asciilifeform: if your fluid's triple point is close to room temp, can do exotic, e.g. vapourize it and condence on a cold pin point

asciilifeform: ( the rest fall into trough, recycled )

asciilifeform: also must point out, there are other ways to make droplets. for instance, perfume atomizer will give wide spectrum of droplet sizes, and you can 'massspec' out the desired size.

asciilifeform: if you're using something less viscous than ink, can use different mechanism, kanzure

asciilifeform: naaah the mass spec i lived next to was only 500k or so

asciilifeform: if you can statically charge, just as good.

asciilifeform: no valves. 'best machine is no machine' (altschuller)

asciilifeform: make it conduct. then form the droplets magnetohydrodynamically.

asciilifeform: kanzure: yer fluid conducts or no ?

asciilifeform: i only ever did this by poration and soak'em

asciilifeform: ( what kanzure intends to throttle with the valve, surely has surface tension, and 100MHz prolly won't happen. unless it's liquid he or wat. )

asciilifeform: kanzure: if it's veeery small, use a saw resonator, there's your valve, 100Mhz easy

asciilifeform: i always thought it was to find the sun, which is how you find your way out of localminima^H^H^H^Henclosed spaces withnofood , in nature

asciilifeform: dun think so

asciilifeform: spectrum's all wrong, too, led is closer to ye olde crt tv than to blackbody

asciilifeform: if i can, moth with mm instead of cm nerve runs, surely can.

asciilifeform: just as asciilifeform can.

asciilifeform: and i suspect also -- can SEE the flicker from the electronic horrors

asciilifeform: they luvvv their blackbody ☟︎

asciilifeform: megapr0gr3ss.

asciilifeform: but remain usable, with headache, possibly 4evah

asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu would be delighted to learn that 'modern' envirotronic led bulbs typically never properly die, they just grow moar flickery and... orange, if you will

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: taken to the extreme, tho, this train would go to 'can't hang nobody at all, what if Great Artist Dies Inside'im'

asciilifeform: 'the poor dancer is hindered by own balls' or how it was.

asciilifeform: sounds like we both had same item to blame, lol

asciilifeform: i have a similar story, but from adulthood and with severl $k of parts that 'hey these all defective, thefuq' and at the end an overvolted ps that had nuked'em all one by one by one..

asciilifeform: aw

asciilifeform can feel the bulb in his fingers even nao

asciilifeform: oohyeah

asciilifeform: lolno do tell

asciilifeform: whore dun go around presenting selves as independent operators who 'spent 27 million, you maggot!' etc

asciilifeform: telephrenology lol

asciilifeform: some folx are open an' shut cases, wat.

asciilifeform: would load config from a cf card, and little round knob for setting which of 8 .bit files it'd use on boot

asciilifeform: i had a xilinx board (shaped like pc mobo, with pci even ) that had this feature

asciilifeform: sorta like bios on certain high end pc mobos.

asciilifeform: ideally box will write own config rom. ( have a bank of'em , with mechanical selector, for when you make mistake )

asciilifeform: and not before.

asciilifeform: THEN can throw out pc.

asciilifeform: ( eventually the synthesis must run on ITSELF )

asciilifeform: spyked: once satisfied that the thing can support adult work.

asciilifeform: spyked: that's the plan.

asciilifeform: lego toy got 'xilinxized' in early 2000s

asciilifeform saw this

asciilifeform: aah yes phf

asciilifeform: spyked: anyway if you search the log you can see how to make it build on gcc.

asciilifeform: ( this is at least theoretically fixable )

asciilifeform: bad enough that the thing seems to insist on python3.

asciilifeform: it is an evil and i will not work dependency on it into my conveyor.

asciilifeform: spyked: aaaah see, i don't permit clang on my boxes

asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: spyked: it does not seem to be disastrously bad, surprisingly. but i have yet to try it with a large design. ( also helps that the chip is small, a truly elephantine circuit will never be entered )

asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707976 . ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'ice' -- is homogeneous.

asciilifeform: i.e. they are nonhomogeneous.

asciilifeform: ( and are the reason why xilinx has not been satisfactorily reversed a la ice, and not likely to be before going out of print )

asciilifeform: and these end up used to reduce pressure on the LUTs

asciilifeform: large xilinx chips also have 'hard' periphs inside, e.g. multers, adders, shifters, various ☟︎

asciilifeform: for added excitement in life, each also has different routing fabric

asciilifeform: ( this is a rough measure, because not all LUTs are created equal, naturally, xilinx has somewhat different ones in the cpld series vs 'spartans', and lattice has yet different, and altera -- yet different, etc )

asciilifeform: FG for instance used 71 out of 72

asciilifeform: you can use this to estimate whether the thing will fit in particular pld

asciilifeform: ( xilinx toolchain shits out this figure in the report )

asciilifeform: phf: out of curiosity, what was the LUT % utilization when you built ?

asciilifeform: ( though last i saw it was a straight conversion from the ttl schematic, and not especially compact, might need one of the larger chips )

asciilifeform: phf: if you're content to test parker's cadr, your existing xilinx board oughta do the job

asciilifeform: ( though i currently suspect that something in the spirit of scheme-79 could fit in no more than 2 -- 1 for the alu and 1 for memory control/gc )

asciilifeform: ( connect as a hypercube, or on a crossbar, or whichever. )

asciilifeform: let's say 32 of'em.

asciilifeform: phf: first thing i'd put on ab-initio ice board is... moar ices.

asciilifeform: up to perhaps 10MHz

asciilifeform: will work ok for, e.g., sd card, or breadboard.

asciilifeform: phf: to be fair, the olimex boards have an expansion plug. but you can't put , e.g., dram, on there, toomuch capacitance.

asciilifeform: ( see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701866 . ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707941 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: folx who are willing to use lattice's closed shitdevchain buy the larger parts, where the dev boards are comparable to xilinx.

asciilifeform: because the part is considered 'too small'

asciilifeform: then we proceed to the dev boards. nobody makes an ice dev board with dram on it; or with flash other than the config rom; or with sram bigger than 512k. currently.

asciilifeform: but smaller than all but the smallest xilinx 'spartan' parts.

asciilifeform: roughly same as 100 of the xl9572 used in FUCKGOATS.

asciilifeform: 7680 LUTs.

asciilifeform: biggest ice part is the ICE40HX8K ☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: let's start with the gate count ☟︎

asciilifeform: where , you know, you gotta devote an entire comp to running a 20GB closed warez, and it does ?????.

asciilifeform: the problem is that it's xilinx.

asciilifeform: i have multi-$k ones here

asciilifeform: you can get ANYTHING you want on a xilinx board, phf

asciilifeform: phf: that looks like a xilinx

asciilifeform: try it and see. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the tricky bit is the toolchain .

asciilifeform: np spyked

asciilifeform: pgm1

asciilifeform: ( scroll up for pinout of the prog connector )

asciilifeform: spyked: https://www.olimex.com/wiki/ICE40HX1K-EVB#Get_started_under_Linux << their doc

asciilifeform: ( 'buspirate', or whateverthehellduino with olimex's supplied proggy, and a few others, will work )

asciilifeform: otherwise you need something that can write to the spi rom, via the given header

asciilifeform: there are jtag pins but they are unpopulated, and you'll have to tweezer a resistor off to get the thing to use the ice's internal eeprom instead of the external 2Mb spi rom, if you want to use those