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phf: well if we're
talking about moving your desk around
the office,
then emacs is kind of
tool
that comes with various desk parts, and you can attach
them
together, but one of
the legs is going
to be short, so you spend some
time replacing
the desk leg, etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: because yes,
the exact sort of objection (we're only counting
the cogent ones, washed out of 10bn words of idiocy outside
the gates) brought against emacs can (and was) brought against desk by orcs. "o, by
the
time you're done moving it around
the meadow
the boar long left" "what boar ?" "the one you were going
to shoot inkwell at, silly." "oh i c"
trinque: I would stand by
the claim
that emacs *can* be a
time-sink, just as moving your desk around
the office each day can, but it doesn't have
to be, and isn't inherent in
the
tool
trinque: I don't venture
too far down
the
tree of possible customizations beyond assemble workbench, make
tools readytohand, start working
mircea_popescu: because
this is a major, no, strike
that,
this is
THE major fucking decision here.
mircea_popescu: trinque so are you basically
taking
the stand where you swear
that emacs is actually productive, in
the sense of
taking less
time
to customize for and solve new problem
than
trivial approach, and
therefore it's
the incorect habits of
the common user rather
than
the harmful structure of emacs
that's
to blame ?
trinque: iirc I ran 24 for a while, am on 25 atm, but am not vouching for
that version.
trinque: didn't
take
that long
to get
to
the point where I can
throw
tiled window arrangements on screen with a few keyboard
twitches
phf: trinque: which version was your original baseline by
the way?
trinque lives in
the
thing as window manager even
mircea_popescu: can you answer
this ? is
the "emacs is fun
to customize, and comes with guarantee
that it will solve any x hour problem in x * 1.17 ^ your age hours" ?
mircea_popescu: i was counting
the "experts" outside of here.
those
things
that exist, you know.
mircea_popescu: emacs has been around for 500 years and NOT A SINGLE COGENT DISCUSSION of
this matter is
to be found anywhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you idiots being what you are i can't discern if it's "backwards pistol is every grenadier's problem because it fires backwards" or "bayonett is every recruit's problem b ecause attempts
to sit on it".
phf: that's very
true, elisp is not particularly bad as a scripting language. with some effort can be stripped of extra baggage
mircea_popescu: ie it seems
to me
the ~attempt~, whether it should succeed or fail, will be productive nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: consider -- if we agreed as indeed we seem
to have
that scripting language (eg, for eventual webatron, and for everything else) should be lisp dialect,
phf: my personal objection
to it is
that it's a
time sink, it's easy and satisfying
to customize, but it never quite gets
to being a complete solution without major work put into it (ala lucene)
mircea_popescu: (me used and abandoned in less
than a year decade+ ago, so...)
mircea_popescu: phf explain it
to me again, why should it be abandoned ?
mircea_popescu: phf we will have
to somehow resolve
this issue, because neither of
the current outcomes is seemly. having republicans use
the google drive systemd website
thing is idiotic ;
taking people's shit is idiotic. wut do.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm
thinking, i'm not opposed
to
the idea, but i was also
the person saying in logs
that emacs is harmful and should be abandoned altogether. i can bring
together whatever's asciilifeform and
trinque are using for
their workshops, and adopt it for myself also..
trinque: asciilifeform: isn't one, can sit in
the next vpatch
douchebag: in
the event I don't find any vulnerabilities
that week
ben_vulpes: douchebag: i
thought handing vulns over
to sv corp responsible dicksucksure departments was a sure path
to riches
hanbot: lol
that escalated quickly
douchebag: asciilifeform: I barely have any free
time
to do anything because of my job.
mircea_popescu: and phf is quite ripe for a major signature project like
that ; eulora dun seem
to interest him, so...
douchebag: The problem is, I have a lot of
things going on in my life and I need a source of income. I don't have
time
to work on projects right now without ending up homeless.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf in any case it's high
time emacs is either dropped or published.
douchebag: I'm more
than capable of programming/building/writing/ect...
mircea_popescu: the
thing's dead, what.
this is
the direct equivalent of arab kid scratching ins'allah on inside of pharoh
tomb.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough
to be here exactly
then?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because i kept going from double
take
to double
take, "seriously, someone uses google drive ?!"
then "wait, system what ?!"
phf: asciilifeform: you'd be amused by
the latest emacs release, "Limited form of concurrency with Lisp
threads" "Emacs now uses double buffering
to reduce flicker on
the X Window System" "Flymake has been completely redesigned" "TRAMP has a new connection method for Google Drive" "A systemd user unit file is provided". it's almost like a self-parody
mircea_popescu: douchebag looky,
the place's not for you. you're not smart enough
to be here. what's so hard
to grok about
this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have
to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
☟︎☟︎☟︎ douchebag: I offered
to work for free with
the promise of payment of
the job successfully completed.
mircea_popescu: mexicans are having an ok
time with
the progressive moving of erstwhile us inhabitants into
their dreamer
tanks.
mircea_popescu: this is not related
to profession, it's a demographic pressure
thing.
mircea_popescu: everyone had an ok
time after depopulation event, most recently ww2,
a111: Logged on 2018-06-17 16:32 mircea_popescu: !!rate douchebag -1 as it
turns out,
the more elaborate effort one puts into distinguishing gold from sand,
the more elaborately sandy sand
the one ends up with. gold is irrespectively evident on
the first pass.
douchebag: In regards
to your last question, I'm willing
to work - however, I'm not going
to spend my
time working without any sort of compensation.
douchebag: I'm looking
through
the logs right now
to find exactly what was unclear
to me.
douchebag: I just wanted clarification about
the discussions
that had
taken place,
that is all.
douchebag: In regards
to hanbot and mircea_popescu negrating me, I did read
the logs and wanted clarification about
the discussions
that
took place which lead
to mircea_popescu negrating me.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, re "inca official",
thios is not so. about 2/3 of
the nominally qualified pay
the "education"
tax but have no income
to show for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know,
this was a major lulz in "western europe" cca 1980s, when all sorts of bums and other vagrants in advanced states of dishevelement showerd up. "we escaped COMMUNIST HELL!!!!" "really ? how come everyone likes it
there ?" "no
they hate it
there!!! everyone hatges it!!!" "Really ?!"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need
to print off
these flier, if I include
the reciept of
the printed fliers will you remburse
them ?
mircea_popescu: if i everyone wasn't such a fucking retard, we'd have a lawyer joined up by now, and i could sponsor his clerical costs
to send amici briefs
to each and every single case involving "digital evidence" arguing it's a govt plant.