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a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 22:50 asciilifeform: i didnt see much worth buying in BingoBoingostan.. or was mircea_popescu speaking of his locale
Mocky: mircea_popescu: thought that was where the black chix who can't code go
BingoBoingo: Mocky: The things it plugs into tend not to work the way expected on other systems. phf and pete_duskenski both ran into this iirc
Mocky: mircea_popescu: buncha cute chix there yea, lucky for them they now get a man to admire
asciilifeform: rather like the old thread with mircea_popescu's top hat.
asciilifeform: i admit i have some difficulty picturing proper, winter-capable fur-lined boots sold in cr, but if mircea_popescu says he saw this, i will believe
asciilifeform: i didnt see much worth buying in BingoBoingostan.. or was mircea_popescu speaking of his locale ☟︎
mircea_popescu: tyvm diana_coman
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found only this one http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Iitk3/?raw=true although I remember a better one ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'pyramid' is typically product of 'linear mind' ( from mircea_popescu's recent piece on subj ) pilin' up whatever dung he could muster
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly was schwartz. had also a great point where 'crackpot will find how to take the 'proof' to where its demolition requires ever slightly moar advanced grasp of subj than he is able to muster'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this reads like ye olde (imho great, btw) guide to perpetuum-mobile aficionados
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:35 mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893832 << might as well mock linkedin's "protections", neh. https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E03AQFpUoy6Vdur9Q/profile-displayphoto-shrink_800_800/0?e=1554940800&v=beta&t=ucyjKOxSqYUjgPSTsLkHvOUZlH3ErYItoPcikRklugc << ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you happen to recall / still have that poster ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:39 mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 20:05 mircea_popescu: romanians imply various subtle distinction. eg, "gargaun" would be the sort of skittering beetle that digs unseen and ruins structures, like termite or weevil (the folk name of which, "gargarita", very much model for name)
mircea_popescu: (the usgistani model, where "career women" and "corporate life" and what the fuck is ~particularly~ amusing in romania, where the difference between this, http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth and the lengthy history of male receptive homosexuality social expression can simply not be made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! even in ro, '3d tv' ?!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop
a111: Logged on 2014-03-25 20:52 mircea_popescu: same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state
mircea_popescu: nah, they sold out, became https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPC_Romania
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:46 mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks.
diana_coman: sure, as the code shows there is no infinite loop anyway yes; workers will wait on Get_Job and that's pretty much
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:05 mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this.
asciilifeform actually grasps mircea_popescu's pov quite well, after coupla decades with broken soft that does 'whatever it feels like', one starts thinking of 'i want control' in the sense of 'all i want is a big enuff spiked club to smash it all with'. but if you ~actually have~ proper control, cuz you wrote a correct proggy, then what you really want is 'feldmarschall's baton', not club.
asciilifeform: to run with mircea_popescu's analogy, you want to birth the sons such that they go, when ordered, to the seppuku room, lay down the white sheet, and carefully dump out their guts into the provided pot; rather than having to chop'em up in yer living room, where they'll shit selves, thrash around breaking the fine china, and make whatever other mess.
asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get at the underlying pthread and term it, if you gotta. just like you can get at raw c ptrs , as illustrated in e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis . my observation aint 'shuddyp and suck, lang tied yer hands for yer own good' but 'if your proggy is actually correct, you won't find yerself ~having~ to individually scalpel out threads'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you accomplish this by giving the subs a termination condition
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the q is why you even ~have~ a wedgedeable -- i.e. having to be async-killed -- subprocess in yer proggy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you permit asynchronous killing of thread, ~any~ part of your proggy could conceivably end up as that N, you have nfi what that thing was doing when you shot it
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:28 diana_coman: not while they are in an infinite loop it seems
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right you are, nearly a decade
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:31 mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it then follows there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll shoot em an email today. Their office is out in the sticks near the Palacio Legislativo. Long walk for a below the fold story.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo you'd rather have them work not in a guarded maner but in an acid-ish manner, and kill them after a set time established administratively.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:45 diana_coman: I'll probably need to find out exactly what the overhead for their creation is anyway
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: every time you load one you have to load the whole pile of everything, for the whole case set. eventually (it stands to reason) you'll find it cheaper to specialize them.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in things that end up eating runtime to "elaborate" and whatever ion thios vein.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893667 << this is mistake, and imho subtle and worth addressing , i wrote an illustration for mircea_popescu : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TXKlj/?raw=true ☝︎
diana_coman: in mircea_popescu's model/apache terminology the "workers" are in fact my jobs there: they get created , executed, finish
diana_coman: asciilifeform, one could certainly keep at all times 64 worker threads idling and waiting for jobs; initially I had implemented it precisely as such: all it takes is to accept a Get_Job request only when there IS a job to hand out; it adds a bit of complexity in there though because there has to be a flag for "available job" and then it has to be kept up to date correctly (which can be a bit tricky as it's not only when a job is added, it'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 18:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: verily. see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891456 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure even ~these~ they buy from siemens.
asciilifeform: ( large motors include 0 magnet, i suspect mircea_popescu knew this )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: small ones certainly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i misremembered, item was a 'moon buggy'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 00:10 mircea_popescu: "i was nitpicking re strength, not the model per se". wth, it's not necessary the model airplane used to test out the worker hive's going to contain the sort of seating inside you can ~rely on~ to see in the finished item.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu may also find interesting , that apparently ~soft~ xray is 'glitchier' than hard ( the latter tends to penetrate w/out transferring energy )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have similar pieces , in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892778 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was nitpicking re the algo, rather than the draft coad per se
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-139.9098-139.9968 << dun seem like diana_coman's mechanism specialized by creating different 'species' of 'worker' -- but by using case selector, as i expected it would. therefore it remains a puzzle to me why to terminate an' rebirth'em ( to save a few kB of ram when machine load is light ?? )
asciilifeform has not used ada threadism yet, so quite interested to see what diana_coman made of it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'workers' are specialized for particular type of job ? ( i haven't read the proggy yet -- but seems to me that if that's the case, oughta specialize'em by case selector inside 'worker', rather than eating the overhead of rebirthing thread 9000/sec )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1 immediate q : why do the worker jobs have to be terminated & rebirthed ( rather than having N , 1 per cpu, and 4evah infinite loop of plucking work from queue & placing in finishedworx queue when done ) ?
asciilifeform reads diana_coman's opus..
shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/where-da-party-at/#selection-127.0-127.12 <<< space?
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where described this algo, on which errything from hollywood to softwaretardism has been running for ~100y
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the usg.'youth' eagerly and w/out much massage swallow the 'you have Great Ideas!11' idjicy ( where reality is 'yer a not-yet-dry lemon to squeeze' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun find the [] irritating at all
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will do
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: the high level i suppose is disputable ; but when getting down to practicals, i was still reading the bottom line on the eye chart at time-and-a-half the distance when we fitted bimbo for glasses.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the moar loc, the less i see wrong w/bark, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I never had screen restriction either but for one thing, I did not start at 4 and for the other there is plenty other stuff (including sleep!) that needs to fit it so...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't picture one'd get far in supa w/out knowing that, yea
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not as long as you think, i recall the same exact summer i went from fearing the forks in june to playing with them for sport in august.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. lemme know which flavours the kid ended up liking, i may have moar in the depths of the warez chests along those lines. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you can get hold of actual dos box with e.g. 'soundblaster', most of what's in there oughta work, in principle.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:42 asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's on a mitsumi gold cd thing, i'ma excavate it tomorrow morning
asciilifeform: !!later tell diana_coman: finally dug up the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892086 item ( believe or not, '98 disk reads a++ ) : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/vintage/oldies.tar.gz . you'll need 'arj' but that ought not to be problem on dos box. ☝︎
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.03542500 << hanbot AMD64 playground
BingoBoingo: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.03542500 hanbot AMD64 playground
asciilifeform: guten tag trinque , mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.03542500 hanbot AMD64 playground
asciilifeform: hanbot, mircea_popescu : machine is ready for cuntoo beachhead .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you find that you wanna experiment with the x60, you will like that the radio nic comes out without hacksaws & drills ( 1 screw ) .
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 18:07 mircea_popescu: so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's use ( unless mircea_popescu specifically prefers the usb stick for somereason )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cant speak for eucrypt, but ffa is at least as much experiment in 'can program be written to make sense?' as it is arithm lib
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall how microshit released ~0 useful docs, and folx like norton made megabux sellin' boox
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dos sores , surprisingly, was moar or less sane item (considering that microshit stole it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ye olde 'doom' , complete with 32bit emm thingie, weighed, what, 2,3mb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they dun even like to mention that typical gnuturd is 80-90% autoconfolade by mass
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's then nostalgiate for good ol' dos, which sat happily on 360kb flop.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo give me however many fit / you want to spare, she can cuntoo-image them all for you free of charge. << Sounds like a plan. Gathering materials.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: may recall, i stuffed a working linux (with 3.x kernel no less) into <5MB. gentooisms are bulky on acct of sores.
asciilifeform: but for mircea_popescu's purpose i suspect will entirely suffice.
asciilifeform: so then. BingoBoingo plox to take 1 of these and feed to mircea_popescu . the caveat is that it ~may~ fail prior to 1mo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 128G
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am asking asciilifeform how we want to handle this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're certain you won't need fast disk of >1mo of operation, we can feed you one of the still-working retired rk drives
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: defo 64 is like tits on a boar for cryptoistic dos box etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB. ☟︎
asciilifeform: loox like mircea_popescu got 'lucky'