asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Bmfny is most recent one i posted iirc

asciilifeform: ( or in their take on haskellism )

asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: i'm not particularly interested in aiding & abetting microshit's attempts to embrace&extinguish ada

asciilifeform: ( for phree, at any rate )

asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: life is too short to read microshit's material

asciilifeform: lol did he also miss the block reader

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: it works -- on the unprepared.

asciilifeform: in 1990s.

asciilifeform: it is called 'embrace & extinguish' and was a method pioneered by microshit.

asciilifeform: (tentacles of same octopus)

asciilifeform: and llvm team likewise

asciilifeform: this is what the gcc5 folks spend their time doing.

asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: but at the same time subtly (or not subtly) breaking existing code,

asciilifeform: and malicious idiots can break a compiler, while still technically not violating the standard,

asciilifeform: the basic idiocy of c world is that there is permitted to exist a gap between written standard and the actual implementation programs rely on ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( it is physically impossible )

asciilifeform: and the compiler cannot possibly infer this.

asciilifeform: whereas ~100% of all nontrivial c proggies rely on modular arithmetic via overflow, somewhere.

asciilifeform: anything at all.

asciilifeform: format the disk.

asciilifeform: the thing is allowed, in theory, to catch fire, crash, substitute random number, whichever.

asciilifeform: erlehmann: the fact that the result of overflow is literally undefined in c !

asciilifeform: on top of this, gcc5 happily removes , e.g., memset

asciilifeform: and UNTRAPPABLE

asciilifeform: ( e.g. integer overflow IS UNDEFINED in c )

asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour. ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: do read the logs.

asciilifeform: ^ yer in for a treat.

asciilifeform: !#s glibc

asciilifeform: every time you sit down and fight a month-long rear guard battle just to keep your box ~usable -- thank esr & co.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592090 << see also. and other threads. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( and prohibits static linking ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: or that glibc imports drepper's 0days for you

asciilifeform: and then you get a recent gcc and find that it 'optimizes' out safety checks so that exploits can work.

asciilifeform: e.g. graphical browsers ( 'chromium', say, insists on dbus )

asciilifeform: aaaand even after you handcraft the gentoo, with bare hands and sewing needle, you still gotta 'police' the thing constantly, and keep out the poetteringisms that continuously want to build one another, and you have to swear off maybe half of all 'modern' proggies

asciilifeform: ( and if you haven't been doing it for ~decade+, you generally can't do it. at. all. )

asciilifeform: you can only get ~actual~ linux today if you make it with own hands. and it takes about a month to go from 0 to a usable box. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: the 'embrace & extinguish' thing. it worked.

asciilifeform: aaha.

asciilifeform: but somehow 100% of the money 'evaporated' in ~decade.

asciilifeform: and was handsomely paid

asciilifeform: point re esr, is that he agreed to work as an ideological judas goat to counter rms

asciilifeform: of any ver.

asciilifeform: wouldya believe i have 0 gnomes here.

asciilifeform: he prefaces always with 20+min of 'if you have a computer, you have relied on Things That I Wrote' etc various nonsense re own mega-significance

asciilifeform: i've seen him speak in public

asciilifeform: ever meet him in meatspace ?

asciilifeform: !!up erlehmann

asciilifeform: because a shit-eater -- rich, or poor -- is still a shit-eater.

asciilifeform: and enough of it -- to pop.

asciilifeform: in the end such folx invariably eatshit for free.

asciilifeform: today esr begs for spare change.

asciilifeform: !#s surprised by wealth

asciilifeform: esr , recall , also was 'well-paid' quisling,

asciilifeform: 30 pieces of silver!111

asciilifeform: whereas shitting in public, is frowned upon by civilized folx.

asciilifeform: best done in private.

asciilifeform: that kind of 'ease' is why we have locking doors in shithouses

asciilifeform: why he even bothered to write -- remained a mystery to me

asciilifeform: d00d consistently advocated 'sit in your chair, resistance is futile'

asciilifeform: was from the (public) beginning 'we're like bitcoin, but with censorship, so When They Shoot The Bitcoinists, we'll live' ☟︎

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: just like today's , e.g., 'ethereum' etc.

asciilifeform: with a centrally-controlled pseudobitcoin

asciilifeform: idea was, by replacing

asciilifeform: my least nonsensical hypothesis is that thiel funded urbit (yes) to make a half-hearted play at 'embrace&extinguish'ing bitcoin ☟︎

asciilifeform: old wine; new bottle.

asciilifeform: with 'new flavour'

asciilifeform: like many other american hucksters ( e.g. joseph smith ..) he is mainly good at scavenging & repackaging old crackpotteries

asciilifeform: but it ended up as a fairly standard 'altcoin scam', yes

asciilifeform: phf: possibly this ; or possibly the cockroaches in his head decided , entirely arbitrarily, to do it, for no discernible logic at all

asciilifeform: but i have nfi who -- if anyone -- buys

asciilifeform: for 500usd ea.

asciilifeform: iirc today he is selling 1/256th of'em

asciilifeform: and 'investors' etc.

asciilifeform: then a bunch more, for 'sponsors'

asciilifeform: iirc no fewer than 27, right off the bat

asciilifeform: in actuality the 'dukedoms' were handed out like candy,

asciilifeform: pretty lulzy , erlehmann is not the first to assume that asciilifeform bought something from urbit

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: was elementary once you realize it's a ripoff of s-k

asciilifeform: it was why i wrote the nocktron

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: he gave it to me

asciilifeform: i didn't !

asciilifeform: ( i found his repo prior to any public mention thereof )

asciilifeform: erlehmann: before release

asciilifeform: !!up erlehmann

asciilifeform: gotta luvv how d00d took the credit for s-k calculus

asciilifeform: of course 'nock' is merely s-k calculus with 'serial number sawed off'

asciilifeform: ( free ride on top of sbcl ! )

asciilifeform: it not only worked, but -- afaik -- remains the only 'optimizing' compiler of nock to x86

asciilifeform: erlehmann: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103 << mine

asciilifeform: 'let's have many small monarchies'

asciilifeform: he was a 'multi', if you will, monarchist

asciilifeform: it is more difficult to count the places where he did ~not~ commit an atrocity, than the atrocities.

asciilifeform: ( mr. mold advocated for 'patchwork states', which were -- best as anyone could tell -- a miraculous resurrection of 16th c. italian provinces, somehow balanced in mutual non-nukeability . but in 'urbit' he implemented a reich, with central control and total dependence on the 'palace' )