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a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 17:05 phf: take movitz, take lice https://web.archive.org/web/20080624230234/http://www.emmett.ca/~sabetts/, add tcpip stack to it, add irc. what else one needs for tmsr-ing
a111: 14 results for "movitz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=movitz
asciilifeform: !#s movitz
asciilifeform: see also the sad story of movitz
asciilifeform: you can view the result of the last set of folx who did it, 'movitz', which boots on 0 modern irons.
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible, there were various experiments, e.g., https://github.com/dym/movitz/blob/master/losp/x86-pc/dp8390.lisp
phf: in terms of what movitz offers of course (without bringing in pre-compiled C blobs)
phf: you're saying it's straight up impossible (or approaching that) to get, say, movitz doing networking on real hardware hardware, and i'm calling shenanigans
phf: take movitz, take lice https://web.archive.org/web/20080624230234/http://www.emmett.ca/~sabetts/, add tcpip stack to it, add irc. what else one needs for tmsr-ing ☟︎
asciilifeform: movitz is worse yet because it is ~married~ to 32-bit x86
phf: i'm not sure mezzano boots on native hardware, movitz i did boot, and it's basically what you would expect out of DOS
mircea_popescu: so then it seems to be that it is an offense before the gods and an insult to man when in any discussion of lisp anyone proposes any other solution than "pick either movitz or mezzano"
phf: movitz and mezzano are common lisp compilers, they are just shitty ones. they are good enough to boot an os on x86, but they are missing bits (large chunks of standard) because nobody's written those
phf: the linux approach actually's been done twice, i.e. write something shitty, but it boots and then improve it until it's somewhat ok. there's https://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ and https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
asciilifeform: the other bit is, just as in the fpga thread, by the time anyone ~does~ spend the man-years, the requisite hardware is unavailable. see, e.g., 'movitz'.
asciilifeform: who doesn't believe me (and why should?) can go waste years himself. like the 'movitz' folks did
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier experiment of the same flavour, 'movitz'