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mircea_popescu: yeah. for one thing i ran out of films ; and for the other as i said, i made a server, checking out what i got on it.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, two moon junction epic film. imagine, two years later, i go to read http://trilema.com/2016/two-moon-junction/#selection-49.33-53.89 see wtf i said, i discover i did EXACTLY same thing!
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure it's on the same line. modern folkx err through absence.
asciilifeform: modern folx err in the other dir
asciilifeform: eh this was back when chemists tasted their output
mircea_popescu: i don't as much as fuck girls without backup, stottin' had to handle radionuclide resonant chamber. gimme break.
mircea_popescu: nobody asks moron sysadmin to work with rm -y as default either
mircea_popescu: no dude, in the sense of could have backup on
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the sense of 'couldve looked for honest work!' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody asked him to fuck with be sphere with screwdriver
asciilifeform: at least in cement, the empirical fits in a constant. in meat work, it's a wall-sized (and necessarily incomplete) chart of bleargh.
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, asciilifeform later ended up returning to meat, for some yrs, but thats another story )
asciilifeform: ( re legend, i have nfi if true, iirc several countries claimed priority )
asciilifeform: the experience thoroughly cured asciilifeform of wanting anyffing to do with the field -- meat offers very little in the way of 'unifying theories'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re paracetamol << lulzily, asciilifeform's 1st paying jerb was in a lab where studied inflammatory cascades. and legend had it that in very same room paracetamol was (by entirely unrelated folx, long ago) 1st tested .
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:48 asciilifeform: 'aristotle: your postulates are just as circular!' 'asciilifeform: i made a working diode from things i dug up' 'aristotle: you just got lucky'
asciilifeform: to an 'aristotelian', i imagine even what passes for sane engineering, is repulsive, because of this.
asciilifeform: even (horror) the analogue end of FG.
asciilifeform: a good % of what goes into modern tech is derived in precisely this way.
asciilifeform: ( errybody makes fun of the d00d, even speak of 'darwin award', but there was not really alternative to what he was doing, the $maxint robotic manipulators were built ~later~, after corpses were cold )
asciilifeform: incidentally much noise was made re the elaborate calculations of early nukes, but good chunk of the design params ~also~ only were accessible empirically. hence the slotin incident. ☟︎
asciilifeform: simply that the answer contains constants that were derived empirically.
asciilifeform: PeterL: i dun think i ever once said 'not answerable', lol
PeterL: so the thing you want, would it replicate all of gpg functionality (making them compatible), or would a separate, simpler thing be good (just does encryp/decrypt and sign/verify using rsa)?
mircea_popescu: inexplicably enough, SIX months later that imminent need's still not burning my ass. nfi.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ave1 you should ; also read through the eucrypt thing, ima (for instance) need someone to package it into a cmd line gpg replacement as soon as next wek.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498 << btw, did you ever get that gpg replacement you were looking for? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well no, i'm sure it's there, just, i also don't currently know exactly how it works. though in my case could be for lack of caring, i haven't been doing any building in 15 years +
PeterL: sorry if I misunderstood, but it sounded like asciilifeform was saying that questions like this are not answerable by anybody
mircea_popescu: the bitch is -- they aren't able to answer all questions.
mircea_popescu: i agree, the people who study subjects should be able to answer questions in subjects.
PeterL: well, I am not materials science expert, but those who study the subject should be able to explain "if I add a bit more of $element, the properties of the material will go $direction"
mircea_popescu: otherwise yes, we've both noticed (and for a long time!) that sunsets and sunrises color the sky. took a WHILE to explain the fucking why.
mircea_popescu: "i have this inorganic polymerization model which permits me to predict the behaviour of calcium-based matrices and also predicts that should you replace the calcium with strontium, the oxigen content cvadruples ans there's need for an item extra in there that's just like aluminum for so and so reasons" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: can you somehow predict this'd be the end result ?
PeterL: biochemistry, mumble mumble, binding to receptors causing chain reaction cascade of molecular processes, er, sumthin
mircea_popescu: to take a practical tack : why is CaO matrix and SrAl2O4 matrix for strontium cement ?
mircea_popescu: consider the case of paracetamol. "it takes body to cooler end state". yes, it does. how ?
PeterL: process, you mean like how the oxygens migrate through the mixture?
asciilifeform: PeterL: i can describe in roughly similar terms what the molybdenum does in modern steel. but not why needs such-and-such % , for different machineabilities.
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes but this is the end state not the process
a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 16:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by the 'to your eyes' standard -- i dun think i own any artifacts that work to any other standard. even cement block -- we do not presently know precisely why cement hardens.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849239 << cement hardens by simple chemical reaction incorporating O2 and/or H2O into the CaO lattice, connecting particles to make inorganic superstructural polymer matrix ☝︎
asciilifeform: it was clealy enuff of an idea that there was pretty close match, militarily
mircea_popescu: seems enough of an idea to me, if need be.
mircea_popescu: yes, THE NAME very much http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055 ; but ~THE TITLE~ ?
mircea_popescu: the biathlonists who fail are not thereby horse jockeys.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense charles is deposed and mp is not deposed. does this change anything ?
asciilifeform: diff is that mircea_popescu has with what to make his objection stick; old man charles did not
mircea_popescu: derps wander in here all the time, "were's mp's mandate-from-the-people" ? seems it's enough of a divide to divide even today.
mircea_popescu: charles was of the idea that he has the authority to rule as a thing of his own ; the unitarians were of the idea that "supreme executive power exudes from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"
mircea_popescu: i don't get how the necessary situation whereby conflict will follow age gap somehow changes what the conflict is about.
asciilifeform: it verily doesn't, in this item
mircea_popescu: not like i'm saying it muyst fit ; or that i expect or i expect anyone expects history to be a neat didactic work for the benefit of future livers.
asciilifeform: dunno if this owl stretches over this given globe. what 'science' , what 'idea'. afaik was old-gentry vs new-money pissing match.
asciilifeform: dunno that charles v fits the shoe of 'idea king'
mircea_popescu: well, it was the royalist capital in the civil war.
asciilifeform: fair'nuff. tho i was hoping to turn up a neal-stephonson-esque ( he was rather fond of the idea, in his http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760798 ) scene where the logicians opened up on the unwashed ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well the fortification is where it is.
asciilifeform: that'd be the city, not the university per se, neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i turned up empty in search for occasion where oxford fired the cannons
mircea_popescu: and, of course, ultimately it all boils down to http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ : permitting temporal power to the "spiritual" maniacs is suicide.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 21:23 mircea_popescu: same way the same exact item opened cannon fire at the "taxpayers" from atop the walls of oxford.
mircea_popescu: also part and parcel of this conversation, http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738350 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this, and this only, is the way to prevent "tech becoming unrepeatable". it helps, of course, to have some tech in the first place ; but these are separate discussions -- fridge is how to preserve food, whether you have any food or not.
mircea_popescu: this is utter insanity. you don't need, or want, or ever seek "mom's" permission to fuck the daugther. not yours ; not hers ; at the slightest provocation it gets burned down, and the ashes dumped in cloaca maxima.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:05 mircea_popescu: and existence is predicated on intelligence, and mit never had one. it's just a humongous pile of printed dollars, the us-style equivalent of the chinese "sovereign funds".
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 23:02 phf: asciilifeform: true king is a later invention, actual process is "choose king amongst yourself", and failure to do so is stupidity
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:03 mircea_popescu: doing "the opposite" or "moving to garage", or anything, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER that in any way is biased by the mit is no go.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:01 mircea_popescu: mit says minksy must use the color green. minsky ignored. mit spent 500 politruk-hours to discern whether he even did what they said or not ; came up with either of these. minsky still ignored.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 22:56 mircea_popescu: out of mit's gear. NOT on mit's terms. use, you understand me ? use. like a thing.
mircea_popescu: the deep meaning of the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813358 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813371 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813377 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641162 discussion is exactly this : minds at the time INSANELY thought $object ( in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813383 sense ) is going to tell them WHO to have WHAT intercourse and HOW MUCH. ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: and fixed http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html issue ty
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the answer is exactly there, "avoid at all costs this situation where you're not fucking your close social circle"
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> the link http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html on yer www, appears dead
mircea_popescu: a ty
diana_coman: it's the bz vs biz thing
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu the link http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html on yer www, appears dead
asciilifeform: i.e. problem was not in 'shortage of component base', there.
asciilifeform: can't help but think of the roman bath in late-roman britain
asciilifeform: fwiw e.g. FUCKGOATS is repeatable, for so long as component base is available. ( and i include paper schematics & listing with it, for a reason..) but the direr problem is the shortage of literate operator who even knows wtf he is holding in hands
asciilifeform: generally i dun work with 'make technology that will survive fullbore apocalypse ~as technology~ (vs indiv artifacts) ' -- this is above asciilifeform's paygrade.
asciilifeform: possibly i am missing a subtler mircea_popescu subthread , but asciilifeform's orig puzzler was 'how to avoid making a bolix', if you will.
mircea_popescu: "but mp -- i am not equipped to try for myself!" "then this isn't a point of interest to you, is it. why'd you have an opinion on it ?" "because we're trying to build an Empire of Science!" "how's that working out ?" "so far, Republic of Idiots works."
mircea_popescu: that is, to reconstruct some kind of sybil cake. which is exactly the "ourdemocracy science" with all tis hatefax and toxictruths and whatnot. because once you give up the proper wot process for some mechanized ersatz you find yourself again in the primordial mist, unable to guess where the landmines are.
mircea_popescu: to then take this wot-process and try to mechanize it ("instead of going and trying by self as science ie http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ REQUIRES of me i shall simply say "was not replicated") is doomed to the same failure all wot-mechanization attempts are in principle doomed to
mircea_popescu: the point, however, is not the "replication" itself but what it points to : "go, try for yourself".
mircea_popescu: perhaps ' that "replication" is the schnelling'd-upon point of ~expression~ of literate heuristics is fine and dandy' requires some explanation. the correct wot-process ("what of x?" "a claims so but i have not found the same -- go, try for yourself") was contracted in "failed to replicate x".
mircea_popescu: it will be, in another generation or two maybe. today not yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so, it readily revives in selected young through simple exposure.
mircea_popescu: like the world of literate egyptian in http://trilema.com/2014/more-about-caesar-cyphers/#footnote_2_52126
mircea_popescu: all of it, really, all of it is going away. wikipedia is like a manuscript copy of olde books, that are being "referenced". the references ever dim, and soon enough the whole world of literate english will be but a dream
asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's silk hats thread
asciilifeform: hell, the killer airplane..
mircea_popescu: and... other things
mircea_popescu: and the killer micro.
mircea_popescu: no technology survives as such the end of the literate that borne it.
asciilifeform: which goes back to orig thread subj..
asciilifeform: i'll add that a tech that can only be operated by the literate -- is replicable , for so long as literate folx are.