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a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:50 mircea_popescu: alright. so basically, we have a july latest-kernel from alf at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf << diana_coman trinque erryone else interested read and see if it works for you / comment ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847310 re earlier. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The default in the recipe has changed going forward after a bit of reflection reveals it was my failing
asciilifeform: for instance asciilifeform has a known-working config for all dulap-like boxen; presently in use by diana_coman on iirc both diana_coman units; another for rkisms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'which kernels work?' : this is a++ q, but sadly incomplete, instead q is always 'which kernels for on $iron'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform, and anyone else interested in testing Ada's failure to abort, minimal test setup: ossasepia.com/available_resources/test_tasks_ada.zip
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894755 << ty diana_coman , got it, will report when replicated ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunlike shit urls anymoar than anyone else, it's down there on conveyor , somewhere below the various roaring fires
hanbot: diana_coman fwiw i ran into a few broken internal links on ossasepia today on account of their still pointing to dianacoman.com, see http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ fo' instance. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bcinfobot.html << anyone want his bot in here ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This month I suspect I may have to.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:00 mod6: Well, during the information gathering of my blog post, I went to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different than the normal gr
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:02 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right. This shit has to get cleaned, and turned into an actual library collection rather than CMU subsidizing Google.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 09:02 mircea_popescu: and in other "internet is for lulz", http://www.gutenberg.org/files/43617/43617-h/43617-h.htm was downloaded... 77 times.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 01:15 mircea_popescu: gutenberg statistics ? 24 downloads for regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre. in a fucking decade. because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653782
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the one question lingering here is : as ada actually elaborates an init and an exit, as it must, since it does in fact compile, whether there's a way to use these correctly in lieu of "call C-mommy to change diapers".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform fwiw my initial http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 was informed by the docs; because yes, docs say a lot of "stops" ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was my motivation for the question. How much junk can be cut in the collection management process on the way to having a library
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
diana_coman: asciilifeform, and anyone else interested in testing Ada's failure to abort, minimal test setup: ossasepia.com/available_resources/test_tasks_ada.zip ☟︎
mod6: Well, during the information gathering of my blog post, I went to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different than the normal gr ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'ma go and do meat chores, will return around 2300 hrs orcistani time, and build diana_coman's tester
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman
diana_coman: somwhere in __clone iirc
diana_coman: it reported dutifully that thread got sig_abrt but then it was still there and ...nothing
diana_coman: and it shows those tasks still there; ALSO: from within Ada, you can tell: if your code does abort Task_X and then check Task_X'Terminated , it'll still be false (idem 'Callable still true)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ah looked ? and what was it doing instead of exiting ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you post plox the whole test jig, i'd like to reproduce the effect and see wtf , in gdb ( prolly won't get to it until nightfall tho )
diana_coman: and I mean abort_task(current_task) as well as abort that_task
diana_coman: asciilifeform, nope; I tried raise Program_Error and it was just as stuck
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: incidentally, per the std doc, raise PROGRAM_ERROR with "eggog!"; also oughta drop the whole process dead.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is exactly == to GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) , yes, btw; i did the 'import' for the same reason as for the character i/o, i.e. to lose the dependency on the standard lib
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how did you model 'wedged task' ? ( i.e. what didja put in it ? infinite loop? or eternal i/o wait ? )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you tried exit() and it still sat ?!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:21 diana_coman: HA! so....GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) at least...works
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:06 mircea_popescu: so then i'm guessing if indeed this problem is encountered thing should just die altogether.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:12 mircea_popescu: i'd rather write a new ada.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:05 diana_coman: I'm all ears if anyone has some idea re this supposedly simple thing: how to kill-self in ada, whole program but guaranteed to work i.e. without any bullshit "oh, but only if/when..."
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894644 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch16/os__ads.htm#44_24 ☝︎
diana_coman: ofc: pragma Import(C, OS_exit, "__gnat_os_exit") and same for abort for that matter; so pretty much as above: to kill, call in C
diana_coman: HA! so....GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) at least...works ☟︎
diana_coman: I suppose I still have to try...calling pthread_kill from within ada or somesuch madness
mircea_popescu: diana_coman or rather, "how to a) kill something b) in a manner that's guaranteed to work".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman keks, so ada is actually stop-broken ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 15:43 mircea_popescu: seems the ~true value~ of peta hash is about 4-500 bucks.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 0.00208333333333
mircea_popescu: turns out that "left to their own devices", "the people" will reproduce the sterility cycle again an' again an' AGAIN and forever, to the exclusion of all else.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 16:11 mircea_popescu: !!rate dooglus -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:53 mircea_popescu: i use it to torture girls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hesitate to point to anyffin as 'yes, browser', atm.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d was quite good in role of the mummy from 'day of the tentacle' ( if anyone recalls, mega-game )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun keep x on racked boxen, and dunno why anybody would, aside from truly exotic case
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, it's a 2-step process, first gotta find what yer iron actually needs re kernelisms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shituntu in that sense ~worse than winblowz~, afaik
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, it's the 1 major param on which differs substantially , in ways known to break old softs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only genuinely informative parameter re old gentoo is vintage -- steady rise of fungi the closer to present day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to move ~all~ of asciilifeform-tended irons to cuntoo eventually.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 18:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download trinque's signed iso and boot from it, then install cuntoo'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rather than a rk, shinohai cuntoo'd and AMD E-300 (AMD 64) laptop
mircea_popescu: ok so basically so far the situation's that shinohai managed to get trinque's sig to match on a rk but not an intel lappy, while diana_coman mod6 hanbot failed to get it to match on a diverse set of items (laptop, desktop, racked box).
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:19 trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state?
mod6: mircea_popescu: indeed overripe now, point taken, Sir.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/cuntoo-a-linux-that-sucks-less.html <<< I will mention that the USB version won't boot yet, only useful as chroot device.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the 9000 headaches of folx who tried to build pre-rotor trb ? asciilifeform did not resort to 'and now run this 4 hour script that builds a gcc, and then builds with it a gcc, and ~then~ builds deps, and ~then~ trb' just to make life moar interesting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem is that 'my own gentoo' is not a defined item.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only total cure for thompsonism is to ditch unix/c/pc/etc entirely. we aint there yet tho.
asciilifeform: i gotta agree with mircea_popescu tho, the current recipe is very muchly 'wanna light a fire? take a stick, and yer old fire..'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download trinque's signed iso and boot from it, then install cuntoo' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently exists for rk. do you suppose also oughta have one for pc ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: heathen gentoo is exactly lenin's 'we build the new shithouse from the rubble of the old, there aint any imported brick to build it from'
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu already said, but pleeez post your process
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 15:29 mircea_popescu: Mocky now you gotta answer it :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'browser that works' would be a mighty great thing.
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i had "That the probably only _truly_ random element in anyone’s life is the order in which they experience things" selected.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 15:31 mircea_popescu: bubble bursting is the exact converse activity of naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-391.394-391.502
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894304 << hey loox like mircea_popescu found how to set off a ~second~ bug in the selector ☝︎
Mocky: mircea_popescu: thx for the mega comment
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: There was another thread near http://bingology.net/2018/10/14/that-one-agricultural-product-and-uruguay/ where mircea_popescu mentioned he veteran stoner knocked out by new shit
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: carbon black nipples the both of them. Raised withing 5 km of each other. One catholic schools (not rare) other "baptist" school.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform found that 1 half is quite enuff to 'watch cartoons on ceiling'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Take it on my word you are better off not knowing
BingoBoingo hopes to have opened at least one new vein for mircea_popescu and hanbot to mine
BingoBoingo: Mind trinque, ben_vulpes, and asciilifeform living in alt-Midwests to this day
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, the only scene i have is the one without water because the locals, turn it off at 9pm every night
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. TEXTBOOKS practically http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth one and all. exams -- https://www.gotoquiz.com/scemo_emo_goth_or_just_a_poser
mircea_popescu: exams practically http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth one and all.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They don't unless standards for Junior Data Entry fell off of a cliff.
trinque: BingoBoingo: it's not different from my evening; chugged a few beers with ben_vulpes and the junior gent. "throw me at anything boss!", and we still make these in TX apparently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550604 ( seems to be defunkt nao tho ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 01:42 mircea_popescu: da fuck was he ? can't attach to anything.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 01:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893943 << isn't it high time you took a hint, got a proper warehouse, with a two-truck wide dock and errything ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He hung around and explicitly embraced socialism around the time of the BitBet death