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decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah we ground-bound folk don't appreciate the air movements around objects
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so take up bobsleigh. better for your health. << or bicycles, more actual physical connection of your meat with the dynamic systems in question. airplanes and helicopters worth looking into as well
trinque: gabriel_laddel: the outputted JS is more comprehensible?
trinque: gabriel_laddel: how do you find using parenscript?
thestringpuller: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I have some code now that converts javascript to parenscript
asciilifeform: what mircea_popescu ^ said.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel his idea being i suspect that c code you wish to query over should just be quarried over yonder hill
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: query?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: signmeup.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel, et al: try to remember why all of these things need redoing in the first place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can write cl without 'cons' but this is like english without letter 'e'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: when i declared that it ought to be writte in c, i meant -entirely-
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: which wasn't any kind of orchestra but a spy network
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: not a theatre. the 'red orchestra'
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: CL + C when necessary.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i take this is going to be lisp, as in not scheme, not clojure, cl ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: as for now, I just want to have a clear idea of what the interface is, what the problems are etc.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: eventually, yes.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you seriously thinking of implementing a sane pgp ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: random: but I recall you said you don't like driving so you don't. You're driven. Do you ever "want" to drive in some ideal scenario? A racetrack or something?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: eh, that was a footnote.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yes. you've written about the game of 'balance' wrt fucking. when playing this game you /know/ somehow that you're doing it correctly, via various signals.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i actually was kinda disinterested in fucking as a young adolescent, was taught by older girls.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: so how'd you learn to fuck?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...fighting hardware << aha. linux kernel in one sentence.
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: mitm for the userspace << funnily, one common purely-userland trick to play on pwned folks is to adjust LD_PRELOAD in their personal shell env
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: "For instance, for ELF executables, we set the RPATH in the executable such that it will find a statically determined set of library dependencies at runtime, rather than using a dynamic mechanism such as the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to look up libraries" holy shit.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they're part of the "pat-on-the-back" crowd that constantly need to be told what a good job they're doing else their paltry raison d'être will crumble
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/gabriel_laddel | http://w.b-a.link/user/gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Daca as bea bere la foc continuu, pe o teava cat gatul direct in stomac, fara sa inghit, tot n-as ajunge nicaieri << this is a national sport in usa, didja know ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same, lol
asciilifeform: to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's a recent zil
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us, I'm pretty sure that the manufacturers (who have an oligopoly) cheapen shit up so that it 'breaks' and requires replacement at a rate they select
mircea_popescu: http://media.englishrussia.com/new_images//zilmuseum-50.jpg << exactly the one in middle ☟︎
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's considered normal for the entire system to break every year or two, typically requiring a specially licensed repairman to come out and replace the freon lines
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2015#1012439 ☝︎
decimation: mircea_popescu: the irony is that for many us citizens, their house is their biggest 'savings account', yet very few consider any other option than what the builder 'decided'
decimation: for the interested reader, some theory on heat pumps is here: http://www.withouthotair.com/cE/page_301.shtml
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_popescu: what is http://mpex.co/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu clearly does not live in swampland
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: condensation.
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_propescu: Can you be more specific?
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_propescu: What makes you say when Mt gox dies it's decided here?
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_propescu: Is everyone here anonymous?
decimation: mircea_popescu: is it hydronic heat?
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_popescu: What do you mean? Is this a place where people find the best way to spend their bitcoins so they can hold tighter?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but what're they used for: typically stands between user and death from exposure. runs furnace blower/igniter in the cold months; a window ac unit in summer; fridge, a few lights, etc.
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_popescu: I know I'm asking what is the purpose of this IRC?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah can't run a/c but you could run fridge
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they typically have surge rating of 5-7x
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: radiant or forced air << yard shed. portable furnace thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except they CANT be had in the us << tell that to kanzure, or any of the ten thousand folks like asciilifeform but moar-loaded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can d << lol, we know these were for friends, not mircea_popescu's house
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes perhaps you don't understand what "the town" means.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it most certainly cannot be true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in. but quite likely true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in for 18 usd per. <<< it doesn't even reach that. the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can do to halp bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: my plaintive cries << it's not a bad plan i don't think.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but... <<< i come fresh from a three hour session of discussing eulora game model with c people.
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe they'll crowdsource a sweet name for wwiii from reddit this time
adlai: i'm not set on a specific configuration for how such terms would look; i'm interested to see what works for them. mircea_popescu outlined the terms he offers people who manage profit centers, and it seems that he's not willing at this stage to risk an amount which is worth my time to manage, and this is understandable
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
adlai: ben_vulpes: context is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052, the thing is usable, i'm trying to get people to use it. maybe not the most tactful, but i don't have my own pr lady (yet) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it most certainly cannot be true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in. but quite likely true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in for 18 usd per.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu originally contested the difficulty of importing heavy things, saying it was a problem of the poorly networked
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 06:26:04; mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the risk of circularity, the place where you can easily make the kind of arrangement pictured in the film.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aka st petersburg, petrograd
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: leningrad
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why'd you leave ?
asciilifeform: sounds very spiffy, but i notice ben_vulpes is referring to this business arrangement in the past tense
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your warehouse had heat? 3-phase current? private apartment out of sight of other tenants ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one could get a similar space in some parts of usa, but it would be under 24/7 orc siege and security costs for parity with the pictured workshop would dwarf the rent
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the non-obvious tidbit in the film is that the man can afford those digs without being especially loaded
thestringpuller: so they brainwashing people out there ben_vulpes ?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: buddy of mine who works at the intel plant up there.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:39; mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: heard something about your city today lol
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ? << working towards this is the root my plaintive cries about what it means to "bitcoinate"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ? << gotta move all the transaction generation logic out of the turd. implies a database replacement using something that can actually be queried, not a braindamaged k/v store.
thestringpuller: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmen.hotnews.bg%2Fuploads%2Ftinymce%2F2_alf.jpg&t=549&c=1T2zcHV8YJdx_g
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see the vars set in build.sh; then look at the top of makefile.unix (bitcoind)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: limiting the conversation to gcc variants, the command line lib and include flags take precedence for search paths
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: study the example in 'portatronic'
asciilifeform wonders what ben_vulpes is still doing in his jail
asciilifeform glad for ben_vulpes's good fortune
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: failure of imagination ^ here. more interestingly, we could, say, go on a 'disappearing' plane. or, more comically, turned out on the return leg: 'we've never heard of you, go and starve in mexico city where you came from'
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.
trinque: ben_vulpes: good afternoon!
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, did you just try to connect to my node?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ruling elite of his time/place showed every symptom of having 'lost the mandate of heaven', to use the chinese term of art tailor made for this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the historical picture in my head is incomplete, but i just can't grasp the portrait of orwell as cockless worm.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 20:09:21; mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
adlai: mircea_popescu: i still don't follow why you say http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011933 ☝︎