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asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in theory this is a theory, but in practice his comments are still weird looking.
mircea_popescu: or w/e it is that you have in there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's also the 2nd order effect, whereby by interacting with heretics you find out stuff like "hey, i have a memory leak"
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i'm not suggesting there's folly here, i'm a) thinking of how to better slice the beast and b) pointing out that it's not even a container issue
a111: Logged on 2018-03-26 14:28 asciilifeform: recall the gc discussion . 'scripting lang is one where progy dun live long enuff to need gc'
asciilifeform: actually i suspect that this is one of those items that will be very short and sweet , when made from first principles under a future http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789682 system ☝︎
mircea_popescu: to be clear, i'm not for a second disputing that such piles of lines of "code" are a scandal and an outrage before god. but i wish to know what we're to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is quite what i'm saying, a web publishing platform we will want, and phf is in a prime posityion to appreciate the gargantuan task of "make it from prime principles", i think.
mircea_popescu: because it is not directly evident to me what portion of the 162k loc (granted -- insane count) is due to the tower of chairs arrangement.
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, asciilifeform has ~own~ 'mp-wp' , made from ~same vintage of wp, that does admittedly only half of what mircea_popescu's does ( i dun have the spam filtration ) )
mircea_popescu: will you go as far as to say that writing a general purpose scriptable webatron (apache) and a "separate" (notrly) db system (mysql) is the wrong solution, and one should just write his blog software in c directly ?
mircea_popescu: phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify) ☟︎
phf: mp-wp is 162093 loc, 6062 of which are containered gif/png. so it's not even that base64 blobs are adding to weight. the codebase is massive
asciilifeform: ( as described by naggum & elsewhere, in the 'bathtub' piece )
asciilifeform: nao, if phf can make his vtron handle 'arbitrary' (say, up to avail. ram) masses, and without losing anything, moar power to him. but in practice something is usually sacrificed, in the name of speed/efficiency, is the worrisome bit.
asciilifeform: but history of pc , suggests grimly that they cannot
asciilifeform: all else being equal, tool that laughs at arbitrary masses of payload is theoretically better ( if folx can be trusted to 'keep it in their pants' and not to use it as excuse for bloat )
mircea_popescu: first step of any digestion is, gotta stuff it in the gullet. enzymes afterwards.
mircea_popescu: how are they to be digested, if we deliberately make the tools we use unable to grab them ?
asciilifeform: when approaching this mass, really oughta start cutting into orthogonal subsystems. and if you can't cut, the design is broken.
asciilifeform disagrees that any proggy's src has any business whatsoever weighing 1MB, much less 9MB
mircea_popescu: and we do have some such blobs in the process, so far.
asciilifeform: phf: trb is, what, 800kB, and already imho 'weighs' ~10+ yrs worth of study to fully grasp
mircea_popescu: well technically a 9mb genesis.
phf: i can obviously fix btcbase to be more useful (i.e. continue to aid the patch exploration) in cases where a patch is big, but in general a 9mb patch seems to go against the whole fits in head
phf: right, that was the original idea, as evangelized by ascii. btcbase patch viewer is designed with that idea in mind
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
mircea_popescu: is the idea here that code should never be that long, basically ?
mircea_popescu: phf, part of the reason i keep having things sit on other things is to find out what the fuck we need to do.
asciilifeform: in other funnies: the preface in http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/trb-build-instructions.html .
phf: i'm not sure how practical that makes patch page though, it definitely doesn't open on my x60. i could perhaps introduce some split mode, where patch page only lists the hunk filenames, and you need to click on hunk to see the contents
a111: Logged on 2018-06-03 04:11 mircea_popescu: phf, what's the limit ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820367 << there isn't one, there is a peculiar bug that seems to only manifest in my lispworks dev environment. things actually work on production, though the patch page is 20mb ☝︎
diana_coman: ahaha, tmsr=temeswar warum nicht
asciilifeform: diana_coman: very spiffy; i have added your tests to the FG www links.
BingoBoingo: Dammit mod6 you scooped the headline by minutes
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/microsoft-acquires-github-in-all-stock-transaction/ << Qntra - Microsoft Acquires Github In All Stock Transaction
mod6: lol shithub sale to m$
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls << Will see what I can do about this
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for posting the report for May.
mod6: mornin' TMSR~
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/04/rocking-fuckgoats-on-the-rock-chip/ << Ossasepia - Rocking Fuckgoats on the Rock-chip
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls
lobbes: Best part is that the same cookie can be used for -any- download link from archive.today, and each cookie is good for 5 months, so I didn't even need to automate the scraping bit.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812127 << btw, this has been working like a charm for the download part of the archive process. I was able to do away with the phantomjs-crapolade completely. ☝︎
lobbes: but relatedly to the quote, I am pretty happy to see the auction business booming again :D
mircea_popescu: sure thing.
lobbes: On my todo list is prop up an instance of the tmsr logbot on my pizarro rockchip and redo the #eulora logs to be fed from that. I built the #eulora log-o-tron back in 2015, and back then I had just typed 'ls' for the first time in my life, so I wager I can make the whole process much saner this time around.
lobbes: ^^ reads, but there is a ~1 min lag from when line is spit out until it hits lobbesbot's db (logs and bot are on separate boxen, and the logs feed the bot).
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-04 03:11:12: <lobbesbot> --- end of auction list, 372.264mn total bids ---
ave1: asciilifeform, also what is in the build-ada.sh? the last line on aarch64 should read: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64 ☟︎
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: enjoying the RE hunt posts
ave1: asciilifeform, could you post the contents of ' build/build-x86_64-linux-musl/binutils-2.25.1/build1/config.log'?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/no-country-for-old-men/ << Trilema - No country for old men
mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> --- end of auction list, 372.264mn total bids ---
asciilifeform: incidentally ~same pill will work to cure other arm64 chrome iron. afaik the c101pa is the only one with ips panel tho, currently.
mircea_popescu: i'm with you, it'll be a great thing once done.
asciilifeform: it's a pretty spiffy, ironwise, comp. costs less than a third of what ipnoje costs, even.
asciilifeform: perhaps soon we can issue real comps to folx like this.
mircea_popescu: but not quite there yet.
mircea_popescu: and i have this friend who's been working on making a portable computer
mircea_popescu: what am i to do, everyone's on phonese apparently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this one of your pets ?
asciilifeform: i specifically lulled over ( and in prev thread in that heathen pit, similarly ) the 'security model'
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, i think he was the builder.
mircea_popescu: he's evidently involved with the thing, is he.
asciilifeform: ( building it, is a whole new mountain of shit to climb )
asciilifeform: and confessed re where the mislabeled vendor src lives.
mircea_popescu: a. nice then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d grudgingly revealed a few hidden boobytraps, that each would take coupla wks at least, otherwise, to defuse.
mircea_popescu: anything there besides whisperersing ?
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2382 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Forcing MaskROM Mode on the Asus C101PA
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: of course it has all of them, most of the balance predates the fork. << ah, ok. well whatever makes the most sense. if we can make some BTC out of it, great, if it's a huge pain, meh.
asciilifeform: the makeopts in the config files dun do anything, tho, you gotta e.g. export MAKEOPTS="-j32 in your shell prior to building.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:40 asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor.
asciilifeform: after that : to patch the gcc , to cure http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819935 ill. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the next step will be to get the dep tarball links the hell off adacore's www, and onto our own cuntoo mirror.
asciilifeform: ( for bonus slowness, this one's running off a sd card.. )
asciilifeform: aaaand now i'ma have it build itself (and amd64, etc) , on that very same arm box.
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of ave1 from 3 to 3 << baked a working retargetable, musltronic gnat ; see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820427
a111: Logged on 2018-06-02 18:36 asciilifeform: meanwhile, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820197 folx were right : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_spirom.jpg
asciilifeform: ( mine's in pieces, presently, i am soldering a firmware refill umbilical to it )
diana_coman: sounds great to me
asciilifeform: ... this also means that c101pa ( as soon as i have a ready to roll firmware for it ) will be an out-of-the-box gnat dev station.
diana_coman: will do tomorrow and report back ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all you gotta do is build, then put the tarball on your rc box, extract, and add to .bashrc e.g. PATH="/home/stas/gnat/aarch64-linux-musl-native/bin/:$PATH"; export PATH and you're up & running.
diana_coman: oh hey, that's great news! thanks for the ping asciilifeform ; and thanks ave1 for the script; I'll add it to the list to get on the rockchip
asciilifeform: diana_coman : musltronic gnat on arm64 confirmed to work !
asciilifeform: well recall, this is soft-innerloopmul variant.
asciilifeform: on ch10 ffa: exponentiator test from end of ch.7 runs in 9.2s on dulap, and 28.4s on the test rk3328-roc-cc machine, producing correct output.
asciilifeform: which passes test.
asciilifeform: ... a rk3328-roc-cc is now ready, now loading the tarball to it, about to come to the magic moment
asciilifeform: ave1: btw the parallelism worx great, thing builds on dulap in <1hr
mircea_popescu: doh. ty.
asciilifeform: ave1: i am setting up a rockchip board to test your gnat !
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-may-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), May 2018 Statement
asciilifeform: for truly dedicated entomologist, the whole thing >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8Z6bQ/?raw=true << 13337 w4r3z