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diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we don't run a logger; the site is on shared hosting with pizarro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a half-written 'raw csv' shitter knob, won't make it into genesis but prolly will be among 1st patches afte
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, do we run a logger on minigame servers btw ? or no webserver keks
mircea_popescu: do you realise every time i do a keyop it's ~half hour of slavegirl time going blind on asciisoup ?
mircea_popescu: afaik he never was more than a day or so moving coin.
asciilifeform: ( if let's say i needed to move a coin, would have moved ? or also out to lunch )
asciilifeform: nao in re mechanicals -- bot is written from 0 using bare sockets. www end and bot eat a common config, there are nomoar 'magic' constants in the proggy. so it will be pretty simple to set up mirrors after genesis, if anyone is up to it
mircea_popescu: ^ anyone else actively maintaining a castle i forgot in the list ?
mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak in #trilema you must be voiced. If you have a RSA key registered with deedbot, send !!up to it in a private message, decrypt the challenge string and return it with !!v ; else politely ask one of the voiced people to voice you. << meanwhile became total bs.
mp_en_viaje: i will be setting the #trilema channel to silence until we actually have working logs ; which is hopefully mid august. this situation where there's a single logger that's even still going coincidentally, perhaps because maintainer was so deeply unreachable others couldn't even reach out to sync downtime is too much to paper over.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2019-8-2#475954 << this has been ongoing for a while
scriba: Logged on 2019-06-26: [17:45:27] <asciilifeform> iirc there exists a 'fetish' set who dream of... being eaten by cannibals. i never grasped exactly how this worx, psychologically, but entirely possib that 'is proof of my deliciousness!'
mp_en_viaje: derping about "as if you believed otherwise" is not a workable strategu.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is sewing a constant-time keccak so that peh can rsa in battlefield. is someone gonna do this in my place, so i can write www log ??
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ( or trinque , plox to whisper in his ear ) : phf might be dead, but afaik you aint! where is the genesis of yer www log front end ? why are we down to ONE half-maintained log bot ? does asciilifeform have to drop errything and try an' bake a logger ? why ?
mod6: I've got to stop moving for a minute and eat something, and then write up a basic nothing-burger of a foundation report. I'll be back around in a bit.
mod6: So I should just do this on my own accord. Shall we make some arragements for someone to take over the Foundation? How can we go about this. I want to see TMSR~/The Foundation/Pizzaro succeed. Even if that means that I'm not a part of these any longer.
mod6: It seems like Mr. Popescu feels the same way. That I should be drummed out. We've known each other (all of us) for quite some time now. And I don't want to be a "problem" or "idjit" or whatever. Mainly, I don't want to force you all to kick me out. ☝︎
mod6: I think my head must be broken, because the stress of making a decision wrong is paralyzing.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 00:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923606 << This is a neat-o vpatch 'who gave', but it came in just after the 'NO NEW WORK IN SHA PLOX'; so there are a few like this that probably will go into TRB main Vtree once the Lordship reviews/audits the proposed Keccak TRB Vtree; perhaps possibly after TRB has a new home OS/environment.
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 21:01 dorion: I have a trb node pressed to asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch plus a local modification to add a new rpc. This node was was fully synced for a couple days, but has failed to verify block 588012.
asciilifeform: and it may take a while.
asciilifeform: seems like this is what happens if one terminates a node on even fork-split boundary.
dorion: I have a trb node pressed to asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch plus a local modification to add a new rpc. This node was was fully synced for a couple days, but has failed to verify block 588012. ☟︎
asciilifeform: prolly this is where asciilifeform oughta admit, that in his notebook he has (what thinks is) a reasonable protocol for this. it however needs fast keccak.
asciilifeform: there's a long queue of 'idjit standards that Must Die if anyffin sane is to be possible'. on other side of the tower, e.g., x86.
mp_en_viaje: especially seeing how nobody is forced or required to fucking use it ; not for a while anyways. can always fall back on present c-ism if would rather.
mp_en_viaje: can start with a non-cyphered poc antyway
mp_en_viaje: and if not wanna actually fuck, then get out of the night club, go home, have a tea
asciilifeform: it is far from proven that it could not be substantially improved on. but afaik a) only along the axis of bw economy b) at substantial expense in re moving parts.
mp_en_viaje: but the stance seems tenable that if we're gonna go to all the trouble to make and maintain lisp webserver, might as well make a non-fucked one and make new browsers for it
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there are actually coupla dozen (that asciilifeform knows of) schemes similar in scope to luby's -- i picked his simply cuz a) works b) minimal complexity
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 15:53 asciilifeform: ever wonder why heathens still fascinated, like chukchas with radio found in taiga, with 'bittorrent' ? it's because warez goes at ~line rate~ over 'bittorrent'. and at maybe 2/3 line rate on http on a good weather day. why? cuz bt , despite authored by idiot, ~let go of tcpism~ !
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 15:44 asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want)
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925939 << this is incidentally a very good point i would much regret being lost. webpages wouldn't suffer from this "coinverges -- eventually" behaviour ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: i don't specifically care re the culprint ; but i do not see the wisdom of having a lisp server if it looks like that. for one thing, if you just make it honest c more people can be found to debug it.
asciilifeform: you can't actually write a tcpistic http serv thing that doesn't end up looking exactly like this, or worse.
mp_en_viaje: this is not a lisp program.
mp_en_viaje: if it works there it's almost certain such a subtle error in your theme, as an uncliosed div or span or such
asciilifeform: epic win, btw, the server-end highlighter. i'ma put it in my www as soon as have a free finger or two
shrysr: asciilifeform: ok, will check and revert. but damnnnnnn its working somewhere..rofl. Its such a cool thing and I don't know why its not standard.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: just tried on a 'fresh' chrome installation.. still don't see it.
mp_en_viaje: note : this guess is bolstered by sampling conversation with a lot of their "girlfriends"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: caught any ? << Caught a deep impression that US, EE, and SA poverteneur goals are converging to the same 400 USD/month
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925907 << I noticed the blog was missing incoming some incoming trackback on older posts, so I poked the DB a bit. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the 'session' abstraction aint even cardboard , it is toilet paper. yes, i get it, ftp or irc box might want to represent a user as having a 'session' that might time out etc. but why give 9000 flaky (or malicious) routers between the user & server the ability to close the session whenever ~they~ feel like it ?
asciilifeform: fuckers who designed the L3 shit and the ones who specced the L4 shit didn't add enough, here come the L7 idiots who, not being satisfied with a "file transfer protocol" decide to "support" file transfers over HTTP; and since files may be as large as, say, 1TB, then yes, splitting them into small chunks is very much preferable to sending the whole thing right away.'
asciilifeform: 'Now, as if this wasn't enough, TCP also has a (transport layer) segment size, which must fit into a so-called "Maximum Segment Size" (MSS), which must be smaller than the MTU, because we also need to fit lower-layer headers and all that. Otherwise TCP isn't concerned too much with this, but misconfiguration can cause problems with congestion windows and whatnot, and we sure as hell don't want this shit to blow up. Finally, as if the
asciilifeform: ever wonder why heathens still fascinated, like chukchas with radio found in taiga, with 'bittorrent' ? it's because warez goes at ~line rate~ over 'bittorrent'. and at maybe 2/3 line rate on http on a good weather day. why? cuz bt , despite authored by idiot, ~let go of tcpism~ ! ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it -- 'zxc' strikes me as a classic case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 and impedence mismatch generally. it was clearly written as attempt to 'deterministic scheduler on ??? iron/os', but fails, cuz you can't actually spackle away impedence mismatch b/w the underlying platform and the proggy
asciilifeform: the net aint a serial port!! it dun behave like a serial port! and the spackle dun do any good, it cracks and peels when you so much as blow on it ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: tcp was a 'gift' of profound retardation that 'keeps on giving', even to moar obvious extent than e.g. unix. it is single-handedly responsible for ~100% of the backbreaking complexicrud of apache, ssh, ftp, etc
asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want) ☟︎
spyked: asciilifeform, sorry for the annoyance. will certainly do, but the effort to add comments is non-trivial. I'ma try to add structured commenting (box + comments section for each post) in a few weeks from now, but it'll still be a manually operated thing on my side for a while.
asciilifeform: for yrs nao, asciilifeform thought, 'why the everliving fuck not serve page as a set of luby packets'
a111: Logged on 2019-07-26 18:53 mp_en_viaje: im guessing for this one time http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fn1VH/?raw=true will have to be it ; but for the love of christ, what are you doing to me here ? am i going to simply ignore your articles because i know for a fact i'm not interestreded in reading something i can't comment on and you're forcing on me the dilemma of either not commenting at all or else losing it in pastes ? this won't do, if i use an hour to read a post i
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
mp_en_viaje: this is why the unknowns problem is an absolute bar to a high rating -- if people keep asking me questions about X that i can't answer, ima eventually drop their rating. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: lol in a concerted effort to not make mistakes, shrysr 's description of his understanding of the wot thing became significantly vague-r. and of course mistakes still make it in, eg "This rating represents what that person means to you in whatever way you like." is specifically untrue. the number you associated with a rating represens your guess at the likelihood that you will be able to answer a question about that party asked b
mp_en_viaje: anyway. point remains, lmi, bolix, etc folk had absolute obligations : a) to work together ; b) to not work with morons.
mp_en_viaje: ave1, you know i got a coupla comments in queue
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 18:17 ave1: Btw would same stealth go for ships? It seems to me a dimension less. (Not that the littoral can float)
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925868 << out of the question, such a thing as "stealth ship". friction is 5th power of speed, 3rd power of density, a ship can never move fast enough to ever be stealth. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: China's building destoryers by the 50 while playing with a second hand aircraft carrier
ave1: Btw would same stealth go for ships? It seems to me a dimension less. (Not that the littoral can float) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 1 commercial variant that was defo nowhere near being on the table, was 'consumer'. when a MB of dram cost ~same as truck, there was no question that any such machine could be purchased by anyone other than large org. the only dispute could be re what kinda org sold to, and how.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925843 << must point out, this portrait is only visible in retrospect. the playing characters themselves were evidently quite convinced that they were fighting over a future mega-fortune, rather than bread crust ☝︎
BingoBoingo: The derps are derping about a piece of paper from this spring as though it is some alfajor like establihed part of the culture.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news, this Sunday is a pre-referendum on an October referendum to repeal the soon to be outgoing government's recent "lay trans"
BingoBoingo: Obama did contribute at the margins by ending production of the F-22 which is very similar to the F-35 except that the 22 was designed to succeed as a plane without compromises because plane has to be designed to accomodate derps that want to plane from helicopter carriers
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 15:51 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925819 << Gulf War and Tailhook though were the impetus for the F-35 "Joint Strike Fighter" with a window free from fearing foreign men, the old women were able to push through a "one true plane" that excels at nothing.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925801 << imho pretty straightforward case of two idjit children who couldn't agree to share a toy, pulling it apart until breaks.
BingoBoingo: Then there's russia going all in on the air defense missiles. It's not the truck with 4 launch tubes in the press photos the US dun like. It's that the S-400 is a group of trucks, 1/3 of which have the big tubes and which coordinate together for a substantial radar picket
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 08:55 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925770 << rather, led to perestroika, which did provide a breather (making the f19 possible, only time us shone in the air)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925819 << Gulf War and Tailhook though were the impetus for the F-35 "Joint Strike Fighter" with a window free from fearing foreign men, the old women were able to push through a "one true plane" that excels at nothing. ☝︎☟︎
feedbot: http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-a-question-about-concatenation-step-4/ << ave1 -- Lisp, a question about concatenation, step #4
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 08:38 mp_en_viaje: this obsoletes "stealth" technology, because you can lie to a few people all the time but not to all the people all the time. there's no way to scatter radiation so that none of ~uknown-position~ 1e5 radars sees it. and with modern telecom and computing, it's trivial to link these so any can detect scatter from any.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 08:38 mp_en_viaje: this means a race to the bottom, everyone who paid for stealth wants to get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 08:15 mp_en_viaje: fwiw, i've been re-reading the symbolics discussion, still just as fucking stumped on http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=now,%20why&e=they.#select as ever. a year passing has brought me no clarity.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925801 << imho pretty straightforward case of two idjit children who couldn't agree to share a toy, pulling it apart until breaks. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-28 16:43 mircea_popescu: shinohai it should perhaps be added that a decade ago, when romania was fresh in nato etc, there was a joint exercise, with romania being designated the bad guy because they flew migs.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925770 << rather, led to perestroika, which did provide a breather (making the f19 possible, only time us shone in the air) ☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: bitcoin, amusingly, supports just this ; is as much and as large a chunk as rocketry.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, like bourgeois of old paid to be in town, because have to upkeep walls, there's going to be "real man", who lives in rocket-defended perimeter ; and freeranged animal, outside. a trend already visible ~irrespective~ of the actual military evolution, described eg by mocky in quatar, by BingoBoingo in uruguay etc. walled compound is artefact of same cultural trend as here discussed ; and it arises prior to and independent
mp_en_viaje: usg-can-not-win-in-afghanistan will spell a "new era for peace" like the "japan can not defend homeland" spelled "new era for peace" : a different kind of peace ; one that involves the trade in recently captured 16yo precious cuntlets and all the fantastic stories of seafaring in the castle age.
mp_en_viaje: the integration trends, with "international order" and usg ngos "based on brain-kellog pact" bla bla will revert ; disintegration ("ghettoization" in butthurt fanfic) is the new trend ; this had been culturally visible for a while, but it took a sharp civilisational turn with this military development.
mp_en_viaje: this means a race to the bottom, everyone who paid for stealth wants to get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: this obsoletes "stealth" technology, because you can lie to a few people all the time but not to all the people all the time. there's no way to scatter radiation so that none of ~uknown-position~ 1e5 radars sees it. and with modern telecom and computing, it's trivial to link these so any can detect scatter from any. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: fwiw, i've been re-reading the symbolics discussion, still just as fucking stumped on http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=now,%20why&e=they.#select as ever. a year passing has brought me no clarity. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: isn't it "of fucking course" this is gonna cost way the fuck more than machining a flat surface out of silicon carbide ?
mp_en_viaje: if each of these produces a mb of data (and boy howdy, does it! for one thing... there's MULTIPLE radar bands, yes ? each of these scatters differently, because wavelength, and no, also not necessarily continuous function, because diffraction and other "unexpected" facepalms) ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: and it's a 3-d object, meaning it has 72 such planes going all around. each with 72 such points. so we're at 5k tracings, for ONE single shape, and on a generous presumption of "every 0.09 rads is fine".
mp_en_viaje: now look at it : a circle is 360 degrees, so you'll have to "look at" (ie, run the differentials, calculate scatter) the object 72 times. once every five degees.
mp_en_viaje: could take a shape and produce the functionals. that's not even here NOW, in spute of how fucking obviously the right thing it was cca 1989 ie 30 years ago -- all the
mp_en_viaje: suppose they give you the money to try this. but you DO know how to calculate observable scatter from point to surface, but... it's not exactly a continuous function (trivially, because your surface is not continuous, you're not flyin ga sphere, and so not integrable, and moreover, you absolutely lack the '''mathematical computer''' that
mp_en_viaje: now, evidently this is useless to multi-radar systems -- but as long as you manage to keep secret what you're doing, so the others don't know how important multi-radaer and passive radar systems are, they'll prplly continue on the mega-radar trend of the 70s (as they did in the 80s) and miss you. for a decade or so.
mp_en_viaje: let's just go through this for the sake of being clear and explicit. so, suppose you decided to build a "stealth" plane, meaning : you've found in the archvies of russki radio technologies a piece from the 60s detailing how flat surfaces will scatter radio signal AWAY from the source, and thus in encounters with a single radar, you can design a 10 ton, 100 cubic meter object that looks like a square centimeter piece of duppel, on
mp_en_viaje: f19 item is eminent point in case, ~nobody who saw it thought it could fly. because, objectively, damned thing can not fly, it's so unstable in all three planes it needs a computer just to stay afloat. which, of course, means it needs 4.