asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's judgement, the retardation is pulled in ~by the protocol per se~ . but folx are welcome to try an' prove wrong.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hunchentoot is known to run on e.g. sbcl, ccl , where compiled.
asciilifeform: penalty (given similar algo) is approx same as ada's
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: cl (aside from egregiously retarded incarnations, e.g. gnu's) aint interpreted, lol
asciilifeform: imho if stuck with ugly piece of shit, would still rather have one w/out the nulltermstring, buf overrun, offbyone, etc. bugola. but i see mp_en_viaje's pt
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at one time in '17 asciilifeform tried hand at writing basic ada www server. ended up burning it all. because ended up looking quite like 'hunchentoot', and quite evidently 'water took the shape of the bottle', i.e. inescapably
asciilifeform: 'Note taken on <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2019-07-31 Wed 09:17] </span></span> <br /> <span style="background-color:#d3d3d3" id="select">Summary: By my estimate</span>, I have spent 6-8' << oughta display anywhere
asciilifeform pictures 'hybridization orbital' for rapper-designer etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol i have'em moar 'classically' modeled as simply 'beggar' energy level
asciilifeform: shrysr: indeed your select display seems to work
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i thought progression were more usually e.g. x -> y -> rapper -> p -> q -> beggar rather than x -> beggar -> y
asciilifeform: ( what does beggar do if 'not meet goal' ?? on street corner, he could walk to new corner. but what's the 'patreon' equiv ?? )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what does this mean , for beggar to have 'goal' ? maybe i'm thick, but i thought 'goal' was to fill the hat with as many coins as possible erry day ?
asciilifeform: if it's 1 of those lulzy 'faux crypto via js' things, costs having-to-login-from-js-browser neh.☟︎
asciilifeform of the 'get the cheapest astrologist' school of thought , on those occasions when must use email
asciilifeform: lol, does it come with acct on 'keybase' !?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also their pw reset mechanism is broken, i've been trying to log in & cancel acct for 3+ yrs nao (erry 6mo or so) and been to their india-powered 'support line' even. no dice.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: they send spam like it's 1999 lol
asciilifeform: the 'session' abstraction aint even cardboard , it is toilet paper. yes, i get it, ftp or irc box might want to represent a user as having a 'session' that might time out etc. but why give 9000 flaky (or malicious) routers between the user & server the ability to close the session whenever ~they~ feel like it ?
asciilifeform: ^ i.e. there are at least ~4~ successive impedance-mismatched layers of liquishit , if you count ~server~ (e.g. hunchentoot) . ~5~ if you count reader's browser !
asciilifeform: fuckers who designed the L3 shit and the ones who specced the L4 shit didn't add enough, here come the L7 idiots who, not being satisfied with a "file transfer protocol" decide to "support" file transfers over HTTP; and since files may be as large as, say, 1TB, then yes, splitting them into small chunks is very much preferable to sending the whole thing right away.'
asciilifeform: 'Now, as if this wasn't enough, TCP also has a (transport layer) segment size, which must fit into a so-called "Maximum Segment Size" (MSS), which must be smaller than the MTU, because we also need to fit lower-layer headers and all that. Otherwise TCP isn't concerned too much with this, but misconfiguration can cause problems with congestion windows and whatnot, and we sure as hell don't want this shit to blow up. Finally, as if the
asciilifeform: will reproduce bit of spyked's text for the log :
asciilifeform: as if the ludicrous cpu & bw waste of tcp weren't enuff, it also conveniently groups (with said grouping being entirely plaintext) 'sessions' for hitler to moar conveniently store & read.
asciilifeform: ever wonder why heathens still fascinated, like chukchas with radio found in taiga, with 'bittorrent' ? it's because warez goes at ~line rate~ over 'bittorrent'. and at maybe 2/3 line rate on http on a good weather day. why? cuz bt , despite authored by idiot, ~let go of tcpism~ !☟︎
asciilifeform: tcp was a 'gift' of profound retardation that 'keeps on giving', even to moar obvious extent than e.g. unix. it is single-handedly responsible for ~100% of the backbreaking complexicrud of apache, ssh, ftp, etc
asciilifeform: spyked: imho put link to this thread, is even better than pasting the 'comment'
asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want)☟︎
asciilifeform: then -- 'magically' -- no moar 'acceptors', 'streams', 'listeners', 'chunkings'...
asciilifeform: for yrs nao, asciilifeform thought, 'why the everliving fuck not serve page as a set of luby packets'
asciilifeform: 'acceptors', 'persistent connections', various streamisms, 'listeners', and other 'i can't believe it's not serialport!111' horros
asciilifeform: spyked: imho your 'hunchentoot' vivisection illustrates important point : just how much of the complexity of that thing is on acct of idjit tcpism's shit abstractions, i.e. the lengths to which it goes to pretend that the machines aint exchanging short packets in quasi-reliable ordering☟︎
asciilifeform: spyked: can pleeeez haz comments on your www ? ( at the risk of repeating mp_en_viaje's , srsly, 'no comment box' is quite discouraging in re reading)☝︎
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thinkin' moar re the 'monkeys' -- imho these were the folx continuing to build dec clones , crapples & other micros, and in the inevitable march to microshit hell. rather than the bolix/lmi folx. these, imho, did Right Thing. (even if ended by plugging embrasure with torso)
asciilifeform: '20cm' is moar or less sub at periscope depth neh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what even is the meaning of 'stealth ship' given satellite, cheap networked sonobuoys, etc ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: where, in your analysis, was the man, and where -- the monkey ?
asciilifeform: the 1 commercial variant that was defo nowhere near being on the table, was 'consumer'. when a MB of dram cost ~same as truck, there was no question that any such machine could be purchased by anyone other than large org. the only dispute could be re what kinda org sold to, and how.
asciilifeform: it is entirely unclear to asciilifeform what either 'oughta have done instead', other than 'go home to bottle'. whole affair walked on the very edge of the technological possibility of the time -- and arguably stepped right over the edge of what was commercially practical☟︎
asciilifeform: mushroom rms's narrative is , granted, nonsense, where 'bolix sold soul to devil, lmi -- not sold'. both sold to devil, 2 diff devils. lmi's gambit was 'we'll self-fund by hand-soldering machines to sell back to mit'
asciilifeform: ( from strictly archaeological pov -- noftsker's bolix, with borrowed moneys, lived ~decade longer than lmi, and produced substantially moar interesting & intact ruins, but this is perhaps orthogonal to the orig q )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925843 << must point out, this portrait is only visible in retrospect. the playing characters themselves were evidently quite convinced that they were fighting over a future mega-fortune, rather than bread crust☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925808 << on top of this : at some pt (if not already) the passive radar itself will fit inside cheap flying 'toy', of which there will be 'swarm' , rather than ye olde multi-kW sovok item on trucks etc.☝︎
asciilifeform: oddly enuff, the 'difficulty gets tested and found laugh' somehow didn't make ~any measurable diff in korea/vietnam (where sov iron flew circles around nato's -- yet somehow the chairmen an' boards of 'lockheed', 'grumman', etc. ~weren't~ shot, nor any detectable similar thing happened )
asciilifeform: afaik is questionable whether item had 'difficulty' in this sense to begin with☟︎
asciilifeform: tho possibly i get the implication in BingoBoingo's piece, where what utility the thing has, will be spent, 'pushing up difficulty'. but afaik this is entirely incidental to the process that produced the thing, and its predecessors/successors, process that has ~0 to do with utility, prospective or otherwise
asciilifeform: not unless it can teleport and fire death rays at 300 targets simult.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: diff is, 'btc miner asic' is -- conceptually -- a thing, that can exist. whereas jet that is somehow 'worth' cost of 300 'prospective opponent's' machines , aint a thing.
asciilifeform was actually mildly surprised that 'f35' resulted in something resembling a physical machine. fully expected that it would remain 'software' indefinitely.
asciilifeform: already (Officially!) ~90% of f35 costs in 'software' (ball of cpp...)☟︎
asciilifeform: only offers the illusion of being a finite number because of practical limits (denominator aint actually +infinity ; and numerator in practice is rarely 0 , occasionally 'wife' is bored and/or does some 'work' by sheer accident )
asciilifeform: i.e. 'price of f35' is same order of item as 'price' of an individual reluctant fuck from princesswife
asciilifeform: where the latter 'is to be paid 100% of yer money and in return will do as much or as little as feels like'
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje had a piece where illustrated this using 'whore vs. princess wife'☟︎
asciilifeform: often enuff (e.g ronnie raygun's 'star wars') there ain't even a physical toilet.
asciilifeform: imho actually a mistake to think of e.g. f35 as 'product' that 'has a price', as if it were toyota -- what instead is that the parasitic toad at any given time demands x %% of the printolade, and produces/pretends to produce certain # of golden toilets, and x / # is then 'price'☟︎
asciilifeform: via linked lulz, 'Haaretz.com is now inaccessible to visitors using ad blockers' << endemic nonsense, and only possible, afaik, on acct of 'ad blocker' writers taking payola from spammers
asciilifeform: 28MB of soundcardism (why separate from 'drivers' ?? ask linus...) ; 26MB of ~unreadable 'docs' ; 6M of firmware 'blobs' (recall when linus said 'no blobs' ??)
asciilifeform: e.g. 29MB of simply include .h crapola .
