asciilifeform: ( ~all flights to BingoBoingostan from usa, go through panama, typically with coupla hrs of sitting )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919928 << found very similar, actually, in panama ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: not even in saddest airport in usa do folx ~queue for cabs~

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ? ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: will need one, not only for piz mips cluster, but for eventual hardwarization of peh ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919884 << a working gnat for 'mipsel' would also be pretty great. ( i tried at one pt, coupla yrs ago, for 'pic32mx' processor, got stuck on some barf ) ☝︎

asciilifeform wonders if they have 'прописка' in norway. i.e. where must Officially register place of residence with polizei erry time changing flats ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << sounds like ye olde sovok lives there, in full bloom ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919957 << still seems like oughta be cheaper to fly in the mold, than whole thing ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919913 << sorta like the folx who 'looked up to' doctors in 18th c. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( even tho still built w/ same intel cpu )

asciilifeform: trinque: i used not long ago a recent huawei lappy. same irons as top-of-line crapple, 1/3 the cost, and 10x less fan whine.

asciilifeform: nighty night mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: in the flagship branch, it comes into play as base case when 8 or fewer words in multiplicand

asciilifeform: ( properly speaking, comba aint even a mult algo in the usual mathematical sense, but merely a 'sideways' restatement of the traditional schoolboy O(n^2) mult algo to behave smoother on pc and other irons where cache is in play )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i 99% expect it ~will~ get snipped from the asm branch.

asciilifeform: for the base case -- entirely possib

asciilifeform: ave1: what have you been up to ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919784 << wb ave1 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( ideally -- would be a 256bit iron mul. but it dun seem to exist on any known irons today. )

asciilifeform: bvt: what i meant is, the optimal asmistic base case is not necessarily comba. could be 'micro' karatsuba, or even straight schoolbook mul. for so long as asm.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: bvt: it isn't actually a given that comba is even needed at all, with asmistic 64x64 mul

asciilifeform: so, entirely useless for the given problem, near as i can see

asciilifeform: ( nor does it appear to give a 128bit shift/add even )

asciilifeform: bvt: afaik sse offers only the very same 64x64bit multiplier as ordinary x64.

asciilifeform: ( interestingly, this does ~not~ work out to a 'runs at effectively 1/30th the native clock', on acct of this effect. but i won't spoil this yet.) ☝︎

asciilifeform: roughly 30 x86 instrs are executed for erry mips instr.

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, i think that 12kB actually weighs less than the human-readable text i've shat into the log re subj !

asciilifeform: item is nao in a condition where i can safely unload it from head & return to wrapping up ch20.

asciilifeform: ( ftr there is not yet any support for 'artificial disks'. but the mmap'd ram image can be made persistent by setting the 'write' flag, and when running from ramdisk you get in effect actual disk. this imho suffices for some applications. )

asciilifeform: ( possibly after ffa, we do a 'mips in 1 instruction a day' likbez series...? )

asciilifeform: it'll defo need review by literate folx before deployment to such things as piz, tho. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( the remaining 10%, is, of course, the fast rsatron !! )

asciilifeform: aaand pretty much 90% of mircea_popescu's 'uci' ( i.e. you can plant this wherever, and get artificial 'box' w/ specified os & proggies... )

asciilifeform: and incidentally, ones like this also ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919694 << prolly i oughta elaborate. in case wasn't clear, i've a ~12kB x64 proggy that boots a mostly-stock linux 3.x kernel, with uart as only device. which means that applications like this are theoretically possible, when i get back to this subj. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: ( 1 cuntoo's, 1 ave1's )

asciilifeform: thinking about it, i still dunget why there are ~2~ binaryturd gcc's in the mix.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919790 << old era. afaik no one yet knows even a theoretical cure for ye olde 'to build gnat, 1st find a working gnat' headache ☝︎

asciilifeform: ugh they have their own merkel?!

asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom, 'Canonical's decision to cease development of 32-bit libraries in Ubuntu 19.10 "eoan" means it won't support Steam gaming runtime and devs say the Wine compatibility layer for running Windows apps will be little use.'

asciilifeform: afaik it was 'europe's worst shithole' even in 19th c. competed with bucharest.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why went to oslo ? what's there, other than tomb of naggum ? ( i dun even know where it is, cannot help to either piss on it or to put flower )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may be interested to know that my shell to dulap bumped after 132d. ( for no detectable reason, either on this end or the other )

asciilifeform brb:meat

asciilifeform: another illustrative case, amd 2015 g-series, where debug contacts disabled w/out magic key ☝︎

asciilifeform: illustrative case where ~not~ found : 'cr50'

asciilifeform: i.e. single-steppable

asciilifeform: aaand that was an item where i found jtag test points that could be soldered & operated

asciilifeform patched once a 300kB closed turd, it took coupla months

asciilifeform: err,

asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667, it took coupla months

asciilifeform: rright but who's gonna attempt debug of 50MB closed turd.

asciilifeform: in each case, ought to be said, required 100% demolition of 100% of the 'purportedly worx!!' liquishits

asciilifeform: could be , asciilifeform's hands grow from arse, and someone else can do 2x faster ? who knows

asciilifeform: (of all day, erry day, grind)

asciilifeform: another time, robot. took year+.

asciilifeform: one time asciilifeform had a paid contract to make a (early 2000s) wireless nic (w/ various oddball features for physics experiment) behave under opensores. took entire summer.

asciilifeform: fundamental culprit is idjit 1970s os where no meaningful debug (or even localization of eggog) is possible, at least w/out year+ of sweat (that who has resource for?)

asciilifeform: ( spoiler: also demanded 'wine', and with in the end same result as mp's 3d card )

asciilifeform: 2y ago asciilifeform had roughly same experience with an expensive and supposedly very spiffy chinese usb oscilloscope. purportedly 'worx under linux', but then went and bought an' tried...

asciilifeform: it's expected in a small boy, but how grown man gets stuck in that mode, i do not know -- must be sumthing physiological, cns equiv of dwarfism

asciilifeform: 'i only nao saw this, but Here Is How To Fix!!!'

asciilifeform: adlais, to be exact

asciilifeform: intel & amd enthusiastically put in 9000 worthless piece o'shit instructions, but how about a 256-bit multiplier ? nope. evidently Only A Terrorist (tm)(r) would ever ask for such thing.

asciilifeform: !!up mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: ( in fact iirc it was bvt who said 'have you looked, there's none' and i did, and found none )

asciilifeform: at one pt i also thought this, and looked , and found 0 that seemed applicable

asciilifeform: bvt: which see ops ?

asciilifeform: btw, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919704 , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796255 thrd ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: i admit, expected a little moar speedup from asmism, so pretty curious why < 2.5x as it is

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919686 << pretty interesting. bvt : i'ma work through these when i finish with keccakism components ☝︎

asciilifeform: i.e. when building new proggies, have had to do it 100% by hand ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... ) ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919631 << iirc i pasted 100+ drafts of various ffa moving parts, before genesised any ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919594 << can't speak for others, but often enuff asciilifeform needs 2-3 log passes to grasp $thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919585 << i was thinking from ' mircea_popescu's uci ' angle. ( btw anyone familiar with linked item ?? did it work ? ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919583 << asciilifeform doesn't publish products that require rubber bands. ( this is a double-edged sword, asciilifeform has large pile of items he does not consider publication-grade, and hasn't the resources to bring up to it, but can live with this ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919567 << interestingly, i got his to boot, simply required xor eax, 0x3 where byte addressing used, 1 opcode. (not needed for generic linux built by sane people, but i dun have one yet for mips ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919559 << the obv. problem is that in unixtardation land, to build certain proggies requite yet others to be already built. ☝︎

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in peanut gallery, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-19810 ☟︎

asciilifeform genuinely bbl

asciilifeform: this resembles asciilifeform's orig. argument against having to write vtron -- 'just press the fucking patches by hand, lazy people'. but mircea_popescu didn't buy it then, so had to write vtron.

asciilifeform must go to a lengthy meat chore ; bbl

asciilifeform: corollary to this q : how would a 'trb ebuild' differ from the trb vtree as it stands ?

asciilifeform: what can i say, i cannot speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never bought a 'mystery pc' where i have nfi apriori what os to even attempt on it

asciilifeform: notion is to do something about this, rather than simple lament, tho.

asciilifeform: (or, charitably, the old chinese 'leather cannon', 50% likelihood of nailing either artilleryman or enemy )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if pc were a small arm, i'd say would be 'zip gun' made from old brass pipe and paperclip, at this pt in time

asciilifeform: pretty great

asciilifeform: and this is when we learned that mircea_popescu dun have a scale in his toilet lol

asciilifeform: 'i'ma buy 9000 types of shell and try each' ?!

asciilifeform: do you also own e.g. pistols where you dun know the caliber ?

asciilifeform: lol, why, cuz they fell from airplane and not opened the crate yet ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you personally own a box where you do not know which cpu is installed ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe this to me plox.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when he bought cpu, presumably he knows which one he bought, neh

asciilifeform: so i tell the fella with the vax, 'go and make this its own tree, give it to fellow vaxers to sign, not to me'.

asciilifeform: the problem of 'ifdef' is the clusterfuck where i am given to sign a patch that includes '#ifdef vax' but i dun have a vax. and dun intend to.