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ave1: jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1? ☟︎

jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time. ☟︎

ave1: btw, I do like lisp and going through the spec.

mp_en_viaje: i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in rotaku antiqua, http://trilema.com/2011/uite-stam-si-noi-degeaba-pe-aici/ ; i probably should translate that piece.

mp_en_viaje: i guess i can go hang out with maduro and that guy in syria nao, new mp "democratically elected" in washington

ave1: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925588, thx! fixed. I did not put in a double ) to close of that comment. I also fixed some grammatical errors (I forgot to wait half an hour an proof-read before posting) ☝︎

dorion: trinque thank you. I'd read it's meat operated, qr code over airgap iirc, but thought meat operation was only on outputs side.

asciilifeform: d0 means 'dirty' i.e. writes are permitted. v1/d1 are same as this, but for when bit-below-bottom-of-tag is ~odd~.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 15:53 asciilifeform: anyway i think this covers the subj.

dorion: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925151 << trinque as of ~20 minutes ago, deedbot tells me my !!balance is 0.0 and !!ledger is empty. however, the txn I made for this request was included in block 587568, which is 86 confirmations deep at present according to my local trb. do you see a problem on your end? ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: i expect

asciilifeform: i defo recall this pic (but how to find!)

mp_en_viaje: in other #help, anyone recall which the fuck trilema article did i put the chicks reading while flat on belly on old style carpet, legs in perfect splits ?

asciilifeform: anyway i think this covers the subj. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the solutions i tried, were : plain iterative search ; and the simd thing. both sucked.

asciilifeform: 1 naive solution i considered, was radix search, but with straight 3byte index, that's a 2^24-entry (4bit ea, i.e. index, so weights 1MB) table, would blow the pc cache to hell.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925370 << i oughta formalize the maffs problem , on the off chance that a log reader might want to attempt it via some oddball method (e.g. radix search) : ☝︎

asciilifeform: at 1 time i soldered 1 in, manually, but it was pretty cavernous lappy

asciilifeform: no conceivable reason why it'd have to be laptop-sized. this being said, i'd rather use lappy with msdos peh than unix, for cipheration/signing.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 13:59 asciilifeform: ( orc 'nationalist' wanks tend to follow language map, near as i can tell. )

mp_en_viaje: i believe it's the correct approach, have fixed-size repeaters, like so : 1. plug into FG, will load up a 4kb chunk of random ; 2. unplug, it repeats the chunk permanently while powered.

asciilifeform: i.e. variant where the end of the pipe is a device running also peh , talking over r232.

asciilifeform: i did expect that folx would ask for this. there aint afaik a portable way of doing it, however, will require ugly c imports.

mp_en_viaje: i'd much prefer built-in

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925437 << i suspect that autos parked on sidewalk (endemic in orcistans where 'hey nao you can borrow to buy merc' , saw in bucharest same) collapsed the drains. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( orc 'nationalist' wanks tend to follow language map, near as i can tell. ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: i wrote one, but it needs a bit of polish. imho it may be an unhealthy thing, though, gold standard for 'secrets kept unattended' would be a dedicated iron, rather than 'type in passphrase into this linux proggy, and 'faith-based' count on the os not to stow the keystrokes somewhere'

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 07:13 mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself".

lobbes: I'm certainly improvising as I go here, but I gots a notebook near my bed that I write down shit I *want* to try to introduce her to, but only in time. Going slow (over the internets anyways, so no real rush in either case)

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925126 << this has been good advice, btw, especially since I tend to get ahead of myself in general. ☝︎

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925395 << if you are good with the piecemeal approach, then I am. I'll see if I can get just that basic piece done by end-of-day August 4th ☝︎

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925131 <-- ok. as far as I can see, this means that genesizing a CLtron should be next thing on the list after current item; otherwise can't run *any* of this CL code. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-27 16:50 mp_en_viaje: spyked, my two "objections", as i'm sure you noticed, tend towards a broad "omfg, bad habits" sorta something.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925129 <-- I did notice, I'll be more careful to properly explain "why chosen to do X" in the future; relatedly, a long time ago /me studied basic jazz theory and it went exactly along the lines of "this mistake is actually a correct note in that particular context" ☝︎

diana_coman: I admit that I always pictured Ukr as "oh no, more of Husi"

spyked: mp_en_viaje, this morning it rained in bucharest for about 2hrs straight (similarly, with 20 mins of heavy rain). another 3hrs later, streets are all dry and I expect by tomorrow it'll be back to 30+ degrees celsius

mp_en_viaje: i see what you mean, but... it's klunky as is. "not always used" ?

diana_coman: I suppose I "made him jump" , lolz

diana_coman: how does one imagine they can "learn" while hiding under the bed, I have no idea

diana_coman: he came into #ossasepia to "learn" but wouldn't give a name other than "zmk" so I gave him a name, what; he apparently ran off when he saw it was for realz, hence negrate.

deedbot: diana_coman rated zmk -5 << Bubico Garson (eu l-am aruncat, manca-i-ai coada!).

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925386 << no, actually, to an actual castle. he's just as on his way out as he was at time of last lordship list revision, and quite frankly the absolute last thing i want to see is noobs infected with whatever brain parasite that turned 2013-2014 mod6 into 2018-2019 mod6. ☝︎☟︎

mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself". ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925368 << i guess it's possible. seems unlikely on the basis of general experience, but nfi ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: oh, actually, since i started this : it is harmful to a superlative degree to attempt pantsuit abuse upon little boys and call it "education". boys have to spill blood, as part of their natural and necessary function ; this is precisely why little girls come with clingwrap on their snatch.

mp_en_viaje: ce, because i'm stupid"

mp_en_viaje: i run into said princesses at the rate of ~1/week ; eg http://trilema.com/2019/the-burlesque-competition-and-assorted-observances/?b=By%20far&e=chick#select very much exactly same. and they confess, too, she told me all about her bf, and how she got ever more aggressive, an eventually blood on the floor. wouldn't believe it's because of natural female http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/?b=nails&e=guts#select , believed her

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 00:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925355 << for that matter afaik remains unknown where went e.g. Framedragger. swallowed, for all i know, in bermuda triangle.

tanami: well, I thought I'd join here for a bit and see what the community is like

tanami: I was just browsing therealbitcoin.org

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 22:46 mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925355 << for that matter afaik remains unknown where went e.g. Framedragger. swallowed, for all i know, in bermuda triangle. ☝︎☟︎

mp_en_viaje: i'm guessing it'll resolve itself some way or another.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 15:59 mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way.

mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 06:59 mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies.

mp_en_viaje: altogether i'd say the absolute worst case of benefit/effort ratio in history of mp meets. pretty much everyone else did manage to get ~some kind~ of boost from taking the trouble to come over have a cup of coffee ; but in this case a humongo helping of what i can only mentally represent as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919605 resulted in a few hours discussing nothing of any consequence (minus, of course, a firm promise of ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: i ended up opting to not even publish pics, because couldn't get in touch anymore to see if any objections.

mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I will point out that the Election does have an undesirable worst case where the Colorado/Reds and guy who identifies as an economist wins. In that scenario Uruguay spends 5 years it can't afford as NY/US vassal state

a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 13:32 asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!

a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 03:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re uy election piece -- i'ma have to confess that it reads to me exactly like descriptions of footballism. i.e. massive pile of unbound symbols

asciilifeform: i guess their miami cheques finally cleared ? nfi

asciilifeform: fwiw i found that retargeting gcc is not actually very hard

asciilifeform: rk co. seems to not be doing so hot in market. is, near as i can tell, being price-squeezed by the even cheaper (but for our application useless, as they dun boot bloblessly) arm clones

diana_coman: tbh I never used several pages of comments and having them broken at a random place seems like a stupid idea indeed; but then again, I probably messed about with all the knobs around there at one time or another.

BingoBoingo: I suspect the right cut here is kill comment pagination.

BingoBoingo: I don't recall running into it before either.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: done and indeed this way it works; I wasn't aware of this bug in mp-wp though

BingoBoingo: I suspect the place to attack this is the discussion settings tab

BingoBoingo: When I load it in my browser I get redirected to http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/#comment-4, which I suspect is how it should be generating the link in the first place.

diana_coman: possibly a theme thing though iirc I just used the basic theme, changed only the colour and added the author under title

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it fails to add the 1 there i.e. this resolves correctly: younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/comment-page-1/#comment-4

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: This is odd. I an unsure how or why mp-wp tries to paginate comments. Will try to see if I can uncover anything.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 19:30 diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that.

asciilifeform: presently asciilifeform suspects that 'sseism' was a straight 'upgrade scam', i.e. trick to make folx throw out old irons when really 0 justification

mp_en_viaje: i've made the sorta call in two minutes ; people occasionally do, especially across the gender gap. whole human brain is optimized precisely and specifically to make this sort of call in the shortest time possible, there's no other problem besides, perhaps, object tracking that we're as good at.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i always suspected that 'fancy' x86 instrs were a sham (i.e. take just about as long, cuz really microcoded, as the classical alternative )

diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that. ☟︎

lobbes: diana_coman: I'll do some pencil-to-paper planning today and will try to have an educated estimate out by tonight (roughly 8hrs from now)

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:29 mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change.

shrysr: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925199 thank you for explanation. I had seen your article earlier, but did not finish reading it, and did not refer to it in writing the post. However, I am revisiting the WoT and will revert with a better summary. ☝︎

lobbes: So, I want to apologize to diana_coman personally for this delay. Rest assured I am on the case

lobbes: And second; I would bet a lot of money that it will take me LESS time to simply code something fresh off of the republican logbot tree, then to deconstruct this frankenstein monster I created 4 years ago.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 08:04 diana_coman: at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925158 << Just to update: I've spent yesterday and the first half of today re-digging into the #eulora logotron coad, and I have come to the conclusion that I just want to burn it all and start over. (i.e. *I* don't even want to use it anymore) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( worx on all boxen that have 'sse2'. 2x faster , in principle, where 'sse3' but i haven't any )

mp_en_viaje: somebody's gotta make all the bombs and things, what can i say.

asciilifeform: i'ma guess they were looking for 'thermodynamics -- proposes, kinetics -- disposes' lol

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i have slaves

bvt: hi. i'm back from my travel (incidentally, also from ukraine, though not kyiv)

mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: if i rate someone -10, i thereby communicate two different things : a) a negative and b) how likely do i deem this to be my final appraisal (10 out of 10, ie as far as i

mp_en_viaje: shrysr, i suspect you misunderstand the meaning of the numbers.

diana_coman: I rated him so he can up himself but he's still finding his bearings/being prudent about it

mp_en_viaje: kinda also illustrates the problem with "how did i not notice " / "was right there under nose" etc -- yes, was. in a field so huge fulla haystacks so vast...

diana_coman: lolz, not with ukrainian girls as such; but I knew girls/environments precisely like that

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 08:31 mp_en_viaje: ~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT.