asciilifeform: ( he will probably disagree, and say 'tight bound is not same as 'say how much memory and cpu'... but fact is, this is not quite the unpredictable game-of-life-style automaton contemplated earlier. )
asciilifeform: so it looks like the current algo lacks the properties 4 and 5 from mircea_popescu's article.
asciilifeform: and incidentally the bound on operations also binds S ( which grows either once or none times per. )
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )☟︎
asciilifeform: for now asciilifeform is satisfied with having solved own verminiferous problems.
asciilifeform: 'doctor, first delouse thyself' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: and yes american ver. of the saying would probably be the thing where 'roach motel! check in, but never check out'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma learn from the greats, e.g., BingoBoingo , instead!11
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that these can be cut
asciilifeform: ved _all_ their investments in their people this way, because it is as unhealthy for a market with disproportionate power in the hands of employees as it is with disproportionate power in the hands of employers...'
asciilifeform: '...C/C++ are quite interesting languages from a marxist point of view, too (it being May 1 and all): they are so bad that any professional who wants to do interesting work needs to learn new tools all the time and have the employer pay for it. the means of production are thus removed from the hands of the owners into the hands of the workers in a very new way. if the employers were any smart, they would not use languages that remo
asciilifeform: ( somewhat unrelatedly , i find the fact of google and crapple each adopting a proprietary shitlang, to be a fascinating thing from 'labour politics' pov -- was it an attempt to put a damper on 'poaching' of workers ? or something else. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, toxicologists who insist on personally tasting every sample, generally do not have long, illustrious career
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it certainly oughta. but this was not the light in which i saw the thread.
asciilifeform: and the thing about glue traps, is that 'entry is a buck, exit -- two'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i ( and , as in linked threads, in the past, mircea_popescu also ) observe that golang is not 'simply another prog lang' but a carefully built intellectual gluetrap for the naive and energetic
asciilifeform: which is why observation is not about the drinkers of shit, but re clean-shaved western idiots who point and call 'alternate hygiene, just as good if not better than ours'
asciilifeform: but just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not.
asciilifeform: dunno how we ended up discussion 'prohibitions' -- asciilifeform hasn't the power or desire to confiscate d00d's keyboard for churning out whatever liquishit.
asciilifeform: i regard my duty of 'showing' to be fulfilled, when i state, without any strong emotion, that i will not run golang, nor encourage others to do so.
asciilifeform: trinque: understand, asciilifeform's barf is not in response to 'd00d wrote a proggy in piglang' but to the notion that it is perhaps a thing to be considered for serious deployment, and an experiment that ought to be replicated by other folx who do not normally keep piglang on their iron
asciilifeform: either kill the funny looking white invader -- or learn his tongue, yes
asciilifeform: the way i see it, it is the duty of a serious n00b , who wants to become an adult practitioner of whatever black art , to learn a human lang like french, english, german, etc , rather than to expect the learned folx to learn his piglang, quechua, whichever...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that shooting the jane fonda doesn't cure the syphilis and hiv.
asciilifeform: interestingly 'golang' is a pretty straight ripoff of 'D' (by digital mars co.)
asciilifeform: otherwise it is a camel's nose, an infiltration of enemy.
asciilifeform: again , it ain't about crud languages. it is about systems, and people. if, e.g., sina, wants to ADOPT golang, and maintain it, such that nothing that happens in tmsr is EVER subject to the whims of genderfuckers at google hq -- no python3isms, no 'language is evolving', no 'you need gcc7 to build this', no 'we no longer support ppc and 386, fuckyou' -- then it can be considered
