircea_popescu: shoot.
Pierre_Rochard: https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/pacioli/blob/0.0.14/pacioli/treasury/treasury_utilities.py
assbot: pacioli/treasury_utilities.py at 0.0.14 · NakamotoInstitute/pacioli · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1qBfICz )
Pierre_Rochard: how do you want your gpg-encrypted invoices formatted?
Pierre_Rochard: I remember you have an aversion to JSON so I shied away from that
mircea_popescu: -a
mircea_popescu: or what do you mean formatted ?
Pierre_Rochard: data = "document:sales_invoice, id:%s \r\n" % invoice_id
Pierre_Rochard: data += "address:%s, amount:%s \r\n" % (bitcoin_address, amount)
mircea_popescu: ah, any csv thing works.
Pierre_Rochard: I was thinking it should be both human readable and machine parsable
mircea_popescu: imo
Pierre_Rochard: Ok, and the CSV text as a file attachment or as just plaintext in the email?
mircea_popescu: plaintext, armored.
Pierre_Rochard: got it
mircea_popescu: scam
mircea_popescu: i was promised hate.
Pierre_Rochard: haha, maybe when you test it out you’ll have some invective
mircea_popescu: or maybe i'll just have some apple pie instead!
mircea_popescu: re huobi and "exchanges" http://std3.ru/64/dd/1416432624-64dd7f82348c2acd46e41423331ab894.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1qBhjIs )
Pierre_Rochard: apple pie <- that’s what I’m shooting for
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone read gustav fechner ?
mircea_popescu: physicist turned metaphysician under the guise of psychiatry.
Molt: lol
The20YearIRCloud: Looks like we're in contract (RentalStarter) On property #12 now too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70481 @ 0.00042804 = 30.1687 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
jurov: lol The20YearIRCloud you'll soon get sizable chunk of ohio
The20YearIRCloud: the slummy parts at least
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00044197 = 11.226 BTC [+]
cazalla: RE: huobi drama from earlier - i'm shitcanning pete's article on basis a) a post on reddit is rarely a reliable source b) i can't read chinese so it is difficult to confirm/verify what the links in the post on reddit claims
cazalla: trixisowned, you could've gone about this in a better fashion and outlining one scam is not an endorsement of others, if anything, this speaks more to qntra's need for a chinese to english writer
thestringpuller: got the poster nubbins
thestringpuller: nubbins` ***
nubbins`: ah
nubbins`: bout time :D
TomServo: +mircea_popescu | show, don't tell. when you tell a) everyone knows you're lying, whethetr you are not not and b) nobody can be bothered to go look anymore. fucking show. always. << Wouldn't this also apply to your qntra article?
TomServo ducks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24451 @ 0.0004266 = 10.4308 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/us-department-of-justice-kim-dotcom-cant-challenge-asset-forfiture/
assbot: US Department of Justice: Kim Dotcom can't challenge asset forfiture | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSZ8NQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00042489 = 7.2019 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001197 = 1.197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21549 @ 0.00042572 = 9.1738 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75100 @ 0.00042589 = 31.9843 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.1, Best ask: 355.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 355.09, 24 hour volume: 16517.18039886, 24 hour low: 351.8, 24 hour high: 381.8, 24 hour vwap: 363.832783744
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/canadian-bankers-association-on-bitcoin-were-not-for-it-or-against-it/
assbot: Canadian Bankers Association On Bitcoin: "We're Not For It Or Against It" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Apyn76 )
thestringpuller: ;;seen diana_coman
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
BingoBoingo: !up MissShibe
MissShibe: Hi all, if anyone has lost money in Moolah / Cryptsy we are working on a class action lawsuit against Ryan Kennedy.
MissShibe: Send me a PM for more info
BingoBoingo: MissShibe When you want to contact press for announcements press is here
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/ << Legit money news outlet MissShibe
assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1p0hhJ2 )
MissShibe: Oh, thanks
undata: MissShibe: hah, did cryptsy go down?
BingoBoingo: Home of hard hitting pieces like http://qntra.net/2014/11/mcxnow-says-it-is-becoming-mtmox/
assbot: mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApBGLy )
punkman: Pierre_Rochard: I'd make format pluggable
MissShibe: undata, No, it's to do with Moolah and Syscoin
BingoBoingo: So when you want get to the point where you want to do interviews and such about lawsuit, there is scam hating journo outfit to go to
MissShibe: Great, I will let the organisers know!
BingoBoingo: Thanks
MissShibe: Just dropping by cryptocurrency channels looking for others who are interested in exploring legal action at this stage
BingoBoingo: Good luck
Pierre_Rochard: punkman: quick search for "pluggable format python" didn't turn anything up, please elaborate