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a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 21:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539690 << i used cornall's ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hey, wait, i thought they were going to nailgun the other one!!11eleventy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing ☟︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? << i have.
asciilifeform: it remains to be demonstrated rigorously that mine does the job as claimed. which is why i haven't posted it quite yet.
mircea_popescu: nah i had no workable implementation.
asciilifeform: i must wonder now if mircea_popescu came out with same item i did.
mircea_popescu: ha! /me showered, came out with two ideas : an update for article ; and "i wonder if one could come up with a way to do all-or-nothing transforms that are freeform"
asciilifeform: i'ma post it once i get a couple of spare hours in which to write it up.
asciilifeform: as a byproduct of the mega-thread on mircea_popescu's www, i invented a potentially useful item, that probably ought to be shared
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539646 << aha. I'm certain all of us have been reading the exchange. (I hope some made use of !!subscribe to do so) ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, i must also add that there are potentially other solutions ( e.g., zkp auth.) that do not reduce to 'sh' or 'dc'.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, it's how i'd do it too.
asciilifeform: i will add that, despite the ~total impasse, this has been the most enjoyable public dialogue i've partaken in, in quite some time.
mircea_popescu: this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i drop this here in attempt to coax the lazy folk to join us on your www.
mircea_popescu: the matter in dispute is how to handle authentification. one solution is decrypt-challenge. the other solution is signed-hello. i reject signed-hello for a number of reasons, both practical and theoretical, which alf doesn't seem to think much of but which i am satisfied are sufficient to sink any attempt to implement a gossipd on sh. alf purports to reject dc on similar grounds, except i can't find anything like an argument
mircea_popescu: as the australian slut once said to her boyfriend, "roses are red, violets are blue, i'm at mp's house cheating you you eh."
phf: asciilifeform: i'll read it once the dust settles
asciilifeform: ( i assume mircea_popescu sent out a high-S for scientific purposes )
mircea_popescu: but ftr, i only transmitted the first.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539596 << fwiw, as far as i can tell, my boxes never saw these. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile i'm chasing some obscure comment blockquoting bug
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
Framedragger: r them to recover, and meanwhile i'm off to a punk concert. ttyl.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo
Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover ☟︎
Framedragger: so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down
shinohai: I got him covered on that mircea_popescu
Framedragger: (crazy. i'm dumping the contents of vim buffer through the literal ssh terminal, by hand, 'cause i can't save them and i need to. good times!)
Medow: No , i didn't
mircea_popescu: hm i thought the wiki got updated.
shinohai: I wonder if those turtles are infected with Baracktrema obamai
mircea_popescu: i suppose ingest/excrete would be the english dysfunctional-but-best pair.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
mircea_popescu: then again i dun think i'm the only one.
shinohai: !~later tell pete_dushenski Sure I can put you a signed copy of wp-mp up on my site if you still need.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for writing that design document.. http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118965 (nothing new i guess, but just a request for clarification so to speak, and trying to argue both sides, to an extent)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and it appears that i no longer have the original tgz. shinohai ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i just got the php off my hands, man
asciilifeform: i even built trb for it.
phf: there was some old obscure reason why we ditched openbsd. i think it was driver support on that backup gardget
pete_dushenski: if this isn't pure carcoin 2.0 except with "underlying autonomous technology" instead of altcoin 2.0 "underlying blockchain technology", i don't know what is. top kek.
mircea_popescu: i'm an anthropologist! i look for these things!
mod6: more, i'd say.
asciilifeform: ( i still have one of these things going in the dungeon )
asciilifeform: to revisit this wonderful digression, i've long suspected that the notion that 'great conditions' are great for output, and 'harsh gulag' - not, is not exactly true.
mircea_popescu: so i hear.
mircea_popescu: no, i know./
asciilifeform: i dun get it. what would be the use of a tx timestamp
asciilifeform: 'I do not know why Satoshi did not decide to include a transaction time stamp. It's only 4 bytes, and it is a valuable piece of information that people really need access to. For now, all you can do is use the timestamp of the block and hope that's close enough for government work. And by government work, I mean close enough for tax and accounting purposes. Since the value of bitcoin is very volatile and can go up and down by mas
asciilifeform: who, i wonder, is the intended reader of this.
asciilifeform: i.e. to specify the relationship between the bits and the logical meanings thereof.
asciilifeform: i learned of it from naggum.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm reading through this spec ben_vulpes dug up.
asciilifeform: i keep forgetting what knobs the heathens lack
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:47 mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes. In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later. I don't know why/how this occurs."
mircea_popescu: no i mean. ~could work~.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall this too, but maybe it was a temporary thing
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:40 phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539363 << i could've sworn there was a hopper i could drop into ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes. In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later. I don't know why/how this occurs." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years." ☟︎
phf: true, but right now the number of patches is so low i go out of my way to grab anything i can find anyway
phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I think I vaguely remember. Something, something, makework, may have been argument
mod6: i don't have time to dig it up. but.. i might be mis-remembering
asciilifeform: i will sign.
mod6: im not gonna worry about it. i went through some pain to get them exactly reground correctly, you checked them (iirc) and said they were "correct." but that was pretty much the end of it.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know if i actually said such a thing
mod6: i dunno, it was back in the day.
mod6: in fact, i think you said that you wouldn't sign them.
phf: asciilifeform: well, if you look at the seals folder you'll noticed that your sigs for the two patches are not there either, nor do i have them in my backup. since i remember meticulously going over mailing list and collecting vpatches and sigs, then correlating them to what mod6 had, then ... etc. etc. i suspect that there's some reason for why they are missing but i don't remember what it is. i suspect that it has something to do with regrinds t
phf: asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/ ask mod6, but i suspect that both were reground, and you didn't resign either since that happened
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 02:04 asciilifeform: i like ben_vulpes but he has not been catching mice.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538902 << you'll probably find this as useful as any other rodent carcass left on your pillow, but over the last 2 months i've racked my own metal, migrated out of virtualization to the new box, ported my blog to mp-wp, and stood the obvious tmsr services up on the new box (blog, paster, node). it doesn't look like much from the outside, but paying down debt of necessity ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum << what happened here, phf ? i know i signed malleus and versionstring (i wrote'em) ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke << did i ever tell phf how much i enjoy looking at the colours ?
ben_vulpes: nah, i show up elsewhere
mircea_popescu: "nigga, i wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, who the fuck do you imagine is going through artistic queue movements."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539300 << here in the heart of mordor (and quite likely elsewhere in the land of the phreeee) the banks react. i.e. they are abolishing walk-in rooms with tellers etc. entirely. atm or gtfo. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "I have never had a need to believe. Though this mental state of apostasy has saved me the anger that accompanies the disillusioned man in his 30s who finally discovers that some important pillar of his life was built upon a lie, it is no sign of superior intellect." << lafond in peak form.
jurov: mod6 huh i forgot?
phf: asciilifeform: shitty url "parser" :> i've been meaning to replace it, but i'm working on something else right now
shinohai: But yeah, appreciate the offer of help. I miss perusing the bash-ism and really want that feature back.
shinohai: Imma try and have it up by first of week, I got sidetracked with this trb makefile thing
pete_dushenski: i'd be happy to help moderate it, or even host it if need be
pete_dushenski: i guess the white ones woulda been euwhiggas or something
pete_dushenski: in other alpha greens, i can totally get behind the definition of 'alpha male' that doesn't involve maintaining palaces full of harem girls. a deep sigh of relief was breathed across the land.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what's going on...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: on my trilema gorge sesh i noticed a linking inconsistency in the elliot chronicles. all subsequent parts link to their direct predecessors with the exception of http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-three/ which links to part one.
covertress: there's always soylent. people, not https://www.soylent.com/ - further, i agree with you adlai, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-10#1047512 ☝︎
pete_dushenski: shinohai: i guess there's always eating sterilised dirt
shinohai: I didn't like the extra comma, twas removed
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
mircea_popescu: "i have my liberty and i dun need your dumb head to give me no rights" as far as ancient trilemisms go
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#368 << i'm not going to listen to audio ; but seems he's spreading the gospel neh ?