asciilifeform: ( is the last one entirely worn out ? or still going? i have nfi )

asciilifeform: probably -- prep for the next shitoshi.

asciilifeform: somehow we are expected to... forget?

asciilifeform: shinohai: ludicrous crock of shit, by the time the shithub existed, thing's been out for, what, a year

asciilifeform: ( anybody has the full text ? )

asciilifeform: in other lulz, re granite thread, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10967-006-0101-1

asciilifeform: 1st ed.

asciilifeform: it.

asciilifeform: phf: yes!

asciilifeform: but afaik this is the first instance of the 'YOU stole my hdd, YOU could have flipped whatever bits' defense being entered in american court.

asciilifeform: and afaik does not exclude judges, with possible exception of speshul seekrit starchamber judge.

asciilifeform: this is in their employment contracts.

asciilifeform: phunphakt: all usg civil servants, of whatever description, are Officially required to pretend that unhappened leaks neverhappened

asciilifeform: even funnier, '...the Department of Justice is trying to retroactively seal the court filing and two others, because they apparently reference matters discussed in a portion of a transcript that is already shut-off from public view.'

asciilifeform: ut leaving any trace," the court filing, written by District Judge Robert J. Bryan, reads. ... In response, the Government requested that the proposed exhibits be excluded from trial because of their classified content... the Government (whether deliberately or unwittingly) confirmed the authenticity...'

asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/rGR0p >> '...federal public defender Colin Fieman wanted to admit some of the Wikileaks documents into court. The idea was to bolster his argument that even with a forensic examination of the defendant's computer, it would not be possible to see whether someone else planted child pornography on the machine, because the exhibits may show the US government has "the ability to hack into a computer witho

asciilifeform: entirely possible -- that they do.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not know what every particular chukcha calls every particular flashlight.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106332 << subj ☝︎

asciilifeform: there was also the famous shirt experiment.

asciilifeform: (to a d00d)

asciilifeform: smells like old socks.

asciilifeform: ( you can buy it in spray cans..! 'boar mate')

asciilifeform: sows don't ~know~ either.

asciilifeform: but still worx

asciilifeform: wouldn't ~know~, lol

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: androstenone

asciilifeform: damn

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, mircea_popescu : ...colombia ?

asciilifeform realizes that it was the thing from the 2014 piece linked earlier, that he had reread last wk.

asciilifeform: it looks vaguely familiar

asciilifeform: dafuq's that

asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc at one time ericsson tried to productize erlang.

asciilifeform: there was nothing inherently graphical about erlang (it did not come with a bolix-style editor, or any similar exotica)

asciilifeform: Framedragger: imho it is a mistake to make such a piece. folx who did not appreciate it from the b00k, had no business touching it.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: believe or not -- never seen

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or (as discussed by naggum), what is worse, 'we will learn from the Success! of microshit'

asciilifeform: but there it was.

asciilifeform: this was idiocy, of a slowly lethal sort that makes radium toothpaste look quite harmless, and we are still paying for it

asciilifeform: 'whatever else, infrastructure must use cheap, fungible iron, and cheap, fungible people'

asciilifeform: it was a time of 'commodification' and 'deskilling'

asciilifeform: it does

asciilifeform: trinque: to put it in context, we're speaking of roughly 1990, and the smouldering thermonuke crater where the folx who 'built from first principles' (symbolics) used to be , was still smoking

asciilifeform: hey mod6

asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate

asciilifeform: as in, you could shuffle a ~task~ (not even entire proggy) between machines, cleanly.

asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: well they ~were~ 'best days', it was a thing that they could not, in thousand years, produce

asciilifeform: but if you scratch off the savage ochre paint etc. you can see '1958' stamped on the steel.

asciilifeform: affixing all sorts of irrelevant 'shit bolted to the side'.

asciilifeform: they keep finding the same flashlight ('don't use promiscuous pointers and type casts') and repaint it in various tribal colours.

asciilifeform: currently 'rust' et al. decade ago -- haskell. prior -- the java people.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chukchas keep finding the same flashlight in the woods, again and again and again

asciilifeform: or would be.

asciilifeform: it's a thing.

asciilifeform: (and naturally was convinced that ~his~ cure -- was unique)

asciilifeform: but each discoverer reacted very differently.

asciilifeform: anyway erlang is imho only worth discussing as part of a larger pattern -- industry after industry independently discovered that c -- and its entire approach to logic -- is poison ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: with wwwcrapolade.

asciilifeform: the only one you can buy today, is from the hipsters.

asciilifeform: (it has useful examples from telecom systems)

asciilifeform: sorta funny bit, actually, the original, THIN, book, is ~unobtainable;

asciilifeform: or where was it.

asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1st one, funnily, was in... prolog! 2nd -- erlang.

asciilifeform: airplane -- is designed.

asciilifeform: trinque: if you weld wings to a trabant, it could, theoretically, take off. does not make 'airplane'.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you almost certainly don't need it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'scripting language' has a meaning.

asciilifeform: with actual backend.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not to bytecode, not to forth-style threadedcode. had actual optimizing compiler, like gcc.

asciilifeform: (and several other archs.)

asciilifeform: it was a general-purpose thing that compiled down to x86.

asciilifeform: but it wasn't a scripting language.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 ) ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: my current understanding is that derps say 'system language' when what is meant is 'has something that passes for a x86 compiler, and a c ffi'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634673 << this is a terrible libel to custom pliers -- who do not randomly morph into liquishit in your hands, no ☝︎

asciilifeform: is it a sort of prbization of ye olde 'cyclone' ? 'let's put bounds checks in c'

asciilifeform: trinque: what means 'compile and you're a good boy' ..?

asciilifeform: why would anybody even name a comp lang 'rust' ? how about a surgical antiseptic named 'putrescence' ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: that looks hilarious. do you have a copy running? try putting, say, duff's device, through it...

asciilifeform: 'if all git commits could be automatically converted to Rust' for instance.

asciilifeform: read like a trololol, is all.

asciilifeform: it simply ain't believable

asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu the 'rust' link simply gotta be a parody

asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg decides that it only needs ~one~ GE... https://archive.is/VHvz8 << RIP westinghouse.

asciilifeform: not a chore because plastic panels, no. but -- chore. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is a chore.

asciilifeform: generally i try to avoid drive.

asciilifeform: 'inexpensive after you kill the shysters who supplied the defective false alternatives'

asciilifeform: what, in pete_dushenski's view, means 'cheap' ? falls from sky ?

asciilifeform: just like old american ones.

asciilifeform: su cars -- were of iron. ☟︎

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: whole point would be to piss on the fashionista faggotry and get a cheap, practical, repairable (yes, they lied to you, CAN have all 3) machine.

asciilifeform: flat iron sheets.

asciilifeform: but you get the idea.

asciilifeform: well, more btr than t

asciilifeform: not a frufru shitmobile.

asciilifeform: the hypothetical subj would look something like a t34 ☟︎

asciilifeform: so snore.