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asciilifeform: people built ARM on C-gates. why this is not done routinely, i can answer.
mircea_popescu: perhaps we need to look into this.
mircea_popescu: question : since asics have to be special built anyway, could one build a ternary asic ?
asciilifeform: C-gate is even more of an outrageous animal than ternary
mircea_popescu: possibly the most outrageous thing i heard all week.
mircea_popescu: so you are actually sitting there and telling me that ternary based machines a la setun actually have a computational future, technologically speaking
asciilifeform: you dispense with the 'clock'
asciilifeform: asynchronous circuit (people have actually built classical CPUs with these, 1/3 or so the power consumption of ordinary ones)
asciilifeform: ternary also tastes great with Muller (asynchronous) gates.
asciilifeform: using the slack bits for error correction coding.
asciilifeform: i've some logic i wangled together long ago, that maps consumer DRAM into ternary
mircea_popescu: i think they'd love it.
mircea_popescu: i don't think apple for instance would have a problem with making a system that doesn't work with any computing hardware in the world.
asciilifeform: but then you want to use off-the-shelf parts...
asciilifeform: take-home lesson is: you get a machine with fewer moving parts - and fewer weird hacks required to make arithmetic go.
mircea_popescu: well to confess, my interest is to cheaply extract gems i can later use in my administrative career, rather than to geek out on math.
asciilifeform: hence the link
asciilifeform: there's worked arithmetic examples in there
mircea_popescu: i can't use wikipedia for this purpose
ozbot: Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: which naturally mapped to balanced ternary
mircea_popescu: but if you didn't have the luxury to make it more complicated than that ?
asciilifeform: more complicated than that
mircea_popescu: isn't it the case that the situation summarizes as "the russki folks came up with the idea of trying out alternative logix, made the setun, proved thereby the thing is a waste of time" ?
asciilifeform: one dispenses with 'n-complement', adders are simpler, and many other things.
asciilifeform: nope. balanced ternary not only packs denser (ideal base is 'e' from that standpoint) but gives considerably simpler circuits.
mircea_popescu: i thought that was retarded
asciilifeform: (what i actually suggested was to use 'balanced-ternary', like the russian 'Setun' machine)
mircea_popescu: might as well fill the seats so to speak
mircea_popescu: seems a reasonable suggestion, if you're going to the trouble of building a boeing
mircea_popescu: just have a true and an (arbitrary?) number of falsehoods.
asciilifeform: i actually suggested this to curtis
mircea_popescu: and since we're on that logic topic : don't you find it that if indeed you go for 1 false then it would make sense to get rid of the ancient&antiquated binary logic model ?
asciilifeform: at least, i personally solved the puzzle by reducing it to SKI
asciilifeform: where you end up using something equivalent to Church numerals
asciilifeform: nock resolves to SKI combinator calculus.
mircea_popescu: apparently "we switched true and false around notwithstanding this breaks the logic / arithmetic superimposition" isn't quite as big
mircea_popescu: not because there aren't eggregiously bad examples peppered everywhere, but because it is the one phrase that came back underlined in all the review copies i sent out
asciilifeform: this is actually true!
mircea_popescu: ". Decrement isn’t a basic operation and requires linear rather than constant time" << this is perhaps the best part.
mircea_popescu: chiefly through stealing old irc discussion. guess now ima have to steal more.
mircea_popescu: this is all eerily related to the article im in the process of writing,
mircea_popescu: anyway, i originally though the guy was a programmer, which seemed interesting.
asciilifeform: mation they receive? so, did people really _want_ three-ring binders, or is that just what they could buy?'
asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i swear to the foregoing statement.
mircea_popescu: no consumer has ever demanded anything in the history of business to date.
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be a diversion! the fucking trade is called variety!
mircea_popescu: in the case of fortran, yes. in the case of "entertainment" ?!
asciilifeform: better fortran than 'new for the sake of new.'
mircea_popescu: i spent a decade of my youth in roughly equal halves between producing porn and handling hollywood ip. you'd be surprised how often it is the case that "no scripts are new".
mircea_popescu: yaya. i know the script.
asciilifeform: turns 'to the dark side', used evil magic, etc
asciilifeform: legitimate-ish but unsuccessful claimant to the throne.
asciilifeform: critter from 'game of thrones'
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/ajUaSs6.jpg who's this guy ?
mircea_popescu: i will continue to bitch in the meanwhile :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these captchas have really fallen through the floor, and i will crib your method when i have a moment of time...
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that say ?
asciilifeform: wish i knew why they bother to write.
asciilifeform: 'smell of kimchi in the morning.'
mircea_popescu: wow look at that, you got embroiled in korea.
asciilifeform: for anybody who still gives a damn re: the urbit wars: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475
KRS|Gotyawallet: hell they have to if they can make cat and dog taste good.
KRS|Gotyawallet: damn bootleggers..but they make good food.
KRS|Gotyawallet: ..again. They found a way to bootleg crypto http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-okcoin-accused-faking-trading-data/
KRS|Gotyawallet: Ok, so the chinks finally did it..
pankkake: everything is the cloud as long as you say cloud
FabianB_: "Today bitcoin is an amazing protocol, but the only asset you can hold on bitcoin is the BTC. With ColoredCoins people can hold assets like Gold, Euro, USD and different securities on the same decentralized secure cloud platform."
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1302001923.11 based on data since last change | 1249173353.39 based on data for last three days
ozbot: Les Rythmes Digitales - (Hey You) What's That Sound? - YouTube
dj_jazzy_jeff_: monolithik i'll trade
Vexual: haiku time
Duffer1: sorry mono, sleep time for duffer
ozbot: The Verve Already There - Camden Town Hall 1992 - YouTube
monolithik: anyone here bored and want to try trading a colored coin on testnet
benkay: truffles tell me about body scan
Vexual: ask truffles about body scan
Duffer1: what was the fontas pump jj?
Vexual: thats way better than waltzing matilda ben10
Vexual: u wanna vape meth thats your business
dj_jazzy_jeff_: vexual, dude srsly once this crashes and I eat this loss. I'm done. just holding.
ozbot: Erykah Badu- Back in the day - YouTube
Vexual: its all a grand tapestry
Vexual: thing with day trading jazzy...
dj_jazzy_jeff_: benkay ive been trying to day trade.. .done terribly
Vexual: did you eat the turkish bread ben10?
benkay: fuck bitches, get bitcoin. daytrading's for shitheels who can't promote bitcoin into their wallets by driving back the forces of entropy.
benkay: it always to the moon
dj_jazzy_jeff_: i don't ever buy into a pump its just not smart move, alecpap we share the same name
dj_jazzy_jeff_: no twitter action as far as i know
Vexual: im alergic to twitter, whats the hap?
Vexual: difficulty is going to alpha centuri in 2014
Vexual: unless youre getting 4 4k panels, then buy all the video cards u like
Duffer1: i'd rather own shares in the companies making the hardware
Vexual: well get that big weapon and mine it
Duffer1: oh ya i wouldn't mine any of those crap coins for more than a couple days after launch
Vexual: even if you slammed that doge all week on new radeons, u might have made $20 on each card
Duffer1: makes me want to cry
Vexual: your time is better spent doing something else